Discussion What's the most you can share with a doctor, without getting committed to a psych ward?

[Moby]

Wondering how open I can be about plans or lack thereof, without risking getting committed back into psych ward.

 

[Yomyom]

What are you trying to get from a talk with the doctor?
He won't help you can, and if he'll have a suspicious that your going to kill yourself he will call the police.

If your trying to get better, I'm not see in psych ward a bad thing...

 

[Xebsora29]

Best thing to share with a doctor would how you're feeling, emotion wise. If you're trying to avoid shrinks and facilities, its best not to tell them your plans. They put you on a high alert, and chances of you being placed in psych ward is probable. Hope you're feeling well. Dm if you need anything.

 

[Tomm58]

I personally thought that the next time they ask me how I'm feeling or if I'm going to kill myself is... I'm fine. Not thinking of killing myself anytime soon.

Then follow with: But in a hypothetical situation, if one was suicidal and Blah.... Blah.... etc, what would the doctor do or prescribe to set patient??

The reason is is because I don't trust anyone anymore. What I mean by that is, people will try to interfere with your plans. I have a kick ass sending off week planned so if someone chucked me in a mental hospital, I'm screwed. They actually did that for a day, it was scary and torturous.If you already have plans set in motion, then don't spill the beans and mess up your most private of private moments.

You have been warned my friend. Good luck

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

In the States, admitting to having a plan or being actively suicidal is cause for commitment.

 

[ThisIsIt]

I'd be as open as you want to be.

Maybe, it wouldn't be in your best interest to say, "I've got 100 morphine pills, and I'm planning on taking them tonight at midnight! You can stop me fucker!" and then proceed to run out of the office.

But, if you decide to open up to your therapist about your suicidal thoughts, and they ask if you have a plan, it wouldn't hurt to tell them, "Yeah, I've been researching this for years. I'm almost preoccupied with it. I've got like 5 good ones."

If they chuck you in the psych ward for simply saying that, find another therapist that you can actually talk to about what's really going on.

 

[muffin222]

"I have suicidal thoughts sometimes, but I would NEVER actually do anything"

With extra emphasis on the "never"

That's worked for me in the past

 

[Notwinnernotawin]

When I tried I said I wasn't a suicidal person, that I was just going through a really bad phase. It worked, we never talked about the matter again. But the doctor said that she'd take the matter outside if I intended to hurt me or others. So the trick is to not talk about it, and if you do, act as if you would never hurt yourself.

 

[Erase.myself]

Im in psych hospital as I type due to telling my therapist at my Eating Disorder Program my suicide plan. I highly suggest not doing that, unless you are seeking help. Personally I was not seeking help; I just have hard time keeping feelings to myself and I started bawling and broke the fuck down. Now I'm getting kicked out of my PHP eating disorder treatment and sent back to residential which I can't afford so I'm probably gonna be homeless. Wow. Sorry I hijacked your post OP.

Moral of my rant: don't . Just don't say anything if you plan to follow through with ctb. You can tell them you've had suicidal ideation but NO plan. Then they won't toss you in psych. I've been in and out of psych several times so unfortunately I know how the system works.

 

[ThisIsIt]

Im in psych hospital as I type due to telling my therapist at my Eating Disorder Program my suicide plan. I highly suggest not doing that, unless you are seeking help. Personally I was not seeking help; I just have hard time keeping feelings to myself and I started bawling and broke the fuck down. Now I'm getting kicked out of my PHP eating disorder treatment and sent back to residential which I can't afford so I'm probably gonna be homeless. Wow. Sorry I hijacked your post OP.

Moral of my rant: don't . Just don't say anything if you plan to follow through with ctb. You can tell them you've had suicidal ideation but NO plan. Then they won't toss you in psych. I've been in and out of psych several times so unfortunately I know how the system works.

I'm really sorry to hear that. That sounds terrible. Life can be really shitty sometimes.

 

[xBrialesana]

This is why I'm so grateful for every wonderful person here. There's nowhere else where I can freely express my feelings and get the help I need without fear. It's wonderful. I love y'all.

 

[darkhorse256]

I'm not sure. I told my shrink (while I still had hope) that I wanted to die and he just said something along the lines of "aww, don't say that. Here's X drug that should help your mood" (spoiler alert, the drug didn't work). I told my psychologist the same thing, because I wanted help so badly, and all she did was to try and convince me that life was worth living. Saying I was going to CTB never was enough to get me admitted, probably because no one cares about mental illness in my country. In other countries, I'm fairly certain it would be a red flag.

 

[idontevenknowanymore]

Depends on where you live. Here in Germany, once you're 18, no one can force you to go to a psych ward. It's your choice. They can't call the police on you or anything. My therapist just always wants to assure me that he'll see me the next week or that I'll call the ambulance if I wanna ctb, I just always say yes even tho I'm never sure

 

[GoBack]

I'm just careful not to say I'm suicidal if talking to a psych. It's a mess here anyway. If I make an attempt and get caught I just spend a day an the ER and get sent home anyway. Or spend a week inside with no help and get sent home. My family makes me suicidal but they have all the say in what happens to me Because I'm suicidal. It's so fucked up.

With a housing crisis here and now the virus it's hopeless trying to get away from them

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Depends on where you live. Here in Germany, once you're 18, no one can force you to go to a psych ward.

True. I'm also in Germany and I told to a doctor and 2 psychologists about having suicidal thoughts or having informed myself on how to do it. They only gave advices but nothing more.
I hoped that I would have received a better medical attention and treatment for the pain I'm experiencing, but nothing changed. They keep not taking me seriously.

 

[idontevenknowanymore]

True. I'm also in Germany and I told to a doctor and 2 psychologists about having suicidal thoughts or having informed myself on how to do it. They only gave advices but nothing more.
I hoped that I would have received a better medical attention and treatment for the pain I'm experiencing, but nothing changed. They keep not taking me seriously.

I know exactly how you feel. It's been the same for me for years now.

 

[Halnas]

Here in Germany, once you're 18, no one can force you to go to a psych ward. It's your choice.

That's just not true. Of course they will if they think that you will actually commit suicide:

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But being suicidal alone isn't a reason for getting forcefully put into the psych ward. It's in no country that i know about. If they don't think that you will actually do it, you can talk as much as you want. And seeing that you are still here, they did act accordingly.

 

[disconnection]

In the UK it seems you have to have actually attempted to go onto a ward. And even then they don't seem to keep suicidal people for very long. They save long stays for people experiencing psychosis mainly.

 

[idontevenknowanymore]

That's just not true. Of course they will if they think that you will actually commit suicide:

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But being suicidal alone isn't a reason for getting forcefully put into the psych ward. It's in no country that i know about. If they don't think that you will actually do it, you can talk as much as you want. And seeing that you are still here, they did act accordingly.

Good to know, thanks for the info.
And no, my therapist didn't do shit against me being suicidal and planning ctb. I'm still here bc I don't wanna leave my boyfriend alone in this hell on earth.

 

[mittensxx]

I'm from Ireland and my counsellor told me the first time we met that the only time he would have to report me is:
1) If someone is physically/sexually abusing me or
2) I have a clear plan to CTB and would know how&when I was going to do it (so when I would be in immediate danger)

I told him about getting SN and that I would be planning to use it in the next few months (that was back in January). But just based on that information he wasn't able to report me. And talking about how I was feeling at the time actually helped me. I cried for the first time in therapy and actually felt better for a few months (well that didn't last long but at least I know it's possible to get help when I'm honest).

not sure if this helps anybody but if you're lucky enough to have an amazing & supportive therapist then I think it's worth telling them (my therapist tried to ctb 10 years ago so he really knows how to see things from my perspective).

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

That's just not true. Of course they will if they think that you will actually commit suicide:

yes, I assumed that it depends from doctor to doctor. Since having a forced hospitalization would have an impact on the private life of the patient, some doctors might be more tolerant than others and they don't send an alarm at the first sign. I was quite desperate those times when I broke down to tears in front of them, but it's wise not to disclose too much. I would not like that they could keep an eye on me and limit what I can buy.

 

[BPD Barbie]

From experience it depends on the doctor. Mine knew everything, my date, my plan etc, but we had a mutual understanding that I wouldn't be admitted. I was very lucky with my doctor. It depends what you're trying to get from them, if you want help and want to get better then being honest and open is the best policy and will get you the required help. But hiding things from them will mean they can't fully help you as they don't fully understand what's going on.

 

[Quarky00]

What's the most you can share with a doctor, without getting committed?

Chlamydia




* Bad Quarky! Bad bad Quarky ...

 

[Halnas]

Since having a forced hospitalization would have an impact on the private life of the patient, some doctors might be more tolerant than others

True, i think most experienced doctors just know that a psych ward doesn't really help you. The social stigma of getting forced into one alone is a huge issue that doesn't make your situation any better.

 

[willitpass]

i've shared with some that i want to self harm and they send me to the er, some i've told i have a plan on how to die and they let me go home. if you have never been to the hospital, i would say a short stay could either be harmful or it could really be a turning point in your life. if you have already been to one, well then you know how it will be for you personally. i think it you want to get the most out of your therapy and you truly want to get better you have to just be transparent. hiding things will only weigh you down and slow down your recovery and maybe even send you to a worse place. i've lived that dream and sometimes still live it and it isn't worth it.

 

[toomuchtimetodie]

It's actually a lot harder than you think to get admitted (in the UK) from my experience.
The assessors have a check list of which certain responses/symptoms will be examined and numbered.
Somebody going through terrible emotional pain, mental illness will say(or not say) a variety of things, likely being more positive than they are.
Where as people playing the system know exactly what to say to be labelled high risk on assesment, these people include: Criminals wanting more lenient sentencing or often spend time hospitalised rather than in prison.
People willing to spend a couple of weeks to reap disability benefits.
People who just enjoy the hospital environment.
Intelligent homeless.
Nonses looking to take advantage of mentally ill people.

It really is disgusting how so much resources are put into people who don't need to be in, from my experiences at least a quarter had their full wits... and oh how clever they thought they were some even admitting they were playing it.
Why a hell of a lot of people suffer because they haven't ticked certain boxes on a stupid standard exam.
These people who could've been helped go on to suffer more in silence, CTB, turn to self destructive behaviours, get preyed upon by bullies, or commit murder because they ARE very ill.