What type of Nitrogen gas should you use?

[Athina_99]

This has gotten very overwhelming and confusing.
What are the types of Nitrogen gas one should be using to CTB?
I was industrial grade compressed nitrogen. I see posts of N and N2. I see posts for food grade Nitrogen.
Who sells what and how easy are they to access? Am in Canada. What do people use? I am distraught as apparently regulator I have apparently won't work as not strong enough even though 4 others have used to CTB as per Final Exit book. Flow not strong enough and advised of flowmeter. I am at a loss and all this technical numbers and stuff is confusing. Am in Canada. Don't know where to buy what. I am very sick but not terminal have no one and bedridden in excruciating pain. Would need to hire help. Already spent so much money and now don't know what is what as cognitively impaired. Can anyone help me?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

An "N" alone used on this forum is Nembutal, a barbiturate used for euthanasia. N2 is shorthand for nitrogen. Pure nitrogen is what you want. Not sure what you mean by your regulator is not "strong" enough. You need a regulator made for nitrogen gas. If you use one made for a different gas, you *may* have to do some math calculations to correlate the scale on the regulator to the nitrogen. You'll also need either a mask or hood, too, along with fittings and tubing. This is all just basics. It's necessary to get into much more specifics to put together what you need. How would you get a nitrogen tank as they're not normally shipped?

 

[Athina_99]

An "N" alone used on this forum is Nembutal, a barbiturate used for euthanasia. N2 is shorthand for nitrogen. Pure nitrogen is what you want. Not sure what you mean by your regulator is not "strong" enough. You need a regulator made for nitrogen gas. If you use one made for a different gas, you *may* have to do some math calculations to correlate the scale on the regulator to the nitrogen. You'll also need either a mask or hood, too, along with fittings and tubing. This is all just basics. It's necessary to get into much more specifics to put together what you need. How would you get a nitrogen tank as they're not normally shipped?

Thank you for clarification. How does one even get Nembutal? Canada useless. How does one know if the industrial grade compressed grade nitrogen is pure if the welding shop doesn't tell you? I was advised of the regulator below from a Nitrogen exit private group they used. Along with attached adapter for hose. Had hard time finding and getting them to Canada. Everyone on group American. They had no problem with the regulator but was advised by user on here that it was too low in flow. Also welders filled 20cc tank to 1500psi. Asked why not at least 2000 as that is what the gauge showed was full. Gauge goes to 3000psi. Flow goes up to 60cfh. People who used this one to Exit said put flow on 30 and it was quite strong and fast. When I tested it barely was flowing. I got a tasker an errand person to go pick up first tank. I don't know what to do. There are 55 cf tanks. Do they have valve caps that are difficult to open even if could get one? Have severe neuropathy and deteriorated very quickly and still am before found out about Nitrogen. I am bedbound and can't leave house. I have little options.

 

[outrider567]

This has gotten very overwhelming and confusing.
What are the types of Nitrogen gas one should be using to CTB?
I was industrial grade compressed nitrogen. I see posts of N and N2. I see posts for food grade Nitrogen.
Who sells what and how easy are they to access? Am in Canada. What do people use? I am distraught as apparently regulator I have apparently won't work as not strong enough even though 4 others have used to CTB as per Final Exit book. Flow not strong enough and advised of flowmeter. I am at a loss and all this technical numbers and stuff is confusing. Am in Canada. Don't know where to buy what. I am very sick but not terminal have no one and bedridden in excruciating pain. Would need to hire help. Already spent so much money and now don't know what is what as cognitively impaired. Can anyone help me?

Nitrogen should be 99.0% or higher--Ask the manufacturer what percentage Nitrogen they have in their filled tanks

 

[Athina_99]

Nitrogen should be 99.0% or higher--Ask the manufacturer what percentage Nitrogen they have in their filled tanks

What if it's not and they don't know?

 

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Thank you for clarification. How does one even get Nembutal? Canada useless. How does one know if the industrial grade compressed grade nitrogen is pure if the welding shop doesn't tell you? I was advised of the regulator below from a Nitrogen exit private group they used. Along with attached adapter for hose. Had hard time finding and getting them to Canada. Everyone on group American. They had no problem with the regulator but was advised by user on here that it was too low in flow. Also welders filled 20cc tank to 1500psi. Asked why not at least 2000 as that is what the gauge showed was full. Gauge goes to 3000psi. Flow goes up to 60cfh. People who used this one to Exit said put flow on 30 and it was quite strong and fast. When I tested it barely was flowing. I got a tasker an errand person to go pick up first tank. I don't know what to do. There are 55 cf tanks. Do they have valve caps that are difficult to open even if could get one? Have severe neuropathy and deteriorated very quickly and still am before found out about Nitrogen. I am bedbound and can't leave house. I have little options.

Well, probably best to forget about the Nembutal. Sources once around are gone. Really only way is to go on a trek to S. America countries and get very lucky.

You tell the gas supplier you need pure nitrogen. They have to tell you. Plenty of industries need/use high purity nitrogen for their processes.

Evidently, that's a CO2/argon setup you have. I'm not sure how differently the nitrogen would flow through it. Is that the regulator setup they used with nitrogen, or were they using argon? Yeah, you can get about any size tank you want, but it has to be hauled and brought into your house. Getting a working setup is definitely work, even with help. All tanks have a valve handle you turn to release the gas.

I'm US, but have heard of MAID in Canada. Is that not an option for you?


I understand it may be difficult for you to do, but have you looked through the inert gas megathread? Lots of info in there.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

 

[tpboy]

yes you are in a country that has the most liberal death with dignity program in the world. all you have to do is call and they will help you. it will be n at home by iv. you cant beat that. no way no how. it does not cost anything if you are a citizen.

Medical assistance in dying: Overview - Canada.ca

What medical assistance in dying is, who is eligible, how to make a request, the process, and who can provide medical assistance in dying.

www.canada.ca

 

[Athina_99]

Unfortunately it is not as simple as you think it to be. MAID may be available to people suffering from grievous and irremediable illnesses after expending all avenues and health testing, however for people who have rare and undiagnosed illnesses and are disbelieved and incorrectly diagnosed under mental health act, because doctors don't know shit, it's not happening. A person with dementia or Alzheimer's and many other illnesses cannot get MAID. Though MAID is free here in Canada, it is one of the most difficult and grueling and long processes to even qualify for if one is lucky. If it was so easy to get MAID many that I know suffering from grievous and irremediable illnesses would have been long gone by now. Do not believe the sensationalism of the internet. I would not be here looking for a way out of my suffering. Since my bloodwork is normal in Western medicine per se, that does not mean I am not suffering from rare chronic illness. If a doctor and psychiatrist does not approve you or deem a person fit, it's not happening. Come to Canada and give it a try. You'll see. Other countries are less strict than Canada. Watch this:

 

[outrider567]

What if it's not and they don't know?

In the US, by law, companies are not allowed to sell filled Nitrogen Tanks below 99.0%--I'm sure its the same in Canada--and believe me, the company knows what percentage they are selling you, talk to them on the phone

 

[Athina_99]

Even a small welding shop? The person I spoke to could not give me an answer.

Well, probably best to forget about the Nembutal. Sources once around are gone. Really only way is to go on a trek to S. America countries and get very lucky.

You tell the gas supplier you need pure nitrogen. They have to tell you. Plenty of industries need/use high purity nitrogen for their processes.

Evidently, that's a CO2/argon setup you have. I'm not sure how differently the nitrogen would flow through it. Is that the regulator setup they used with nitrogen, or were they using argon? Yeah, you can get about any size tank you want, but it has to be hauled and brought into your house. Getting a working setup is definitely work, even with help. All tanks have a valve handle you turn to release the gas.

I'm US, but have heard of MAID in Canada. Is that not an option for you?


I understand it may be difficult for you to do, but have you looked through the inert gas megathread? Lots of info in there.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

Was never contemplating Nembutal as impossible to access. I thought N and N2 stood for two types of Nitrogen gas like industrial or food grade or medical and such.
The regulator I have posted is one that previous nitrogen exiters used to CTB in the US and none of them bad issues with the flow pressure.
I have looked through the inert gas megathread and have gotten more overwhelmed and confused and anxious. I don't understand much of the technology and calculations and how these regulators and flowmeters work and conversions..Instructions and equipment to purchase of what to buy was straightforward. Am also looking at all the CTB set ups for editing with chairs and ties and straps and all that and I don't have that stuff or can I get it. I would be lucky to afford another tank but have no idea if I don't know what regulator if this one doesn't work. Purchasing all new things I haven't s clue and buying what I did from the US was next to impossible to begin with as Final Exit suggestions are all US items that don't ship here. Also, they are next to impossible to return even through Amazon to get money back. If I were to get another tank at 55cf that is over $400 alone. If need to get a different regulator with flowmeter which don't understand and get new connections and hide and such it's all so expensive and overwhelming and am really sick. Also paying someone to pick up for me is not cheap and not easy. At this point am truly lost and confused and not at all functional as illness progressing fast.
My friend took her life a month ago. She used the simple Nitrogen set up which worked for her no problem from what I heard. From what I know apparently she sat on sofa, bag on head, turned on tank and regulator to 30 and was quiet in 15 seconds. On here I am reading all issues and complexities of it all and stuff that could go wrong.
MAID is not an option for me as I have rare undiagnosed illnesses. Canada sucks when it comes to having the knowledge and testing. Also illness is not easy to diagnose. As I told another user MAID unfortunately is not as simple as people think it to be and get. MAID may be available to people suffering from grievous and irremediable illnesses after expending all avenues and health testing, however for people who have rare and undiagnosed illnesses and are disbelieved and incorrectly diagnosed under mental health act, because doctors don't know shit, it's not happening. A person with dementia or Alzheimer's and many other illnesses cannot get MAID. Though MAID is free here in Canada, it is one of the most difficult and grueling and long processes to even qualify for if one is lucky. If it was so easy to get MAID many that I know suffering from grievous and irremediable illnesses would have been long gone by now. Do not believe the sensationalism of the internet. I would not be here looking for a way out of my suffering. Since my bloodwork is normal in Western medicine per se, that does not mean I am not suffering from rare chronic illness. If a doctor and psychiatrist does not approve you or deem a person fit, it's not happening. Come to Canada and give it a try. You'll see. Other countries are less strict than Canada.

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