What is the Shelf Life of Heroin - REALLY! -Everyone says something different!

[Razor's Edge]

I have read the thread supposedly about this subject, and also on the internet, but only a couple of people actually replied, but with different answers.
I have heard this a painless way to CTB, and I have the means to get it now, but I can't CTB till May. Would it still keep it's potency after that long?
Please Help! I can't afford for Anything to go wrong!

 

[passenger27]

I've read you could put it in the refrigerator and it'll keep longer but don't take my word as the gospel, because I've wondered this myself and never got a straight answer either.

 

[Sensei]

I don't know if this is of any help. Diamorphine is medical heroin and obviously not the same thing as street heroin, but the figure can perhaps serve as an indication.

6.3 Shelf life

3 years.
From a microbiological point of view, the product should be used immediately. If not used immediately, in-use storage times and conditions prior to use are the responsibility of the user and would normally not be longer than 24 hours at 2 – 8 °C, unless reconstitution/dilution (etc.) has taken place in controlled and validated aseptic conditions.

6.4 Special precautions for storage

Store below 25°C. Protect from light.
Keep container in the outer carton.
For storage conditions of the reconstituted medicinal product, see section 6.3.

Source

 

[Razor's Edge]

I don't know if this is of any help. Diamorphine is medical heroin and obviously not the same thing as street heroin, but the figure can perhaps serve as an indication.



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Thank you so much for your response. However, I must say that I am somewhat confused. So, for Powdered H, off the street, I know it is not the same as Diamorphine though, but how long would the shelf life be of the powder? I saw the 3years, and then it said something about 24hrs. I don't mean to sound so ignorant. I have never done this before , but I've heard it is a painless way to CTB.

 

[Farmmaa]

In powder form, H is very stable if stored properly.
Just like any powder, store it in a dry, clean, cool environment and there's no reason for it not to be fine for months or even years.

24 hours could have been black tar H that has already been cooked and mixed.

 

[Razor's Edge]

Thank you so much for sharing all of your information with me. It will be very helpful, I am sure.

Question: Do you know anything about different methods? Like plugging for instance?

 

[passenger27]

Plugging would be my method too. I've never done H, but I can probably get my hands on 4 or so grams of street stuff, and putting all that up anally would seem like the easiest way to administer it.

Even if I knew how to do the IV method there's no way I could hit a vein because my hands shake so bad. From nerves, not drugs. I have high anxiety to the extreme.

I don't think you could snort it like Tony Montana snorted his coke on Scarface because your nose would get too clogged, you'd pass out before you CTB, or both.

I dunno. Plugging seems best to me, just my 2 cents for free.

Another quick thing about storing H: I take a lot of medication and one day I looked at a bottle and thought it'd be a great storage container for H since it needs to be out of sunlight. Tbh I'm not sure about refrigeration, maybe @Farmmaa knows?

 

[dioxide]

Thank you so much for your response. However, I must say that I am somewhat confused. So, for Powdered H, off the street, I know it is not the same as Diamorphine though, but how long would the shelf life be of the powder? I saw the 3years, and then it said something about 24hrs. I don't mean to sound so ignorant. I have never done this before , but I've heard it is a painless way to CTB.

It is not painless, OD by H, lead to heavy seizure, incredible muscolar spasm, strong puke, auto suffocation with tongue and if restored, heavy brain and neuro damage occurs.

I didnt see in person but I've seen in documentaries.

Morphine is more indicate for painless CTB.

 

[Razor's Edge]

Thank you so much for responding to my questions. It is nice to know I am Not alone in this method idea.

I wish I knew EXACTLY how much H you REALLY need to CTB though...especially if you are combining it with other substances too. I was thinking benzos and some Good alcohol. I would hate to have the wrong amount. This is of Most importance!

 

[passenger27]

It is not painless, OD by H, lead to heavy seizure, incredible muscolar spasm, strong puke, auto suffocation with tongue and if restored, heavy brain and neuro damage occurs.

I didnt see in person but I've seen in documentaries.

Morphine is more indicate for painless CTB.

Doesn't H turn into Morphine once it's in your bloodstream? I think I read that somewhere. It's hard to say, I see so many different things on the internet it confuses the hell out of me.

 

[Razor's Edge]

It is not painless, OD by H, lead to heavy seizure, incredible muscolar spasm, strong puke, auto suffocation with tongue and if restored, heavy brain and neuro damage occurs.

I didnt see in person but I've seen in documentaries.

Morphine is more indicate for painless CTB.

Thank you for your response

I SO HOPE that you are Wrong!, Since I am combining it with other substances too! I was thinking : first Meto, then about 6 bottles of benzos and some Good alcohol. Hopefully combined it May not be So Bad.

Also, I was under the impression that as soon as H enters the body it Becomes morphine.

Doesn't H turn into Morphine once it's in your bloodstream? I think I read that somewhere. It's hard to say, I see so many different things on the internet it confuses the hell out of me.

That's Hilarious! Because That's Exactly what I was asking!

 

[passenger27]

Thank you for your response

I SO HOPE that you are Wrong!, Since I am combining it with other substances too! I was thinking : first Meto, then about 6 bottles of benzos and some Good alcohol. Hopefully combined it May not be So Bad.

Also, I was under the impression that as soon as H enters the body it Becomes morphine.


That's Hilarious! Because That's Exactly what I was asking!

The blind leading the blind.

 

[dioxide]

Doesn't H turn into Morphine once it's in your bloodstream? I think I read that somewhere. It's hard to say, I see so many different things on the internet it confuses the hell out of me.

Sure but the substance itself have a very different modulation that makes the difference on the neurological system, mostly opposite.. the H turn ON the NS, the Morphine turns OFF, and that's quite important for someone trying to CTB, instead of getting recreative effect or to get high.

Morphine and heroin differentially modulate in vivo hippocampal LTP in opiate-dependent rat - PubMed

Addictive drugs have been shown to severely influence many neuronal functions, which are considered as the underlying mechanisms for physiological and psychological dependences. We previously showed that in vivo LTP in rat hippocampal CA1 region is significantly reduced during withdrawal...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[k75]

It is not painless, OD by H, lead to heavy seizure, incredible muscolar spasm, strong puke, auto suffocation with tongue and if restored, heavy brain and neuro damage occurs.

I didnt see in person but I've seen in documentaries.

Morphine is more indicate for painless CTB.

Only it is painless because you aren't conscious for all that nasty stuff.

 

[passenger27]

Sure but the substance itself have a very different modulation that makes the difference on the neurological system, mostly opposite.. the H turn ON the NS, the Morphine turns OFF, and that's quite important for someone trying to CTB, instead of getting recreative effect or to get high.

Morphine and heroin differentially modulate in vivo hippocampal LTP in opiate-dependent rat - PubMed

Addictive drugs have been shown to severely influence many neuronal functions, which are considered as the underlying mechanisms for physiological and psychological dependences. We previously showed that in vivo LTP in rat hippocampal CA1 region is significantly reduced during withdrawal...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks for letting me know all that, it's very interesting. Definitely something to think about for sure.

 

[dioxide]

Only it is painless because you aren't conscious for all that nasty stuff.

Nope. Morphine tend to shut down the neurological system, so you get k.o. and the nasty stuff doesnt even reach the brain.

H instead, tend to turn on and to modulate it, keeping it active for strong feelings and at the same time, shutting down part of pain receptors.

H and M, are same molecule, but the difference of concentration and releasing time, make a strong difference how it acts on the neurological system.

 

[Razor's Edge]

Only it is painless because you aren't conscious for all that nasty stuff.

Thank you for your response.

That's Really ALL I care about! CTB with as Easy of a Transition to Whatever is Next, and be Comfortably Numb!

Nope. Morphine tend to shut down the neurological system, so you get k.o. and the nasty stuff doesnt even reach the brain.

H instead, tend to turn on and to modulate it, keeping it active for strong feelings and at the same time, shutting down part of pain receptors.

H and M, are same molecule, but the difference of concentration and releasing time, make a strong difference how it acts on the neurological system.

Wow! You seem to really know a lot about this.

Thank you so much for sharing your information.

 

[passenger27]

Thank you for your response.

That's Really ALL I care about! CTB with as Easy of a Transition to Whatever is Next, and be Comfortably Numb!

I think you'll be comfortably numb whether you do H or M honestly

 

[Razor's Edge]

I think you'll be comfortably numb whether you do H or M honestly

That's the best news I've heard all day!

Thank you!

 

[dioxide]

That's the best news I've heard all day!

Thank you!

I wasnt meaning that an OD of H wont drive to CTB, it does for 99%, expecially depends also on purity and quantity.. i guess no one can survive to a 4/5grams OD of H.

I was just meaning that it may not be painless, not as M.

 

[Razor's Edge]

I wasnt meaning that an OD of H wont drive to CTB, it does for 99%, expecially depends also on purity and quantity.. i guess no one can survive to a 4/5grams OD of H.

I was just meaning that it may not be painless, not as M.

I so appreciate all of your information.

Question:... What would you say that the shelf life of powdered H or M is?

 

[k75]

Nope. Morphine tend to shut down the neurological system, so you get k.o. and the nasty stuff doesnt even reach the brain.

H instead, tend to turn on and to modulate it, keeping it active for strong feelings and at the same time, shutting down part of pain receptors.

H and M, are same molecule, but the difference of concentration and releasing time, make a strong difference how it acts on the neurological system.

I've seen people OD on it in real life. They certainly looked unconscious to me and had no knowledge of the overdose. Maybe it had F, I don't know. But they were given Narcan, and that's when they experienced unpleasant effects.

 

[Razor's Edge]

I've seen people OD on it in real life. They certainly looked unconscious to me and had no knowledge of the overdose. Maybe it had F, I don't know. But they were given Narcan, and that's when they experienced unpleasant effects.

I hope I will have no knowledge of the OD, and I really hope that no one will "rescue me"., with Narcan or whatever.

 

[Farmmaa]

H OD is pretty painless.
If you take enough to knock you out, you are completely unconscious within minutes.
It is not easier to OD on morphine - heroin is twice as strong and acts as such. That's why you don't see junkies addicted to morphine. H is metabolised in the body in to morphine.

If you don't want to use IV, Plugging is an effective method.
You don't want to insert much more than 1 or 2 ml of solution or it won't absorb as well. Too much and it could well just come back out before it's absorbed.

 

[Razor's Edge]

H OD is pretty painless.
If you take enough to knock you out, you are completely unconscious within minutes.
It is not easier to OD on morphine - heroin is twice as strong and acts as such. That's why you don't see junkies addicted to morphine. H is metabolised in the body in to morphine.

If you don't want to use IV, Plugging is an effective method.
You don't want to insert much more than 1 or 2 ml of solution or it won't absorb as well. Too much and it could well just come back out before it's absorbed.

Thank you so much for all of this information. This all makes me feel so much more comfortable with this idea. I hope and wish that CTB will be a painless transition to whatever's next...Please let it be better!

 

[yetme]

I did some H when I was young.
Shelf life is years. You need to make sure it's dry and keep it in a dry place. Probably in a vial. If it's wet (some dealers moisturize it to increase the weight) you need to dry it under aircon.
You can pass out pretty quickly and after that any side effects woudn't matter. That's how I ODed and ended up in ER once. They told me I was lucky to be alive.
Make sure to get as pure stuff as you can. The quality stuff won't have any side effects.
Snorting H to ctb is pointless you just won't be able to get it as much into your system as you need .
Rectally is probably the best way. It's pretty much as IV.
You can try and smoke a small line from a tinfoil to make sure it's pure. Begin with a few grains. The reason behind this is that if it's 99% pure it could kick in pretty hard. you can get 99% pure on the Darknet. That's what I'm gonna do as I need to deal with pain somehow and there's no way I can get my hands on medical grade morphine legally.

 

[dioxide]

I so appreciate all of your information.

Question:... What would you say that the shelf life of powdered H or M is?

"Shelf life" and "Illegal substance" are two words that cant be in the same phrase, unfortunately.

Expired chemicals lose potency and may drive to unexpected results, that's why i think morphine is more reliable than heroin, bcause it is mostly a medical grade produced substance and is a gold standard in euthanasia.

I totally disagree with the PPH score as i see my uncle passing with morphine od and was quick and painless.

 

[Razor's Edge]

Thank you so much for responding to my question.

I must admit that I am terrified of the darknet.

I have a friend that can get it off the street, but it may not be more than 30% pure. However, I also had a friend that tried 2 lines of the same batch and was out of commission for 2 days. Do you think that maybe 4 grams would be enough to CTB? If so, do you know how much water I would have to use in order to have the smallest amount possible, because I am planning on doing it rectally. I have never done H before and am just blind leading the blind and may stupidly jump right off the cliff. So, any in depth information that you can give about the rectal administration would be greatly appreciated. Also, is there a way to keep it in?

 

[passenger27]

I did some H when I was young.
Shelf life is years. You need to make sure it's dry and keep it in a dry place. Probably in a vial. If it's wet (some dealers moisturize it to increase the weight) you need to dry it under aircon.
You can pass out pretty quickly and after that any side effects woudn't matter. That's how I ODed and ended up in ER once. They told me I was lucky to be alive.
Make sure to get as pure stuff as you can. The quality stuff won't have any side effects.
Snorting H to ctb is pointless you just won't be able to get it as much into your system as you need .
Rectally is probably the best way. It's pretty much as IV.
You can try and smoke a small line from a tinfoil to make sure it's pure. Begin with a few grains. The reason behind this is that if it's 99% pure it could kick in pretty hard. you can get 99% pure on the Darknet. That's what I'm gonna do as I need to deal with pain somehow and there's no way I can get my hands on medical grade morphine legally.

Is there a particular syringe you need to use if you're plugging or do you need to use something I don't know about? I've got catheter syringes to give my cat medicine, is that okay?

Thank you so much for responding to my question.

I must admit that I am terrified of the darknet.

I have a friend that can get it off the street, but it may not be more than 30% pure. However, I also had a friend that tried 2 lines of the same batch and was out of commission for 2 days. Do you think that maybe 4 grams would be enough to CTB? If so, do you know how much water I would have to use in order to have the smallest amount possible, because I am planning on doing it rectally. I have never done H before and am just blind leading the blind and may stupidly jump right off the cliff. So, any in depth information that you can give about the rectal administration would be greatly appreciated. Also, is there a way to keep it in?

I was planning on 4 grams as well. I don't even know how to get on the darknet

 

[Razor's Edge]

"Shelf life" and "Illegal substance" are two words that cant be in the same phrase, unfortunately.

Expired chemicals lose potency and may drive to unexpected results, that's why i think morphine is more reliable than heroin, bcause it is mostly a medical grade produced substance and is a gold standard in euthanasia.

Thank you for responding. Your info is good to know.

This information seems to be very helpful for one using morphine. However, heroin is the only way for me. I couldn't get my hands on morphine if I wanted to.