Help What is the safe time if I want to practice? Is there anything worth noting?

[12hu]

My question about nitrogen death
1. Can I use the super glue to glue the regulator and hose to make it stronger?
2. Can I use the super glue to stick the hose in the exit bag?
3.At 15L/min, about how much time there is no oxygen and carbon dioxide in my body and in the bag, only nitrogen is left.
4. What is the safe time if I want to practice? Is there anything worth noting?

 

[Lookingforabus]

My question about nitrogen death
1. Can I use the super glue to glue the regulator and hose to make it stronger?
2. Can I use the super glue to stick the hose in the exit bag?
3.At 15L/min, about how much time there is no oxygen and carbon dioxide in my body and in the bag, only nitrogen is left.
4. What is the safe time if I want to practice? Is there anything worth noting?

1) Use a "hose clamp". They're adjustable little metal rings you tighten to keep a hose attached to something.

2) Maybe... but keep in mind that:

a) Your head will be inside the bag too, so you'll get some of that super glue smell, which might be unpleasant... and you probably want to make sure it won't make you get loopy and pass out too soon, or vomit into your exit bag.

b) Superglue might increase the odds of tearing the bag if your head starts convulsing against the hose. Not sure how likely that is, but just in case, I'm sticking with the tape recommended in Five Final Acts.

3) Depends. If you do it as recommended (roll/scrunch/fold the bag up to keep the air out as you fit it on the top of your head, and take a deep breath out before pulling the bag down and turning on the gas), the bag should be flushed of oxygen and CO2 pretty immediately. As to your body, hard to say, but as long as the gas keeps flowing, any CO2 from your bloodstream should be flushed out the bottom of the bag rapidly enough that you won't get the hypercapnic response.

4) They say you have 30 seconds with the gas flowing in an exit bag before you lose consciousness. So... depends on your definition of safety. Worth noting that any gas you use during your testing won't be available for the main event, so make sure you have enough for at least 20 minutes of gas flow after testing.

For whatever it's worth, I got everything setup, put my exit bag on a floor lamp, and turned the gas on until it emptied the tank (I'm using an Argon flow meter, so I needed to check my math on the flow rate conversion by timing it), rather than testing with my head in the bag. Made it easier to check for leaks, look at the gas flow in the bag and make sure everything looked sturdy. Now when I get a refill/exchange, I'm confident that there's enough gas in the tank, it will flow long enough to do the job, and that I didn't forget to close the valve tightly and have a slow leak wasting my nitrogen or something like that.

 

[12hu]

1) Use a "hose clamp". They're adjustable little metal rings you tighten to keep a hose attached to something.

2) Maybe... but keep in mind that:

a) Your head will be inside the bag too, so you'll get some of that super glue smell, which might be unpleasant... and you probably want to make sure it won't make you get loopy and pass out too soon, or vomit into your exit bag.

b) Superglue might increase the odds of tearing the bag if your head starts convulsing against the hose. Not sure how likely that is, but just in case, I'm sticking with the tape recommended in Five Final Acts.

3) Depends. If you do it as recommended (roll/scrunch/fold the bag up to keep the air out as you fit it on the top of your head, and take a deep breath out before pulling the bag down and turning on the gas), the bag should be flushed of oxygen and CO2 pretty immediately. As to your body, hard to say, but as long as the gas keeps flowing, any CO2 from your bloodstream should be flushed out the bottom of the bag rapidly enough that you won't get the hypercapnic response.

4) They say you have 30 seconds with the gas flowing in an exit bag before you lose consciousness. So... depends on your definition of safety. Worth noting that any gas you use during your testing won't be available for the main event, so make sure you have enough for at least 20 minutes of gas flow after testing.

For whatever it's worth, I got everything setup, put my exit bag on a floor lamp, and turned the gas on until it emptied the tank (I'm using an Argon flow meter, so I needed to check my math on the flow rate conversion by timing it), rather than testing with my head in the bag. Made it easier to check for leaks, look at the gas flow in the bag and make sure everything looked sturdy. Now when I get a refill/exchange, I'm confident that there's enough gas in the tank, it will flow long enough to do the job, and that I didn't forget to close the valve tightly and have a slow leak wasting my nitrogen or something like that.

Thank you for your kind reply.
What type of convulsions is it? What is the magnitude of the movement?

 

[Lookingforabus]

Thank you for your kind reply.
What type of convulsions is it? What is the magnitude of the movement?

I'm not sure. I've read some of the reports in books like Five Final Acts and seen some recorded hangings, where a person's limbs and neck will jerk around involuntary as they're unconscious and dying. It's probably not something I should be worried about, but I'm just trying to be extra careful, so my unconscious body doesn't mess up my departure from life.

I've lived through a lot of things so far that should have killed me, and have been told on multiple occasions by doctors that it's a miracle I'm alive, so I'm a bit paranoid about it. I don't think I can take waking up alive in another hospital bed with a bunch of shocked doctors looking at me telling me how miraculous it is that that I survived.

 

[12hu]

I'm not sure. I've read some of the reports in books like Five Final Acts and seen some recorded hangings, where a person's limbs and neck will jerk around involuntary as they're unconscious and dying. It's probably not something I should be worried about, but I'm just trying to be extra careful, so my unconscious body doesn't mess up my departure from life.

I've lived through a lot of things so far that should have killed me, and have been told on multiple occasions by doctors that it's a miracle I'm alive, so I'm a bit paranoid about it. I don't think I can take waking up alive in another hospital bed with a bunch of shocked doctors looking at me telling me how miraculous it is that that I survived.

My other question: What is the main reason for the failure of nitrogen death?
My thoughts: If you want a higher success rate, you can let someone you trust to assist you.

 

[Lookingforabus]

My other question: What is the main reason for the failure of nitrogen death?

The few reports I've seen have been a result of technical errors or convulsions during death. Things like using a bag that's too thin and tears, or not having a big enough tank, or a tank that's underfilled or having a leak where the tube joins the regulator or using the wrong kind of tape that comes loose. Things like that. I've also read a report or two where death convulsions knocked over the tank, or caused the person to fall out of the chair so the bag came off.

So I'm obsessively checking my setup, making sure I have a sturdy chair, using bungie cords to restrict my arms (after I use my hands to pull down the bag and get the gas flowing, of course), and running through anything else that could possibly go wrong.

My thoughts: If you want a higher success rate, you can let someone you trust to assist you.

Easier said than done. That would mean probably inflicting a great deal of guilt on someone I trust, and exposing them to potential criminal charges for assisting a suicide, which I will not do. Then there's the risk to me that someone who I trust (and therefore cares for me deeply) would do something to save my life, like having me committed to a mental health facility. Done right, this method is supposed to be almost always lethal, so the risk that someone I trust prevents me from committing suicide is higher than the risk of technical failure, and I don't involve anyone else, I don't have to feel bad about inflicting guilt or criminal liability on them.