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Here we go, folks, yet another sorted tale of woe.
Speaking of yet another, here is yet another apology for the length of this post.

I (40'sM) found out that my GF (40'sF) of nearly 10 years has been cheating on me.
To some degree.
With the UPS guy?
GF and I have been together for over 9 years and living together for over 6. She has a son who I love as if he were my very own son.
For the first year and a half, our intimacy was gangbusters, if you'll pardon the expression. That was until 1/4 into our first year when I ran into some financial and emotional difficulties. We powered through it and were the stronger for it.
I really thought I had found someone that would stick by me through thick and thin. Someone I could really open up to and be myself, which is something I had trouble finding up until that point.
Yet, it was then, now mid-way into our second year, that our intimacy began the inevitable decline from the honeymoon phase. By year 3, sex had gone from several times per week to several times per month. As she was an amazing GF in every other possible way, I didn't let it get to me that much. Even when we were "like rabbits" she was never what I would call a sexual person. For one, she refused to do oral on me in any way, even though I was happy to do so to her.
When we had sex, I would usually initiate, something that, in hindsight, bothered me, but not enough to bring it up. As I said, she was so amazing to me in every other way (supportive, loving, kind, caring, great fun to be around) that I felt it evened things out.
We got along famously, I wouldn't have asked her to move in had we not!
Our arguments, when we had them, mostly concerned money, or, in our case, a constant lack of money, and the fact that she was always late, and in turn, making me late.
You know, normal couples stuff, right?
By year 5, our intimacy fell off a cliff. From once a month to several times per year......up until February of 2017.
That's when the sex stopped. We haven't had sex since early February of 2017.
Nearly FIVE YEARS.
I have tried everything, and I mean EVERYTHING to try and figure out why the sex suddenly stopped.
I'd bring it up.
I'd get upset about it.
I'd yell at her about it.
I'd get exhausted about it.
I'd ask her if it was me.
I'd ask her if it was another man.
I'd get suicidal about it.
No matter what attempt I made to express myself and discuss these issues, I was met with the same response: there was nothing wrong, there was no one else, she just has no interest in intimacy any longer, she could not explain why, and she has no interest in correcting it.
We continued as we were. More like roommates than anything else. I still loved her son as if he was my own. I was, and am, a financial idiot, so I was unable to move out on my own. I admit, part of that was laziness, but I let things continue. I shifted my focus to my health, which I had let slide. Now that I was over 45, I had to correct that, so I worked on that. Over the past 3 years I've lost nearly 120 pounds, gave up meat, and am healthier, and fitter, than I've been in 30 years. I shifted my focus to correcting my finances, and worked on my career, and focused on work and me.
We still got along, but the non-sexual great things about her also started to change:
For the past two years, she's been sleeping on the couch full time. Claims it's because I snore. I do snore, though less now that I'm thinner, but it's just one other thing I've given up fighting. I enjoy having my bed back to myself, and my 5 cats don't mind having the extra space either!
Within the past year, she suddenly had an issue with the fact that we were on "find my" on our iPhones as we were in an iCloud family. We always took advantage, in good ways, of the fact that we can keep track of when someone was out, on the way home, whatever. At one point within the past year she turned off her tracking, and, when confronted with it, reacted angrily. I don't need to know her every movement and she found it creepy. Creepy? After 7 years suddenly this is an issue? I never once stalked, asked why she was at a certain place, all we used it for was when one of us did the food shopping, we'd know when to help the other when they were pulling into the driveway. Things like that. Now, out of nowhere, this became an issue.
I began to suspect. I'd ask her, she'd deny it. Even so far as saying I was silly for even thinking I'd complicate things like that with someone else.
I'd let it go yet again. I really did try everything humanly possible to get through to her, so I at least had some comfort in that, fleeting though it might have been.
My focus was on my health and my finances. I wanted to afford this home on my own. It was my apartment before her, and I wished for it to be my own apartment again without her.
I focused on that.
All the other, non-sexual things that I adored about her also died out in 2021. She no longer told me she loved me, no longer was the caring, kind person I used to know. We were roommates, and distant ones at that. If I tried to hug her or tell her I loved her, she would almost recoil. If I told her I loved her, she would mumble a reply. If I so much as touch her shoulder, she would recoil like I just put a hot coal on her back. Even so far as to sometimes say "get off of me" and "don't touch me." It would always take me a second to recover from such a strong aversion to a mere hand on a shoulder of an attempt to hug.


My first hint of Mr. UPS (let's leave his name out) came over this past summer. As I am a techie and an avid reader of tech blogs and forums, I keep up with the latest in iOS. An innocent demonstration of the focus notification feature in iOS 15 on her phone to her, with her permission. With focus settings, you can set notifications to cease at certain times of the day or at certain locations and allow only certain apps, or messages from certain people, to keep you from being distracted while at work, etc. This was a feature she claimed to know nothing about, yet when I showed her how it worked on her phone, at her request, Mr. UPS was already in a focus group, one I was not in, btw. When I asked who he was, and why he was in a focus group that seemed already set up for while she was at work, she responded by claiming not to know "why her phone decided to do that." Mr. UPS was the delivery dude who has been delivering to the town she works in and has worked in for years, she explained. She's almost as techie as I am, and always installs the latest phone updates when they come out. The odds of her phone "simply choosing to add him to a focus group" without her knowing it was slim to none. C'mon.
This past fall I began a new job close to home that I could walk to for significantly more money. Great company, great people, endless possibilities, and room for advancement.
At about the same time, she decided that she preferred to run all the household errands without me instead of together, as we had always done. Friday night runs to the local supermarket together became hours-long excursions that would run from early Saturday morning to early in the afternoon at times. There were sudden trips to help her family member I wasn't needed to be on, and rushing out for work at 6:15 when she used to leave closer to 7:30 to her job, not 6 miles away.
All the cliches were there: quickly looking away or putting down from her phone if I walked by. Complete distance from me. We slept in separate rooms, we lived in separate rooms.
Any and all questions about whether she was seeing someone else were met with emphatic denials.
This ridiculously long preamble brings me to last night.
She came home, as she always does, from work with a few groceries in tow. Roughly 60 minutes later she ran out to go pick up her son from his GF's house. She always prided herself in being his personal UBER.
Walking by the couch to go to the bathroom I noticed that she......
Forgot her Apple Watch on the charger.
By good fortune, to me anyway, I had at one point happened to see her passcode to unlock her iPhone. She didn't notice that I saw what the 4 digits were, and I stored that little tidbit into my brain for safekeeping.
It came in handy last night.
Without any attempt to resist temptation, I grabbed that watch and unlocked it like my life depended on it, and opened the messenger app.
There he was. Mr. UPS.
Endless, and I mean endless messages about where they can quickly meet, how great it was to see him, calling him honey, sending heart emojis, intimate emojis, how he was the best thing to happen to her in 2021, and how she was looking forward to 2022 with him. How she needed to schedule a UPS pickup and couldn't wait to see his handsome face.
On and on, you get the picture.
I put the watch back on my charger, locked it, and confided in one of my oldest friends. The same friend who, when I confided in the total and complete end of our intimate life, replied with the following:
"Dude, you don't just stop. Humans don't work that way. You don't stop completely unless there is another source."
Turns out he was right.
So, here we are folks. Present time. I am sitting in my bedroom office, MacBook open, headphones plugged in, Bernard Herrmann playing, blogging, and journaling away gathering my thoughts to share with you, good people.
As it stands now, I do not intend to confront her with this knowledge. To do so would reveal how I came to learn this definitively in the first place. I only wish I had the common sense to have taken screenshots, difficult though that might be with an apple watch.
My emotions are mainly of.....relief? Relief in the knowledge that I know for sure. I am always the type of person who prefers to know definitely rather than having to guess. It's the guessing that drives me up a wall. Now that I know, for sure, that she has been cheating, has been lying, has been unfaithful, I can move on, and move on I shall.
The plan that has been formulated in my head since last night is to finally break up this dead relationship and ask her to leave this week. As her son is an adult, and we get along, I will leave the decision to move or stay up to him. I will not tell her I know about Mr. UPS, for reasons I've already explained.
I thank you for reading, for sticking with this, and for any and all comments you might have. I will answer them, and edit this, as best as I can if there is anything to add over the next few days.

Thank you!
 
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Dude, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've been cheated on in the past and the heartbreak from it was one of the worst feelings I've experienced. If I was you, I would break up with her asap with all of her possessions outside the house and personally let her know that she's a horrible person for what she did via a note with her possessions. You seem like a kind hearted person, it sucks some human beings try to take advantage of that kindness. Just know that it isn't your fault that she cheated, it's her character flaws that are at fault.
 
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Ah man, that sucks. I'm glad you got some closure from knowing though.

Maybe you should schedule a ups pick up when you're both at home. Did you keep mr ups's number?
 
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Dude, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've been cheated on in the past and the heartbreak from it was one of the worst feelings I've experienced. If I was you, I would break up with her asap with all of her possessions outside the house and personally let her know that she's a horrible person for what she did via a note with her possessions. You seem like a kind hearted person, it sucks some human beings try to take advantage of that kindness. Just know that it isn't your fault that she cheated, it's her character flaws that are at fault.
Thank you. What boggles the mind is that she thought she thought she could get away with it, or that I wouldn't find out eventually.....and that she's still here!
Ah man, that sucks. I'm glad you got some closure from knowing though.

Maybe you should schedule a ups pick up when you're both at home. Did you keep mr ups's number?
I wish I'd taken his number down, or taken some screen shots.
 
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Gsvko

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Oh my do I hate liars and cheaters. Glad you feel relieved at least. Hope you know she's trash and you deserve better, you seem smart and kind. Hope you can somehow move on. You didn't deserve this. Also thanks for sharing.
 
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An hour ago she told me she was "going to the library and to get a few more things for dinner." It never takes her this long. She is literally with him right now! Some pair on that woman.
 
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Some people can be very cruel and awful, overall I cannot stand people and would prefer to stay away from them. Nobody should be treated like that by someone else. I wish you the best.
 
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Do people still use libraries? I thought the Internet killed them off.



I don't know how you can stop yourself calling her out. After all this time and the way she's been acting you had and have good reason to be suspicious and check her watch/phone. I know it means admitting to clocking her code/pin and breaching her privacy but we're talking years man. I get that relationships go stale over time and maybe there are intricacies to it all that give her some sort of justifice for feeling the desire to lolk at greener pastures and stray but there's only so long that can be considered justified in some way before it becomes a character flaw and/or simple lack of integrity. She owes you an explanation and should have sat down with you and come clean a long time ago. Part of me thinks that in you asking her to leave you're doing her a favour by doing her dirty work for her and giving her what she wants. It bugs me to think that you're making her life easier and giving her exactly what she wants. I kind of feel like you should keep her trapped in her lie for a while so that she has to face her decision and come clean. I'm sure there's more to it all than we know and I'm not about antagonistic behaviour but everything on individual merit, right? Bearing in mind you're on a suicide forum as a result of it all. You deserve an explanation. Also, please don't end your life over this. From what you've been saying you're a decent person. Perhaps a little flawed like many of us but honest with yourself and making attempts to better yourself in whatever ways you identify. When this is all done and dusted you will get over it. Hopefully you'll bw able to maintain a relationship with your son (by unofficial adoption).
Not sure where you stand on covid but I'd be so pissed at her for bringing more risk to the home. Maybe you're fully vaccinated but honestly, things are still up in the air with new variants and break through infection. I'm of the inclination that we should all be limiting interactions in the name of being safe not sorry. Infection on the rise in many countries.
 
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Do people still use libraries? I thought the Internet killed them off.



I don't know how you can stop yourself calling her out. After all this time and the way she's been acting you had and have good reason to be suspicious and check her watch/phone. I know it means admitting to clocking her code/pin and breaching her privacy but we're talking years man. I get that relationships go stale over time and maybe there are intricacies to it all that give her some sort of justifice for feeling the desire to lolk at greener pastures and stray but there's only so long that can be considered justified in some way before it becomes a character flaw and/or simple lack of integrity. She owes you an explanation and should have sat down with you and come clean a long time ago. Part of me thinks that in you asking her to leave you're doing her a favour by doing her dirty work for her and giving her what she wants. It bugs me to think that you're making her life easier and giving her exactly what she wants. I kind of feel like you should keep her trapped in her lie for a while so that she has to face her decision and come clean. I'm sure there's more to it all than we know and I'm not about antagonistic behaviour but everything on individual merit, right? Bearing in mind you're on a suicide forum as a result of it all. You deserve an explanation. Also, please don't end your life over this. From what you've been saying you're a decent person. Perhaps a little flawed like many of us but honest with yourself and making attempts to better yourself in whatever ways you identify. When this is all done and dusted you will get over it. Hopefully you'll bw able to maintain a relationship with your son (by unofficial adoption).
Not sure where you stand on covid but I'd be so pissed at her for bringing more risk to the home. Maybe you're fully vaccinated but honestly, things are still up in the air with new variants and break through infection. I'm of the inclination that we should all be limiting interactions in the name of being safe not sorry. Infection on the rise in many countries.
Yes, I have overwhelming urges to end my life over this, I won't kid you or anyone about that. The thoughts of leaving overwhelm me, and It's exhausting me just keeping barely ahead of that. I have a plan, a method, and I've rehearsed it to the point where I know I won't fail should I want to go. I feel stupid, old, worthless, ugly, and thrown away like an old pair of shoes. She's been in abusive relationships before too. This kid's father beat her when he found out she was pregnant and he has never even met the kid! Before me, she was seeing someone for nearly a decade who was apparently living a double life. Or....so she told me. I doubt everything about her.

My plan, as it stands now, is to speak to my landlord and his wife on Monday, as we work from home and she does not. I will be open and honest and let them know what is going on and that I intend to ask her to leave this week. As the apartment is in my name since I lived here first, and since my landlord and family and treated me as family, I have no doubt they will be supportive, and I feel they should be in on what is going on since I live in their home.

I appreciate what you've said, but I can barely look at her, I've spent the day with headphones on, typing away on my MacBook and ignoring her, and she's picked up on it. I'm enjoying letting her stew, but I will be kicking her out after I speak with my landlord and family first. I just want her out of my life. I never want to see her again, and now I have the means to do so.

As for covid, her son literally just left his second quarantine after testing positive last weekend, so yeah....
 
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What reason are you going to give her when you ask her to leave?


I think it would be a real shame for you to ctb off the back of this. Not sure if you're the type to put a lot of weight on relationships in general or not. For me I have had both relationships and solitary periods and enjoted both but honestly, if you can make friends and stay single life can be pretty damn good if you have your health.

I don't think you're stupid and I don't think you should take somebody elses poor judgement and treatment of you as a signifier of your attributes and worth. I'm sure you would have said the same to your missus in regards to her previously abusive relationship.

I really hope you can give yourself a bit of time after this before acting on your current urges because her behavior is bad enough and for it to result in the loss of a life is more than her actions are worth. It's too flattering to her. She's not worth it.

You'll do what you do and of course I respect your decision to do so. I just think it's a shame.
 
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What reason are you going to give her when you ask her to leave?
So far going with the following:

"Your presence here is no longer needed, desired, or required. Please take your things and move out today. I'm sure you can find a new place to live at the library."

I just don't want to tip my hand and cause this whole scene, I'd rather it be cold, direct, slightly aloof, and let her wonder why I suddenly wanted her gone.

Thoughts?
 
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I suspect you will be required to give her a certain amount of notice from a legal standpoint. I also feel like you'll end up being pushed into an explanation if you're aloof. That said, she may thank her lucky stars and be happy to go given her messages to ups guy saying she's "looking forward to 2020 with him". She may be making plans as it is. I feel for you man.
 
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I suspect you will be required to give her a certain amount of notice from a legal standpoint. I also feel like you'll end up being pushed into an explanation if you're aloof. That said, she may thank her lucky stars and be happy to go given her messages to ups guy saying she's "looking forward to 2020 with him". She may be making plans as it is. I feel for you man.
If I have to give her notice, I will. That's why I'm telling my landlords first so they handle it with me, which I feel is the best course of action. UPS can have her, I'm done. I can't even look at her. The only explanation I will give her is I don't want to be with her, I no longer love or care for her, and I that I want her out of my apartment. Which is the truth. No coming back from this one.
 
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Your plan sounds good to me. You deserve better.
 
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I usually never fully read posts that are this long but this had me gripped from the beginning, I like the way you write and you're a very good storyteller

In all seriousness though I'm really sorry that happened to you, it really sucks and I hope you manage to move on

This is why I've vowed to never enter into a serious/committed relationship ever again. No romantic partners can be trusted as far as I'm concerned. People cheat all the time unfortunately, way more than we'd like to believe, I witness it first hand every day working as an exotic dancer and sugar baby with 99% of my clients being married men.
 
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I usually never fully read posts that are this long but this had me gripped from the beginning, I like the way you write and you're a very good storyteller

In all seriousness though I'm really sorry that happened to you, it really sucks and I hope you manage to move on

This is why I've vowed to never enter into a serious/committed relationship ever again. No romantic partners can be trusted as far as I'm concerned. People cheat all the time unfortunately, way more than we'd like to believe, I witness it first hand every day working as an exotic dancer and sugar baby with 99% of my clients being married men.
Thank you for the compliments on my writing! I blog about cats believe it or not.

As for my dating future, I am fully retired after this. No more dating, no more anything. Single from here on out.
 
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@dantracht I've cheated quite a bit in most of my relationships. But I never blew off the person I was with. Sorry bro, you got played big time.

I'm going to have to call this one like I see it. You messed up too.

Regardless of the situation, you were 100% wrong to check her watch. You should have manned up and left if you felt the need to do that.
Never raise someone else's kid. Don't date people with kids. Hookups only. (Idgaf if I get flamed for this - I've never seen this situation work out).
Never ever fight, cry, or beg for sex. That makes you look desperate. Definitely not what's going to get someone wet or hard for you.
More proof that open relationships are the way to go.
This is why I've vowed to never enter into a serious/committed relationship ever again. No romantic partners can be trusted as far as I'm concerned. People cheat all the time unfortunately, way more than we'd like to believe, I witness it first hand every day working as an exotic dancer and sugar baby with 99% of my clients being married men.
It's only cheating if you expect monogamy. Traditional relationships are designed to fail.
As for my dating future, I am fully retired after this. No more dating, no more anything. Single from here on out.
Def the way to go. Get that Tinder profile posted!
 
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