Help What happens if im caught

[willowtrees0]

Im gonna sound dumb most likely but like what will happen if I have the most unlucky attempt and dont succeed and im found? I am 20 almost 21. I pay for my own house, my own car, I live in america. I have written out a type of will requesting not to get treated for medical meaning no life support. I know that Is my one right to have because my dad had the same thing done when he got sick.

So how far can people go? Do people have the right to post all over the internet I tried to ctb? do they have the right to commit me to some place?

A girl I used to know was very open about her ctb attempt when she was 18. she is now 26 and says her family still treats her weird. She says that she cant even say she is having a bad day anymore without being terrorized and being blamed for being off her meds. Her family even does welfare checks on her all the time. (where cops literally go to her house and check on her)

This is traumatizing to me. I was a very sheltered child and depression wasn't a serious illness. no one really understands it. If I try ctb Im sure they will think im just a crazy insane person that needs to be dosed up with medications and shipped off to some rehab farm even tho I dont do drugs or even drink alcohol

 

[onewayroad]

I hate to say it, but it's actually worse than that. If you are 'saved' in the middle of your attempt you could be brain damaged and lose a lot of functions, even paralyzed.

If you're going to do this, don't get caught. I think everyone on this forum is terrified of this.

 

[willowtrees0]

I hate to say it, but it's actually worse than that. If you are 'saved' in the middle of your attempt you could be brain damaged and lose a lot of functions, even paralyzed.

If you're going to do this, don't get caught. I think everyone on this forum is terrified of this.

yea I knew all that. I have came to terms with that but i feel like if im caught and not damaged forever everyone will think I did it for attention and from my view thats worse. I have kept all of my mental issues a complete secret for years. It isnt like anyone will see it coming. Of course Im pretty sure my plan is fool proof. But honestly it scares me more than death itself to think I will be watched like a child for the rest of my life if I somehow fail. I just want to know If I have the right to refuse any 'therapy, meds, counselors, etc'

 

[zzz919]

If you are caught trying to commit suicide in the United States ...... You will be treated like a criminal ...... I am saying this because it is the truth ...... You will be sent to a mental health jail for 2 to 3 days ...... Unless you have alot of money ...... I'm talking multi-millions of dollars ...... If you are very wealthy ...... Then a team of psychiatric workers will attempt to empty your bank account ...... But if you are poor or middle class ...... Then you will be locked up for 2 to 3 days in a psychiatric jail ...... There is a wild card though ...... If you piss off the police ...... Or god forbid piss off the government ...... While trying to kill yourself ...... Then you will be sent to prison ...... This is the truth.

 

[Sayo]

Do not rescuscitate orders are often ignored during suspected suicides, apparently. It's an ongoing issue in healthcare ethics.

Yes, they have the legal ability to hold you against your will. Or they can admit you voluntarily, and if you don't cooperate, it will be upgraded to an involuntary hold in the case of a recent attempt for sure. The laws vary from state to state, so you should look it up. The proper term is 'involuntary psychiatric hold', sometimes called Baker Acting (but this just refers to Florida's law). Pretty much everywhere, a doctor or a cop can have you detained involuntarily for 72 hours based on various criteria, which always include 'a threat to yourself'. Usually they then assess you and may be able to hold you for 14 days, which requires a bit more of a process (sometimes a court or tribunal hearing). Which you can typically contest, but good luck if you got put in there for actually attempting to kill yourself. They have further processes to take over care for people for longer, but in practice they like to downgrade you to voluntary at some point and get you out of there if you're 'just' depressed.

Refusing certain treatments (counsellors etc.) is very likely to prolong this treatment. However, you should have a right to refuse things considered physically invasive, like surgery and electronconvulsive treatment (in the psych ward).

The other main danger of being caught is permanent damage incurred by your method. You should be aware of what injuries you risk before attempting, know that you want to go through with it, and take precautions to ensure you are not found.

I'm not an expert on free speech laws and where they collide with harassment in the case of someone talking about your suicide. However, nobody is likely to spread the news everywhere, especially for an attempt. I don't know if your family will be informed, which might be more relevant. (Hell, when I lived alone and ended up in the psych ward, I don't remember whether it was me who contacted my mom, the cops, the doctors, or my ex.) If you're in the emergency ward comatose, I expect your next of kin will be contacted, but I don't know for sure. You should look it up for your residence.

That being said... What practical dominion do your family have over you if you live alone and have financial independence? It would certainly make the relations weird, but I don't see how they could actually watch you like a hawk after you got out of hospital.

Hopefully it comes to absolutely none of this either way unless you seek treatment yourself, but it's important to be aware.

 

[Schopenhauer]

It's something to worry about, no way around it. That's why it's not good to try unreliable methods. If you survive, and your family finds out, you'll be forever marked. (The law notwithstanding, health care professionals will often try to contact your family, in their misguided attempts to "help").

What's your method?

 

[TAW122]

Others have summed it up pretty well, but I'll also add that if you get caught, you also have a record, which will affect you very negatively in many ways. If you are in the US, one of the most important rights is the 2nd amendment (not trying to be political here -- sorry if it came off that way), which allows one the right to have a firearm, thus a way to defend yourself, hobby (if you fancy that), and of course, a very reliable method for an out. However, that's not all though, if you had a social circle (not family) or want to have future friends with others then word will somehow get out regarding an involuntary commitment and there is still much stigma attached to it. Confidentiality is really just a formality and a joke, it's just there for the sake of it, and people (somehow and some way) will find out. Then of course, there are also certain licenses, jobs, other rights and opportunities that can be affected. So yeah, being marked, branded, or having it in your record is very damaging and can lead to other negative consequences to personal freedom, civil rights, social life, professional life, and other things.

 

[Duqu]

Like @Sayo said, DNR's are usually ignored for suicides. Also, a DNR can't be in like a will or something, it literally has to be signed by a doctor with very specific language.

 

[Fucking loving it]

In USA my experience is going to the psych ward. Where I live they aren't that bad.
Yes they can commit you and probably will commit you if you refuse meds.

 

[Deutschv2]

Her family even does welfare checks on her all the time. (where cops literally go to her house and check on her)

Wait really? Is this even legal? This is alarming ... Anyone knows about the legality of such things?
Edit nvm just read about it. This is dissapointing.. oh well, chances are if you plan to ctb they won't come in durin the time your dying. still though.

 

[jake]

in the u.s., it will depend largely on the state in which you live -- this is a matter of state law, not federal law, so what happens will vary from state to state. first and foremost, suicide was decriminalized in every state more than 50 years ago, so you will not have a record. you will likely be taken to a hospital and evaluated and, under the circumstances, determined to be a danger to yourself and/or others. as a result of that determination, in most states, you can be held in a hospital (psychiatric ward) involuntarily for at least a couple of days. if you do not agree to stay voluntarily (or at least to treatment depending on the state and situation), they have to release you or go to court for an involuntary commitment. while i have not seen or experienced an involuntary commitment proceeding, my best guess is that this is probably a formality. the doctors will be presumed to have evaluated you properly and correctly determined the level of risk that you present, so it will be an uphill battle to persuade the court that you should be released. this is especially so because it is a state court proceeding and, in my experience, the vast majority of state court judges are not willing to put in the effort to undertake a sound, well-thought-out analysis.

 

[Lunaemoth]

I came really close to CTB when I was 19. Survived, spent a week in the hospital recovering, then forced to stay in psych for three weeks until I successfully lied my way out. I had one other psych stay (three days) after I left home and my parents THOUGHT I was going to attempt ( I wasn't, at that point, and was 23). With those two visits, I have over $8000 medical debt. None of it voluntary.