What are they supposed to do?

[olkf]

Therapy doesn't work nor does medication. What do you want them to do?. It's an impossible task. People get upset over it but it is no solution.

 

[Manaaja]

For me my problems are external and so when the external changes so changes the internal. Living in a good place with good air, no mold, no bad neighbors, good sleep, friends nearby, a lovely dog, lotsa disability money, no unwanted meetings, good discussions, no stress, no noise means happiness. My internal feeling is mostly the combination of what I see, hear, feel (as in touch), smell and taste. Also, stability and the certain-ness of tomorrow. Even if everything in my life was good today, I couldn't enjoy it if I feared it was all gone tomorrow.

 

[drowning]

For me my problems are external and so when the external changes so changes the internal. Living in a good place with good air, no mold, no bad neighbors, good sleep, friends nearby, a lovely dog, lotsa disability money, no unwanted meetings, good discussions, no stress, no noise means happiness. My internal feeling is mostly the combination of what I see, hear, feel (as in touch), smell and taste. Also, stability and the certain-ness of tomorrow. Even if everything in my life was good today, I couldn't enjoy it if I feared it was all gone tomorrow.

don't feel like i could be happy even if i had everything i wanted
it's a curse
existence itself is inherently pointless and painful. don't bother explaining to people stuck inside of the cave

 

[Seiba]

Who is they in this situation? Friends and family?

 

[JustAMatterOfTime]

Some of us just aren't compatible with the current set-up of the world.

 

[summers]

Therapy doesn't work nor does medication. What do you want them to do?. It's an impossible task. People get upset over it but it is no solution.

Medications can work - but the psychiatrists are usually too incompetent or lazy to spend the time with the patient to find what they need.

 

[Maaizr]

Therapy doesn't work nor does medication. What do you want them to do?.

i want them to either fuck off and stop trying to "help" or do better with their methods because youre right, therapy and medication both suck dick

 

[justtiredofit]

I want them to stop pumping us with meds designed to make us look like we have a smile on our face, while still feeling like crap, just so they don't feel uncomfortable around us.

 

[drowning]

i want them to either fuck off and stop trying to "help" or do better with their methods because youre right, therapy and medication both suck dick

having to take medication makes it sound like there's something wrong with us. when really there isn't. society just wants us to think something is wrong with us, so they can "fix" us and "brainwash" us to feel surface-level happy and go back to working the capitalist machinery.

and no I'm not a commie, but if everyone saw the truth in painful existence and started to kill themselves, who would make money for the overlords and what would happen to our species? Death is holy and it happens to everyone, and it has happened since the start of time - look at the amount of suicide references in old religious texts - but society doesn't want us to think this way.

I'm never taking medication, ever. there's nothing wrong with me and there's probably nothing wrong with most of you. the only people who there's something wrong with are those innocent people who are being commoditised by big pharma, and all of us constantly being told we are insane for these simple, true thoughts.

EDIT: and fuck surface-level happiness. nobody wants it. it's that nauseatingly high sugar, budget soda that makes everyone feel sick after having it. we've all felt surface-level happiness and, at least for me, all it does is amplify the need to die.

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe that wanting suicide can be perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this. Medication and therapy does not solve real problems that people are going through, to me they are pointless. In my case, nothing will ever help. I do not want to be helped in any way though, I just want to be free from this existence.

 

[Rabhen]

having to take medication makes it sound like there's something wrong with us. when really there isn't. society just wants us to think something is wrong with us, so they can "fix" us and "brainwash" us to feel surface-level happy and go back to working the capitalist machinery.

and no I'm not a commie, but if everyone saw the truth in painful existence and started to kill themselves, who would make money for the overlords and what would happen to our species? Death is holy and it happens to everyone, and it has happened since the start of time - look at the amount of suicide references in old religious texts - but society doesn't want us to think this way.

I'm never taking medication, ever. there's nothing wrong with me and there's probably nothing wrong with most of you. the only people who there's something wrong with are those innocent people who are being commoditised by big pharma, and all of us constantly being told we are insane for these simple, true thoughts.

EDIT: and fuck surface-level happiness. nobody wants it. it's that nauseatingly high sugar, budget soda that makes everyone feel sick after having it. we've all felt surface-level happiness and, at least for me, all it does is amplify the need to die.

yes!

 

[markimobzzdeasui]

I believe if therapists are extremely compassionate (not in way of their practices and training though), trauma informed( most are not) and honest, it may help a person under certain limited circumstances. But many times the problems and sufferings are so many and so much complex that solutions are not just possible and most of the times people get therapists who just invalidate and further excerbate the problems. And if problems themselves are external and practical, how can therapy even help? Ctb should always be an option I believe! I think what many don't understand is that people need help when they are suffering,not afterwards. Even a minor anxiety can turn into insidious depression if healthy support is not present. Are such therapists present when people are actually suffering?

 

[Manaaja]

don't feel like i could be happy even if i had everything i wanted
it's a curse
existence itself is inherently pointless and painful. don't bother explaining to people stuck inside of the cave

If you have never felt happiness, it's hard to imagine how wonderful it means. Or if it's been a long time since you felt happiness, it's hard to imagine happiness exists, what it feels like, or to believe you can feel it. Happiness is like a skill that needs to be trained and that can be forgotten.

 

[drowning]

If you have never felt happiness, it's hard to imagine how wonderful it means. Or if it's been a long time since you felt happiness, it's hard to imagine happiness exists, what it feels like, or to believe you can feel it. Happiness is like a skill that needs to be trained and that can be forgotten.

As you explain, happiness is a skill. But do you realise this means that happiness is illusionary? It is not real, truthful, or pure—it's a feeling. All feelings go and come. Happiness is surface level, and it's impossible to be happy—at least for me—unless I lie to myself about the reality of my (and human) existence and choose to look the other way.

 

[GentleJerk]

Therapy doesn't work nor does medication. What do you want them to do?

This has more to do with psychiatry than therapy;

I want them to have some damn accountability when they wantonly ruin lives, through heavy-handed drugging with dangerous and poorly understood chemicals.

I want them to climb down off their pedestal and acknowledge that reducing someone to a foot-shuffling zombie with a goldfish memory, hypertension, and no libido doesn't count as true healing and healthcare.

I want them to admit that almost nowhere else in medicine is there such folly, and arbitrary definitions of conditions, causes and treatments. The entire profession is frequently unethical, rooted in pseudo science, and is as far from medicine as it gets, and more akin to a blindfolded lobotomy lucky-dip.

I want psychiatric drugs to be a last resort, not a first choice, and for them to pursue as many alternative treatments as possible, and at least investigate other possible causes for things like symptoms of mental illness, before forcing people onto the perilous path of being 'medicated' for the rest of their lives at the drop of a hat... Especially children.

If someone is making drugs to treat illnesses, then that is one thing, but if they are making millions and profiting by cornering a market then that is inherently corrupt, and it would be naive to think that the main goal here is to cure the sick.

 

[Manaaja]

As you explain, happiness is a skill. But do you realise this means that happiness is illusionary? It is not real, truthful, or pure—it's a feeling. All feelings go and come. Happiness is surface level, and it's impossible to be happy—at least for me—unless I lie to myself about the reality of my (and human) existence and choose to look the other way.

I don't care whether something is illusion or not. If it makes me happy, it makes me happy. Not everything has to be logical or rational. But I don't believe feelings are fake or impure. Evolutionarily, humans have no reason to feel deep sadness or depression or nihilism. Happier humans live longer and produce more offspring. That makes me believe that there is a reason that we can feel happiness. I also have to admit that it's true that feelings are often fleeting. I hate how I can be happier one monent, then remember something bad and the feeling of happiness goes away. I wish I could save the feeling like a video game and then reload the feeling again and again.

I agree with you regarding the rest of your post. It's true that many things in this world are really bad, and thus in many cases the easiest way for many to be happy is to "turn a blind eye", to look the other way. It's really hard to be happy while looking at bad things, to look at the numerous bad things in this world. I've noticed that the unhappiest people are those who look around and see the whole world, and happiest are often those who only focus on their own life. "Happiness is bliss and thus a bad thing" said someone. I wondered what it meant, they said "When you are happy, you ignore the bad world, all the suffering, being selfish and only focusing on your own enjoyment of life."

I've read studies that depressed people are more realistic people, they see the world for what it is. While happy people see the world for what it could be. I have experienced happiness, it's the best feeling and experience, it's my reason to want to live, and thus if I have to be unrealistic to feel happiness again, I'd rather be unrealistic. Though I can understand why some would orefer to be realistic. I wish reality was better and happier, so people could be both realistic and happy.

I wonder why you got banned or left. I enjoyed talking with you. I hope all goes well with you.