Wagies’ Pride

[sserafim]

The main reason anyone works is ofc money, I am not denying that but the reason people live like slaves that wont question anything is ''pride''

- Some of them have enough money to live as neets but they keep going, out of pride.

- Deep down, some of them are not happy with their jobs, abondoned their dreams but they keep doing the same thing. why? Pride.

-They belittle NEETS. Why? Pride. ''I waste my energy and time on meaningless shit like a slave'', ''I must defend it'' They need that false sense of accomplishment in their little world.

They cant accept the fact that energy and time are the most valuable entities and they are slaving them away. They will defend what they are doing out of pride.

 

[groucho]

I enjoy work more than being in my head. My job is stressful but more rewarding than most people's so I'm lucky in that respect. I do struggle to let it go, outside of work I just don't want to do anything anymore, I'll "waste" my life one way or another.

 

[Enga]

Work is the only place where I was able to communicate with other people and it made me feel better.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Idk, this doesn't seem all that likely mainly because it doesn't really seem like most people take any pride in their work at all these days.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

What wagie has enough money to live as a Neet? I'd argue that no one has, that's a luxury only rich people have access to. Living without working is too expensive, in the millions expensive depending on when you want to start that lifestyle.

For a lot of people, their work IS their dream, just because it's work doesn't mean it is miserable. It's a place where you apply your skills, where some make friends for life, find a partner, go see the world through business trips, etc.

If they belittle Neets is because that Neet may be a leech that they're having to financially support and that is not fair on them. Whether we want to hear it or not, being a Neet doesn't work in this society, the Neet will just burden someone else financially, unless of course they are born into wealth. I don't think people care about Neets if they're not living under the wagie's roof, the problem is the Neet using all the wagie's resources while not contributing - that makes the wagie a slave.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Supposedly, the average lifetime cost of living is about $3 million. If you know of any jobs that pay $3 million in the space of a few years- that the average person can get, I'm all ears! An awful lot of people live hand to mouth, work all hours and still don't really earn enough.

I think the NEET perspective in part comes from a place of privelage for some (if it's out of choice rather than debilitating circumstances)- they have care givers who can afford to keep them- however begrudgingly. I guess there is rebellion there too but, it's kind of a safe-ish rebellion if they know they're getting their meals provided today and they get to sleep in a safe bed. Not to say everyone can even work though- of course. But- in terms of choice- it's a choice you're going to make if either you have the safety net of being provided for or, you're incredibly brave!

There are mavericks of course. Those who live off grid. I saw a documentary on 'professional' beggars in France once. They could charm the birds out the trees! I had a begrudging respect for them in a way. I'd like to be less square really. It is impressive when people take up alternative lifestyles but, I think they can end up being just as hard work and stressful as regular lives. Depends really on whether you still have someone providing for you.

But sure- maybe pride and fear of judgement keeps us in our shitty jobs. Fear of destitution is a major factor too though I think. And it's very real for perhaps the majority of people.

 

[todiefor]

The main reason anyone works is ofc money, I am not denying that but the reason people live like slaves that wont question anything is ''pride''

- Some of them have enough money to live as neets but they keep going, out of pride.

- Deep down, some of them are not happy with their jobs, abondoned their dreams but they keep doing the same thing. why? Pride.

-They belittle NEETS. Why? Pride. ''I waste my energy and time on meaningless shit like a slave'', ''I must defend it'' They need that false sense of accomplishment in their little world.

They cant accept the fact that energy and time are the most valuable entities and they are slaving them away. They will defend what they are doing out of pride.

Aren't u saying this because of pride as well? You feel like u need to defend what you are doing, why? Because of pride?

The concept of work and contributing to a community that sustains u or putting food on the table isn't sophisticated abstract concept only reserved for humans. All animals work too, either to sustain their own life, the life of their young, or to contribute and do their part for the community that sustains them. I doubt many of the animals are doing it out of pride.

People work for all kinds of reasons, perhaps some of it pride but generally because people need money to live. Very few people I know who don't need money to work work for money, they generally work in something else that is meaningful to them. Everyone finds something different meaningful to them and that's is surely ok. Many do actually find contributing to society and making themselves useful to others to be meaningful. The truth is most people can't afford pride, it is a luxury for most people, it's more fear of starving and falling into a position that they can't dig themselves out of and letting their loved ones and dependents down that drives them.

Equally you can choose to live alone in the woods grow / hunt your own food and filter your own water and treat your own sicknesses. That way there's no money involved at all. Is that not wage slaving then? But you are still working? Except much harder than if you are in a society with everyone specialised in something that they contribute?

I don't think there's need for judgement going either way. I'd like to think everyone does their own thing for their own reasons, and contribute what they can, either working, or not working. If someone can afford not to work, or are taking a break, or choose to do something else more fulfilling, why not? if someone wants to work or needs money to work, why should I judge them? Why not take our own pride out of the equation, we don't need to justify our work status to others, as long as you are not taking advantage of others in your choice. If someone else is working on your behalf while you enjoy your spare time and energy, then yeah they may demand some answers, because as it turns out everyone values their own time and energy, why should they not enjoy their time and energy too, they are prob not in it for the pride.

 

[BardBarrie]

I say this as a long-term ultraNEET: let's not try and villainize working people.

Being NEET doesn't make one better, if anything us NEETs are the faulty ones.

 

[Tesha]

If you think people are working for pride, please live for the next three months without an income, move out of wherever you're living and leave all your possessions there. I think your privileged view of life might change.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I think there's more nuance to why people work than it just being due to pride. Also, the idea that some people have enough money to be NEETs forever sounds like an alien concept to me. I think that only the top 1% have enough money to stay as NEETs forever whereas the majority have to slave away until retirement age.

Anyways, there are also other reasons as to why people work. People work because, in this world, there is no other alternative and not working can put somebody at great risk of facing homelessness therefore dying. People are forced to work to survive, not because of pride. Job interviews even make sure that people work for as long as possible as, to them, a gap in your CV for work is considered as a red flag.

I also don't think that they belittle NEETs because of pride. I think that they belittle NEETs because they belittle anybody who is different... anybody who hasn't conformed to the norm and the system. It isn't due to pride but rather the human nature to belittle anything that's different from them


Whoever the hell said the things that you said here missed the mark massively

 

[Superdeterminist]

I'll never understand how anyone could work a low income job, especially knowing that rich people exist - many of whom earn their riches passively. "Because I have to" just isn't compelling enough to me. I would much rather work on killing myself than work as a modern slave who helps to line some fucker's pockets.

 

[derpyderpins]

What wagie has enough money to live as a Neet? I'd argue that no one has, that's a luxury only rich people have access to. Living without working is too expensive, in the millions expensive depending on when you want to start that lifestyle.

Yeah, I'm with you. I couldn't save up enough to convert to being a NEET in years and I do pretty well. With inflation and increasing costs that pile is constantly deteriorated.

For a lot of people, their work IS their dream, just because it's work doesn't mean it is miserable. It's a place where you apply your skills, where some make friends for life, find a partner, go see the world through business trips, etc.

lol well I was with you. I understand that some people like their work but I simply cannot think of work as not being mostly miserable. Yesterday I got to read a hilarious fact pattern of sex and debauchery for one case but I still had to be in a room doing work I would never otherwise do unless you paid me, which I think is true for 99% of people.

If they belittle Neets is because that Neet may be a leech that they're having to financially support and that is not fair on them. Whether we want to hear it or not, being a Neet doesn't work in this society, the Neet will just burden someone else financially, unless of course they are born into wealth. I don't think people care about Neets if they're not living under the wagie's roof, the problem is the Neet using all the wagie's resources while not contributing - that makes the wagie a slave.

This logic holds up. If you are demanding someone else's labor, you are the one acting as a slavemaster.

The main reason anyone works is ofc money, I am not denying that but the reason people live like slaves that wont question anything is ''pride''

- Some of them have enough money to live as neets but they keep going, out of pride.

- Deep down, some of them are not happy with their jobs, abondoned their dreams but they keep doing the same thing. why? Pride.

-They belittle NEETS. Why? Pride. ''I waste my energy and time on meaningless shit like a slave'', ''I must defend it'' They need that false sense of accomplishment in their little world.

They cant accept the fact that energy and time are the most valuable entities and they are slaving them away. They will defend what they are doing out of pride.

I won't totally dismiss pride is a part of it, I guess. I really really REALLY don't want to be dependent on my parents, and I think I have good reasons for that, but I guess part of it is pride. It's mostly that relying on them is a worse alternative.

 

[BardBarrie]

I'll never understand how anyone could work a low income job, especially knowing that rich people exist - many of whom earn their riches passively. "Because I have to" just isn't compelling enough to me. I would much rather work on killing myself than work as a modern slave who helps to line some fucker's pockets.

For most people it's simply not a choice.