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Do not be prisoner of your life. Die a little, lol
- Apr 15, 2019
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If you need more context just ask. This is a response, to someone's response, about me saying we are a vulnerable population online and are at higher risk than the general population of be targeted by online predators.
The user said (paraphrased) in general, using the internet to meet up with people is inherently dangerous regardless any subgroup. I respectfully disagree.
That person and I are friends so this blip is only to give context. There is no ill will between us. I hope reposting my response will help people to remember to be cautious when meeting people offline.
Sometimes depression and stress can cause you to want to "just get it over with already" but make sure you are aware of all of the inherent risk of meeting up with someone under 'assumed circumstances'.
Comment:
Someone with a history of mental health problems wanting to commit suicide with a partner, someone merely wanting to buy something from an online seller, and someone using a dating website to go on dates, are all different populations online.
So, yes there is inherent risk for all of them but they all aren't as vulnerable as the person using the internet to find a person to commit suicide with. Here is why I think this. It is just my personal opinion.
- They all start out with different circumstantial elements leading up to meeting. The purpose for each is different.
- The narratives in the media will be different if they meet foul play.
For people wanting to commit suicide with a partner if you end up being (abducted or murdered) the narrative pushed by the media at first, will be an assumption it was your mental health that lead to you being unaccounted for not necessarily that foul play has happened.
I would like to point out that going through with a suicide pact and being murdered are not comparable. One situation there is informed consent about how you are willing to die and the other scenario death is forced upon you in a way you didn't consent to. Both lead to death but under different circumstances immediately preceding you dying. So, context matters.
When a person is abducted while meeting someone to purchase something the
narrative pushed by the news would be a focus on robbery with a possible abduction.
So, from the start even "us" experiencing foul play will be viewed and treated differently. The crucial first 48 hours of us having gone missing won't be investigated as an abduction scenario until a certain amount of time has passed and they have to draw other conclusions why we vanished.
Giving a predator extracurricular time to cover his tracks and tie up loose ends while everyone thinks you merely are experiencing a mental health crisis.
When in actuality we might be tied up in someone's basement being assaulted and abused. Instead of experiencing a peaceful pre-planned exit with a safe reliable partner.
The whole process of wanting to commit suicide with a partner is shrouded in secrecy so no one finds out and attempts try to subvert our plans.
We are easy targets for psychopaths who can sniff out vulnerable people that are easily manipulated. In the condition most of us are in is a weakened mental state. This is not to imply we aren't thinking clearly about our desire to commit suicide.
I am pro-choice. I don't believe people should be forced to remain alive if they no longer want to. Especially given what some of us have been through and are still going through. Whether mental health or medical related.
I won't encourage anyone to commit suicide but speaking as a person who wants to I refuse to dismiss us as "crazy" for wanting "out" of this sh*tty world and existence.
This topic brings to mind two murders, Todd Kohlhepp and Brady Oestrike to name a few. Todd lured people from online to his property offering them cleaning jobs. Brady also lured people in search of easy money. While the lifestyles of the victims and their circumstances leading up to being entrapped were different they all ended up trusting online predators who gained their trust by appearing like normal everyday people.
Todd Kohlhepp's last and final victims were a couple. He murdered the boyfriend in front of his girlfriend then imprisoned her inside of a shipping crate that sat on his property in the middle of the woods. He tortured her for weeks until she was discovered by the police. Todd Kohlhepp was a successful realtor and businessman. Clean-cut, educated, friendly (according to his neighbors and loved ones).
Brady Oestrike lured a young pregnant woman to his home for intimacy in exchange for money. Let us cast all judgement aside about the context though. She was 18 years old so essentially a child. She didn't deserve to die. Her boyfriend who encouraged her to do this was murdered as well.
Brady like Todd had been planning and proofing their homes to be a killing ground before they found victims. They set out to seek and find vulnerable people. A couple struggling for money so bad they were cleaning homes are vulnerable. They needed money quickly. Just like Brady's victims.
How much easier would it be for future "Todd and Bradys" to discover a population online they don't have to bribe with money to lure them to their killing grounds? We merely want someone to say "yesss" to being willing to "help us die" and die with us.
People like the predators I mentioned are not going to "die with us" though nor honor a suicide pact agreement. They are going to take advantage of us in any way they want.
Whether it be a "thrill kill"or indefinite captivity they will assert their will being done. You will no longer be in control of the experience if they can lure you from the comfort of your home sitting behind a computer out into a neutral place/setting to be preyed on.
If we had went to Todd Kohlhepp's property in the woods under the premise of him, hypothetically offering to be our suicide partner, no one would have know where to look for us because we wouldn't/couldn't share our plan with loved ones. There are other Todd Kohlhepp out here.
While being chained up in his shipping crate hidden in the woods the police would probably still be considering you having had a mental health crisis but not abducted. Your friends and family would have to report your mental health history if you have one.
Which would means your disappearance will be handled in a different way with a different amount of urgency; usually less. In this situation you would be considered the sole cause of your disappearance. Due to mental health issues not a predator. Eventually it might be determined foul play has involved but by then you will either be long gone or confined somewhere.
What if there are Brady Oestrike on here? Predators come in every race, unattractive or unattractive, educational and socioeconomic background. Anyone online can claim they want to find a suicide partner. Talk about their mental health, family, relationship or health problems.
Some of what they say may have elements of truth but as a whole a predator's goal is to portray to you whatever you need to see, hear, experience with them to obtain your [trust]. After that you will be more willing to meet them.
The person on the other side of the screen may fantasize about kidnapping you for a sadistic or simply just murdering another human being for fun. From their perspective, "Hey, we said you wanted to die anyway."
We do but on our terms. We don't want to be brutally murdered or kidnapped but what better prey than a supposed "willing victim". I don't know about you but just because I want to die doesn't mean I want to die in a way I haven't approved of. I would be horrified to be tricked and end up dying by being murdered or tortured.
I don't think we see ourselves as "willing victims" and we aren't "asking for it" but someone who is a predator sees us this way. I hate that people like us who just wants to die with dignity have to be subject to this risk.
Remember, predators who search our forums know someone wanting to commit suicide isn't going to notify loved ones when they set out to meet up with a potential partner.
Where as someone buying a car i.e. would let people know "Hey, found great deal on car. Going to check it out. Talk to you later".
Or a woman/man going on date will tell their friends about the date and the person. " Tonight is the night. His screen name is (Mark86). He is picking me up at this my house around 7pm and we are going to that Thai place I wanted to try. I should be back home by 8pm.
These scenarios would be considered high risk abductions for a predator because other people would most likely know about the meet up and other basic information.
People would be expecting to hear back about:
"whether they bought the item or not"
or
"how the date went".
A suicidal person isn't going to tell people their plans or who it is with. The first 48hrs are crucial to retrieving an abducted person before they may be gone forever or kept indefinitely by a predator.
Predators know this!
We are trying to disappear already. We would help cover the tracks for a predator not wanting loved ones to find out we are going to commit suicide with a willing participant. The whole situation would make their job a lot easier.
They know we are willing to go with them without suspicion or a fight at first. As long as they can hide their true colors long enough to gain your trust and get you to meet them it will be an easy "kill" or "rape" or "kidnapping" for them.
If "they" have to pretend to be depressed for a few weeks or less and tell you some sob story to get you to empathize with them so you wilk trust them enough you will walk right into their spider's web they will commit to whatever persona they need to in order to get you in a vulnerable position where they are the one in control.
The user said (paraphrased) in general, using the internet to meet up with people is inherently dangerous regardless any subgroup. I respectfully disagree.
That person and I are friends so this blip is only to give context. There is no ill will between us. I hope reposting my response will help people to remember to be cautious when meeting people offline.
Sometimes depression and stress can cause you to want to "just get it over with already" but make sure you are aware of all of the inherent risk of meeting up with someone under 'assumed circumstances'.
Comment:
Someone with a history of mental health problems wanting to commit suicide with a partner, someone merely wanting to buy something from an online seller, and someone using a dating website to go on dates, are all different populations online.
So, yes there is inherent risk for all of them but they all aren't as vulnerable as the person using the internet to find a person to commit suicide with. Here is why I think this. It is just my personal opinion.
- They all start out with different circumstantial elements leading up to meeting. The purpose for each is different.
- The narratives in the media will be different if they meet foul play.
For people wanting to commit suicide with a partner if you end up being (abducted or murdered) the narrative pushed by the media at first, will be an assumption it was your mental health that lead to you being unaccounted for not necessarily that foul play has happened.
I would like to point out that going through with a suicide pact and being murdered are not comparable. One situation there is informed consent about how you are willing to die and the other scenario death is forced upon you in a way you didn't consent to. Both lead to death but under different circumstances immediately preceding you dying. So, context matters.
When a person is abducted while meeting someone to purchase something the
narrative pushed by the news would be a focus on robbery with a possible abduction.
So, from the start even "us" experiencing foul play will be viewed and treated differently. The crucial first 48 hours of us having gone missing won't be investigated as an abduction scenario until a certain amount of time has passed and they have to draw other conclusions why we vanished.
Giving a predator extracurricular time to cover his tracks and tie up loose ends while everyone thinks you merely are experiencing a mental health crisis.
When in actuality we might be tied up in someone's basement being assaulted and abused. Instead of experiencing a peaceful pre-planned exit with a safe reliable partner.
The whole process of wanting to commit suicide with a partner is shrouded in secrecy so no one finds out and attempts try to subvert our plans.
We are easy targets for psychopaths who can sniff out vulnerable people that are easily manipulated. In the condition most of us are in is a weakened mental state. This is not to imply we aren't thinking clearly about our desire to commit suicide.
I am pro-choice. I don't believe people should be forced to remain alive if they no longer want to. Especially given what some of us have been through and are still going through. Whether mental health or medical related.
I won't encourage anyone to commit suicide but speaking as a person who wants to I refuse to dismiss us as "crazy" for wanting "out" of this sh*tty world and existence.
This topic brings to mind two murders, Todd Kohlhepp and Brady Oestrike to name a few. Todd lured people from online to his property offering them cleaning jobs. Brady also lured people in search of easy money. While the lifestyles of the victims and their circumstances leading up to being entrapped were different they all ended up trusting online predators who gained their trust by appearing like normal everyday people.
Todd Kohlhepp's last and final victims were a couple. He murdered the boyfriend in front of his girlfriend then imprisoned her inside of a shipping crate that sat on his property in the middle of the woods. He tortured her for weeks until she was discovered by the police. Todd Kohlhepp was a successful realtor and businessman. Clean-cut, educated, friendly (according to his neighbors and loved ones).
Brady Oestrike lured a young pregnant woman to his home for intimacy in exchange for money. Let us cast all judgement aside about the context though. She was 18 years old so essentially a child. She didn't deserve to die. Her boyfriend who encouraged her to do this was murdered as well.
Brady like Todd had been planning and proofing their homes to be a killing ground before they found victims. They set out to seek and find vulnerable people. A couple struggling for money so bad they were cleaning homes are vulnerable. They needed money quickly. Just like Brady's victims.
How much easier would it be for future "Todd and Bradys" to discover a population online they don't have to bribe with money to lure them to their killing grounds? We merely want someone to say "yesss" to being willing to "help us die" and die with us.
People like the predators I mentioned are not going to "die with us" though nor honor a suicide pact agreement. They are going to take advantage of us in any way they want.
Whether it be a "thrill kill"or indefinite captivity they will assert their will being done. You will no longer be in control of the experience if they can lure you from the comfort of your home sitting behind a computer out into a neutral place/setting to be preyed on.
If we had went to Todd Kohlhepp's property in the woods under the premise of him, hypothetically offering to be our suicide partner, no one would have know where to look for us because we wouldn't/couldn't share our plan with loved ones. There are other Todd Kohlhepp out here.
While being chained up in his shipping crate hidden in the woods the police would probably still be considering you having had a mental health crisis but not abducted. Your friends and family would have to report your mental health history if you have one.
Which would means your disappearance will be handled in a different way with a different amount of urgency; usually less. In this situation you would be considered the sole cause of your disappearance. Due to mental health issues not a predator. Eventually it might be determined foul play has involved but by then you will either be long gone or confined somewhere.
What if there are Brady Oestrike on here? Predators come in every race, unattractive or unattractive, educational and socioeconomic background. Anyone online can claim they want to find a suicide partner. Talk about their mental health, family, relationship or health problems.
Some of what they say may have elements of truth but as a whole a predator's goal is to portray to you whatever you need to see, hear, experience with them to obtain your [trust]. After that you will be more willing to meet them.
The person on the other side of the screen may fantasize about kidnapping you for a sadistic or simply just murdering another human being for fun. From their perspective, "Hey, we said you wanted to die anyway."
We do but on our terms. We don't want to be brutally murdered or kidnapped but what better prey than a supposed "willing victim". I don't know about you but just because I want to die doesn't mean I want to die in a way I haven't approved of. I would be horrified to be tricked and end up dying by being murdered or tortured.
I don't think we see ourselves as "willing victims" and we aren't "asking for it" but someone who is a predator sees us this way. I hate that people like us who just wants to die with dignity have to be subject to this risk.
Remember, predators who search our forums know someone wanting to commit suicide isn't going to notify loved ones when they set out to meet up with a potential partner.
Where as someone buying a car i.e. would let people know "Hey, found great deal on car. Going to check it out. Talk to you later".
Or a woman/man going on date will tell their friends about the date and the person. " Tonight is the night. His screen name is (Mark86). He is picking me up at this my house around 7pm and we are going to that Thai place I wanted to try. I should be back home by 8pm.
These scenarios would be considered high risk abductions for a predator because other people would most likely know about the meet up and other basic information.
People would be expecting to hear back about:
"whether they bought the item or not"
or
"how the date went".
A suicidal person isn't going to tell people their plans or who it is with. The first 48hrs are crucial to retrieving an abducted person before they may be gone forever or kept indefinitely by a predator.
Predators know this!
We are trying to disappear already. We would help cover the tracks for a predator not wanting loved ones to find out we are going to commit suicide with a willing participant. The whole situation would make their job a lot easier.
They know we are willing to go with them without suspicion or a fight at first. As long as they can hide their true colors long enough to gain your trust and get you to meet them it will be an easy "kill" or "rape" or "kidnapping" for them.
If "they" have to pretend to be depressed for a few weeks or less and tell you some sob story to get you to empathize with them so you wilk trust them enough you will walk right into their spider's web they will commit to whatever persona they need to in order to get you in a vulnerable position where they are the one in control.
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