Apparently she filled her pockets with stones, walked into a river and drowned. Are we overcomplicating things with all of these technical methods?
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Cluesome
- Apr 5, 2018
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Supposedly some methods are psychologically easier to execute than others, or so they say.
It makes me wondering. Some people are occupying dangerous jobs (to personal life and health), like firefighters, cops, construction workers. Don't they, like, overgo some kind of mental training? And why do they choose this kind of job in the first place?
I don't know what it takes for someone to choose to walk into a river but it's certainly not everyone's cup of... tea.
It makes me wondering. Some people are occupying dangerous jobs (to personal life and health), like firefighters, cops, construction workers. Don't they, like, overgo some kind of mental training? And why do they choose this kind of job in the first place?
I don't know what it takes for someone to choose to walk into a river but it's certainly not everyone's cup of... tea.
HelensNepenthe
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- Jan 17, 2019
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Self-deliverance by walking into a river and drowning by no definition is peaceful. 'Peaceful' is subjective of course. I tend to believe that anyone encountering ways to die would nod their head that drowning would be terrifying. Perhaps with sedatives it would not be Suicide is not technical. Hanging whether it be full suspension or partial suspension is not difficult. Psychologically your survival instinct will push you to not do it.
Virgina tried to go a peaceful route in the early 1910's by ingesting about 6.5 grams of a barbiturate. This lead her to stay in the country side, and avoid persecution of attempting suicide. In England it was illegal to commit suicide. England's Lunacy Act would have either made you serve in prison or go to a mental hospital.
Self-deliverance is not technical. If you're seeking a peaceful route, there are some technicalities that may come up. These are not trivial. Inert gas as a method has been known for 200 years. Hanging has been known since the early 5th century. Shooting yourself in the head is not technical yet there are potential risks of survival.
Virgina tried to go a peaceful route in the early 1910's by ingesting about 6.5 grams of a barbiturate. This lead her to stay in the country side, and avoid persecution of attempting suicide. In England it was illegal to commit suicide. England's Lunacy Act would have either made you serve in prison or go to a mental hospital.
Self-deliverance is not technical. If you're seeking a peaceful route, there are some technicalities that may come up. These are not trivial. Inert gas as a method has been known for 200 years. Hanging has been known since the early 5th century. Shooting yourself in the head is not technical yet there are potential risks of survival.
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a.n.kirillov
velle non discitur
- Nov 17, 2019
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@HelensNepenthe
Virgina tried to go a peaceful route in the early 1910's by ingesting about 6.5 grams of a barbiturate.
Why/ how did she survive?
Virgina tried to go a peaceful route in the early 1910's by ingesting about 6.5 grams of a barbiturate.
Why/ how did she survive?
HelensNepenthe
Thoughtful poster
- Jan 17, 2019
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Leonard Woolf, her husband, saw her unconscious in bed after being gone for a couple of hours. Within hours medical staff received a stomach pump from a nearby hospital. For a lack of better phrasing, Virgina had an interesting battle of mental health problems at an earlier age. They believe that she inherited these problems genetically.
WinterFaust
Shimmer
- Apr 13, 2020
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I actually really wanted to go this way for a while because of her. She was quite the woman and the day she died is pretty significant to me. But I eventually remembered that drowning is a terrible way to go.
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I thought that a lot of her so-called mental health issues were due to being sexually abused?
I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me it is less of the how and more of what I want to avoid. I believe most want to die peacefully. To die without pain if possible, and to die quickly. To not suffer needlessly.
Can you do what she did? Assuming you have access to deep water, a ton of rocks, and something to help you stay at the bottom. I would say yes. But ask yourself why you most likely won't. We all know it is painful.
I believe the reason why this was the method of choice then and not so much now. I think it's the same reason why hanging was more popular back in the day and slowly growing out of fashion now. We know drowning hurts like hell, because there is enough people who survived it.
HelensNepenthe
Thoughtful poster
- Jan 17, 2019
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Her mother, Julia Stephen, died in 1895. Her half sister died in 1897. Her brother died in 1906. There were also rapes by her two half brothers. Her half sister went through an insane asylum with a diagnos of 'imbecile'. There have been close relation studies by Thomas Caramango (and I'm sure others who have researched Woolf) that mental illness stemmed from her maternal grandmother. Woolf expands on this in 'Night and Day'. More expansion on her earlier life is in Roger Fry's biography that she wrote. 'Night and Day' was one of her "keeping it together" novels that attempted to stop her from reaching a point of insanity. You may not know this because the common reading of 'Night and Day' is marriage and suffrage. More details about her child life emerge in her autobiography. There is a comment made that I wish I could reference where she says she is a victim to any authoritative figure or something to that effect.
Woolf is one of my favorite writers. I'm glad to write about her and expand on some knowledge that most do not know about her. A lot of information about Woolf is still in academia research. It's harder to find books on her. One book that I can recommend to understand some perspective is Marion Dell's book on Virginia Woolf ~
(Disclaimer that there are critics who believe that Woof
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Virgina Woolf to Ethel Smyth (1930)
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Drowning.. This thing has been following me since years. The first time was from the biography in a book of Virginia Wolf, which gave me the idea of tying some weight on my body and walking into a lake.
A summer I was cycling along a river when a man was caught by the stream and sunk; he died, while friends couldn't do anything to take him out.
Another summer, while doing calisthenics in a park, a little boy approached me and he told me how his friend drowned in a nearby lake while swimming.
I've been forcing myself to overcome this idea by learning how to trust deep and dark waters and swimming across lakes at daytime and nightime.
A summer I was cycling along a river when a man was caught by the stream and sunk; he died, while friends couldn't do anything to take him out.
Another summer, while doing calisthenics in a park, a little boy approached me and he told me how his friend drowned in a nearby lake while swimming.
I've been forcing myself to overcome this idea by learning how to trust deep and dark waters and swimming across lakes at daytime and nightime.
No. Look up survival stories. You can verify many of their stories just from looking at their neck.
Anyways I'm not even convinced decapitation is painlessly. There is many in the medical community who says you can live up to 30 sec after a guillotine style decapitation.
The only things I think are truly painless are the exit bag method and maybe the night night method. Maybe some others that I haven't heard about.
The problem with the 2 is the exit bag method is a nightmare to setup. And the night night method, I can't find a single point where someone successfully off themselves using that method.
Maybe what can be included is something towards a bomb or something that litterally rally blows up your head. But with a shotgun, there is plenty who survived since it's a bit random where things go. Like the chances are stupid low of survival. But I can't say if you will live in pain for a short while because again it's a bit out of anyone's control where exactly the things go.
Okay I'm just curious as to your sources and opinion because that was the one I felt I was most likely to be able to complete...
I find it better if you just look up the info yourself due to the situation. Like it gives you a better idea and maybe you might think of a new way. As far as the hanging and the ones I heard about, some of the people who survived it was between in the USA and that suicide forest in Japan. The one I remember more of is the forest. It was a number of years back so I don't remember the exact video. But it was a documentary on the forest itself, and they interviewed him mid way through. You can clearly see the marks on his neck like all the others who survived such an event.
What situation? Okay, though. Thanks anyway for the info, I'll try to find something relevant.
Offing yourself. Like if you do it right, you CAN'T do it again. So it is the most important thing to make sure you do right the first time. As my thing says, "Life is temporary, death is permanent".
Like can you off yourself by hanging. There is a high likely if everything lines up and you do the right things. But will you be miserable while dying? And are you OK with the chance of you being miserable while dying? These are things you have to ask yourself. So it's best for you to come to your own conclusion. And this is why I prefer to point people in the right direction than flat out telling them everything if the subject is murky or could sometimes but not always be true.
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