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- Jul 14, 2020
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What are the chances that a civil war erupts or states seceding from the union if one side doesn't accept the election results due to whatever reason?
Lol right? Last time US citizens try to stand up for themselves during the racial issues they all got teargas and attacked. Welcome to freedom.Zero, there won't be a new civil war because the military would make short work of it. Any state that tries to secede will lose Federal funding and be immediately re annexed.
Zero, there won't be a new civil war because the military would make short work of it. Any state that tries to secede will lose Federal funding and be immediately re annexed.
There are no para military groups left that aren't funded by the alphabet agencies. The FBI sweeped all of those up in the 90s and early 00s. The only way I could see a "civil war" happening is between two factions of our own government.This is not how civil war works. The military could become involved or the state could retreat into a comfortable turtle position and the current paramilitary groupings would in fact go hard and war. "States" as individual entities are having their legitimacy eroded, the paramilitary groupings are overlapping heavily with domestic police forces, the national guard, and the military proper. There are multiple examples every day of extra-military extra-police activity being carried out by militia forces.
There are no para military groups left that aren't funded by the alphabet agencies. The FBI sweeped all of those up in the 90s and early 00s. The only way I could see a "civil war" happening is between two factions of our own government.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.This is objectively false.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
American news is controlled disinformation. A small handful of mega corporations own everything.There are more than enough ways for you to search the news, documentary production sites like Vice, Twitter, and so on, to see that within the last week there has been extremely high profile paramilitary activity within the United States. Outside of that week time span there has been Charlottesville and Kenosha to name two.
American news is controlled disinformation. A small handful of mega corporations own everything. I was in Cville during the "riot" and it definitely didn't happen how they say it did.
This is why I don't often discuss politics or religion because people entrench themselves in their beliefs. We could both provide supporting facts or evidence all day long and it'll change nothing.For those who don't believe a civil war will happen- I don't believe any of you have mentioned you think this because you believe the climate doesn't carry with it enough tension. The reasons you are suggesting are that you can't imagine the military, or paramilitary, killing people and being killed, and people forming paramilitary groupings for protection, power, or whatever. What exactly is it that you think happens during civil war?
There is agitation propaganda and money to be made everywhere but to say that you cannot look at it to see that something is happening is complete nonsense. The reason is because you are capable of telling when and why a news agency is slanting their reporting. It isn't that a shooting didn't happen at all it's that gun control is bunk and being used as a political token. Also what happened in cville is what actually happened and to suggest otherwise makes you sound like a lunatic.
This is why I don't often discuss politics or religion because people entrench themselves in their beliefs. We could both provide supporting facts or evidence all day long and it'll change nothing.
So again I'm going to respectfully agree to disagree.
I agree. T/he first part of a civil war is doing something, which now that we're closing on Black Friday becomes less and less. There will be the same groups getting riled and the same groups countering those but that's it. Most people will just watch. The groups that were most active this summer were allowed to do so; once actual "fighting" takes place they back down. Both parties play to their base and let things run for a while until it gets serious. The city I'm near said and did nothing this summer so the groups pushed more. Eventually a point is hit where even those who benefit from chaos will change their stand: Chicago as example; everything was allowed to go on until the money area got hit then the tune of the mayor changed. Most of the US is centrist and the extremes are allowed to flourish in their "areas" but once it starts to spread out they lose support. More people are worried about the economy vs anything else. As the economy recovers, which it will at some point, tensions drop except for the hardcore fringe who will stay a sideshow.I'm sure there will be the small gangs of rioters fighting for the change they believe in, but they'll go home when the army shows up and starts blasting their limbs and heads off.
I don't believe a civil war will happen. If it does, it'll be squashed fast. A footnote in history. A minor inconvenience.
I never said all news is disinformation, a lie is best hidden between two truths. I showed how the media is controlled by a few select corporations thus there is an obvious bias.What actually happened is that you did talk politics and didn't present a compelling argument. You just essentially said that you refuse all news and information as being a conspiracy.
I never said all news is disinformation, a lie is best hidden between two truths. I showed how the media is controlled by a few select corporations thus there is an obvious bias.
As for a "compelling argument" I'm not here to argue with you. You hardly compelled anything by pointing out borderline onion news sites like Vice or social media such as Twitter. Ad hominem attacks such as calling me a lunatic are also a sure fire way to lose ground in any sort of "debate."
I said numerous times that we'll have to agree to disagree.
People seem to be forgetting that the police have not responded and or retreated on more than one occasion in very recent memory because they were threatened by one side or the other and did not have the assets required to engage, sometimes for extended periods of time.
Not a single chance, at least not a "real" civil war, it's much more likely to be an ideological one. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that a civil war is a thing of the past simply because of the state of technology. At least in the US.
I mean, we are talking about a nation that has an armament of weapons capable of, literally, destroying half the planet. that alone is a threat strong enough to scare off any opposition. But let's pretend that nuclear weapons don't exist or the more likely possibility of them never using them against their own country, they still have drone warfare and the most advanced combat jets, combine that with the richest army in the world with near infinite resources...
and let's not even talk about the other indirect ways that technology would make a civil war impossible, like the advanced surveillance technologies, communication and satellites.
But I'm sure that a militia armed with a couple of ar-15 can overpower all of that, COMBINED.
You do know that the police and the military are completely different things, and that the police can't retaliate in a lethal way against a multitude?
My money is on the side that actually wants to have guns and other weapons though.
This is also not how civil war works. People seem to think that the military during civil wars sides with the population. The population is already split because it is a civil war so who sides with who? Do they turtle and let other sides fight? We haven't seen that yet and we've only seen the opposite so far. We are certainly not in a civil war but the point of no return as been reached and there's no going back. As I mentioned in my previous post the erosion of people from positions in the military and police and politic, that was pretty awful to begin with, ends up renewing the ranks with those of a different ethos. The days of "a militia armed with a couple ar-15's" died in the 90's and even then they were more capable than that. Now they have direct ties to the military and police which gives them an immense amount of power. The state will do what it does and side with fascism, no doubt, and anything else is naive and ahistorical.
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Indeed.
Well, you completely ignored my point about technologies, and I never said that the military would stand with the population. seems like you just want to present your position.
So as someone wiser than me said above, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Good luck on the civil war!
You've yet to properly cite or provide anything yourself other than opinion. But apparently your opinion is the only one that matters because everyone else's doesn't even qualify as such.I'm going to have to say that I in fact disagree that much of the posts in this thread even qualify as opinions.
Not a single chance, at least not a "real" civil war, it's much more likely to be an ideological one. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that a civil war is a thing of the past simply because of the state of technology. At least in the US.
I mean, we are talking about a nation that has an armament of weapons capable of, literally, destroying half the planet. that alone is a threat strong enough to scare off any opposition. But let's pretend that nuclear weapons don't exist or the more likely possibility of them never using them against their own country, they still have drone warfare and the most advanced combat jets, combine that with the richest army in the world with near infinite resources...
and let's not even talk about the other indirect ways that technology would make a civil war impossible, like the advanced surveillance technologies, communication and satellites.
But I'm sure that a militia armed with a couple of ar-15 can overpower all of that, COMBINED.