Venting Trying to prevent suicide is something that disgusts me

[FuneralCry]

Because it's only ever prolonging suffering which is something that repulses me, trying to prevent suicide in any way is just something that inflicts harm, it shows a lack of compassion as only the right to die is compassionate.

Suicide is a human right rather than something to be prevented, suicide is self care and something relieving, it means freedom and relief from suffering rather than being such a terrible tragedy that should be prevented.

I think the whole idea that suicide is something that should supposedly be prevented in the first place is due to people's delusions about existence supposedly being "good" disregarding the fact that existence is the source of all harm and torment, without existence one cannot suffer and it's so cruel trying to prolong suffering and supporting the prolonging of suffering.

All humans should be able to instantly escape from this existence when they wish to as that is their right, suicide means peace from pain and safety from harm, if someone wishes to take control over their inevitable fate preventing all future suffering in an existence that was completely unnecessary in the first place then that should be respected, it's insane to me seeing suicide as being worse than suffering.

 

[RichardFirst]

My opinion is that euthanasia should be available, but everything should be done to offer help to those who want to take it. Many people do CTB when it is perhaps not the best option for them, and I actually think that legal euthanasia would actually reduce this. If the individual had to slow down and truly consider the decision, then I feel many would decide not to do it leave those who truly wish to leave with a peaceful way out. That seems the best solution to me.

 

[Huggs]

Institutionalization, which suicide prevention lauds as "treatment" often just makes things worse. I've been in a facility before. The person is sacked with bills and in many cases more trauma. My nightmare is waking up after my attempt.

 

[RichardFirst]

Institutionalization, which suicide prevention lauds as "treatment" often just makes things worse. I've been in a facility before. The person is sacked with bills and in many cases more trauma. My nightmare is waking up after my attempt.

I visited a friend in a psych ward. It was a terrifying place, and I left with one salient thought in my head; namely, that someone was making a fortune out of keeping those poor souls alive.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

My opinion is that euthanasia should be available, but everything should be done to offer help to those who want to take it. Many people do CTB when it is perhaps not the best option for them, and I actually think that legal euthanasia would actually reduce this. If the individual had to slow down and truly consider the decision, then I feel many would decide not to do it leave those who truly wish to leave with a peaceful way out. That seems the best solution to me.

I actually disagree.

If euthanasia was easily available, cheap, reliable and completely peaceful?

I think there would be massive numbers of people availing of it.

There is huge amounts of unhappiness in this world, but only a fraction of those people consider suicide as a realistic choice. And we all know the myriad of reasons for this - but the biggest ones being societal stigma and fear.

If you eliminate many of these factors by making suicide a much easier and more socially acceptable choice, many more of those unhappy people will consider it.

And I think you are perhaps underestimating just how deeply many people have thought about their suicide. Studies very often show, that people have had these feelings for quite a long time before attempting.

 

[whywere]

I am 100% pro-choice, which means it is up to the person and absolutely no one else. With that said, I am a very firm believer in the aspect of sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, asking, helping, add whatever word or words one wants to, make sure that someone who is either contemplating or is going to actually try and go through with it, that it is NOT a knee jerk reaction to whatever set everything in motion.

Case in point, both my suicide attempts were because of my ex-wife who loved slot machines more than life itself. Especially the 2nd time, after I discovered that she had taken a lot of money out of the checking account, darn near drained the account, and blew it in a casino, I had a complete meltdown. In fact, I cannot remember parts of that afternoon and evening after I discovered what had happened and it was like a dream until, I was getting dragged out to the ambulance. If I would have had someone there, and he/she talking to me about what not only had happened in regard to the financial situation, but on how to try and deal with it, whether I would have gone down the road of ctb or not, I will never know, BUT I sure would have loved the option of talking and trying to sort through things instead of trying to off myself.

So, preventing suicide? maybe not, but it is one and done and no second thoughts. Just make darn sure that it is the right thing and not a spur of the moment, highly emotional act.

Walter

 

[Worndown]

Even here I chat with people looking to ctb because of issues that are treatable or can be overcome.
If there is a way to get them out of the situation that is pushing them toward an early death, I will let them know. It is still their choice to die or try to live.
This site allows everyone to get information. Information lets you make the choices best for you.

 

[Hotsackage]

I live in oblivion, and it suits me quite well.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I am 100% pro-choice, which means it is up to the person and absolutely no one else. With that said, I am a very firm believer in the aspect of sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, asking, helping, add whatever word or words one wants to, make sure that someone who is either contemplating or is going to actually try and go through with it, that it is NOT a knee jerk reaction to whatever set everything in motion.

Case in point, both my suicide attempts were because of my ex-wife who loved slot machines more than life itself. Especially the 2nd time, after I discovered that she had taken a lot of money out of the checking account, darn near drained the account, and blew it in a casino, I had a complete meltdown. In fact, I cannot remember parts of that afternoon and evening after I discovered what had happened and it was like a dream until, I was getting dragged out to the ambulance. If I would have had someone there, and he/she talking to me about what not only had happened in regard to the financial situation, but on how to try and deal with it, whether I would have gone down the road of ctb or not, I will never know, BUT I sure would have loved the option of talking and trying to sort through things instead of trying to off myself.

So, preventing suicide? maybe not, but it is one and done and no second thoughts. Just make darn sure that it is the right thing and not a spur of the moment, highly emotional act.

Walter

Yeah, there is certainly nothing wrong with helping to calm someone down who might be reacting in a highly emotional manner to some stressful life event - who might not be thinking completely clearly in that moment. I would always encourage and advocate for this.

However, there can often be a multitude of factors that are pushing someone towards considering ctb. Then some stressful life event triggers all of those other worries and issues to the surface in that moment.

In your example, perhaps it was only about your wife throwing money away on those slot machines and nothing else was really bothering you in your life.

But for a lot of people considering ctb, a stressful moment like that would be more of a final "straw that broke the camel's back" sort of situation if you get where I'm coming from? They were already very unhappy, and then this big stressful moment in their life comes along and brings them to breaking point.

Of course they should try to calm down and think clearly about everything. But this should not invalidate their thoughts of wishing to ctb.

Yes, there are some people who ctb in a highly emotional state who might have made a different choice in that moment. But these people may still ctb again in the future, and their problems very often can run a lot deeper than what we realise.

Overall, compelling everyone who is suicidal to calm down and think rationally is not a bad idea. It will definitely help some people - so it is the right thing to do.

But at the same time, I do not believe it is some magic bullet to reducing suicide rates in society overall.

I still think suicide rates would go up rather than down, if we had easier access to peaceful and reliable methods with less social stigma around the issue.

But I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. Because like you, I believe in a person's right to choice and full autonomy over their own life and body.

 

[RichardFirst]

I actually disagree.

If euthanasia was easily available, cheap, reliable and completely peaceful?

I think there would be massive numbers of people availing of it.

There is huge amounts of unhappiness in this world, but only a fraction of those people consider suicide as a realistic choice. And we all know the myriad of reasons for this - but the biggest ones being societal stigma and fear.

If you eliminate many of these factors by making suicide a much easier and more socially acceptable choice, many more of those unhappy people will consider it.

And I think you are perhaps underestimating just how deeply many people have thought about their suicide. Studies very often show, that people have had these feelings for quite a long time before attempting.

I was perhaps a little unclear. I don't think that legal euthanasia would reduce suicide. Rather, I think that it would (if implemented correctly) prevent panic suicides as the individual would have to consider what they are doing whilst applying for MAID. Overall, it would of course cause a spike in suicide.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I was perhaps a little unclear. I don't think that legal euthanasia would reduce suicide. Rather, I think that it would (if implemented correctly) prevent panic suicides as the individual would have to consider what they are doing whilst applying for MAID. Overall, it would of course cause a spike in suicide.

Yes, sorry I probably did slightly misinterpret what you were trying to say.