Dysgenic Pup
A canine that’s not so heavenly.
- Sep 18, 2021
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Just interested. I only expect civilized, level-headed discussion to ensue in this thread.
Bleeding heart, die-hard, red-blooded capitalist here. I'm willing to die on this God blessed hill.
That's what I want to hear! Communists/socialists want to take this away from you...Rather be dead than red.
Yeah that is so much better than nationalized infrastructure, and industry, where things are produced at no more than it costs to produce the initial goods, and there is no profit motive. I am so glad a gallon of gas costs $5.00, and a house costs close to one mil. That's much better than free public housing, and tuition free colleges. I love my student debtThat's what I want to hear! Communists/socialists want to take this away from you...
You know I have always been in support of your theocratic endeavors.@Heavenly Pup Thoughts on me instating a theocracy in place for the global order?
Communism basics 101:I've found that I've always been too dumb to form an opinion.
I can't form opinions unless I have an in depth understanding and I don't have enough energy, time, or intelligence to ever know what I think about all this.
Corruption and drugs have ruined a lot of capitalist nations. If they weren't so corrupt, they might legalize/regulate drugs, and then there wouldn't be any illegal profits to be had in drug dealing.My country is ruined because of the corruption and drug trafficking but the government always had a socialist/communist position and it made me feel disgusted towards the "left". It's what I feel.
I'm from Venezuela. I left the country in 2017.Corruption and drugs have ruined a lot of capitalist nations. If they weren't so corrupt, they might legalize drugs, and then there wouldn't be any illegal profits to be had in drug dealing.
Do you mind if I ask what country you come from?
The situation there is unfortunate.I'm from Venezuela. I left the country in 2017.
The government just rejected all the humanitarian help other countries offered them... So unfair.
You do know people owned stuff in communist countries like the USSR or Cuba, right?I like my stuff.
Did you ever question why people have more stuff than you? They didn't literally go to work to build and labor for what they have. They didn't get what they have by being the hardest working, or the smartest person.To me, the only appeal of communism to me is to spite people who have more stuff than me. I'm not knocking it, but I wish more people would just admit that it only seems better because most people who like it think it will give them more instead of less.
I see, so he'd rather die than share. That's usually the case with bourgeois rent seeking parasites. I can promise you, no one wants your junk.I'll just do what my great grandfather did and kill myself just like he did once the Chinese Communist Party took the land that had been in our family for generations. I don't have any land now but I do have some neat collector stuff.
He who doesn't work, doesn't eat... or is sent to do forced manual labor with other criminals. If you admit to being a welfare fraud and cheat, that is a serious crime. If however you have a legitimate health problem, then public healthcare would make sure are taken care of. Public housing would ensure you don't go homeless.I'd do zero work and leech off the government in every way I could. I already kind of do that to an extent with various programs California provides but you can bet if it became more expansive I'd be using it even more selfishly. Good thing that probably won't happen anytime soon or at least not before I intend to CTB anyway.
Well if you're not medically or mentally disabled, you have to work. If you are taking advantage of ssi, then you have been deemed legitimately disabled in some capacity. These corporations you simp for, are trying very hard to lobby the government to make sure those programs don't exist. They would rather die in the street, like wounded livestock that is no longer able to fulfill a useful function than pay one red cent in taxes so that you can be sit around and be an unproductive lumpen.Capitalism also stinks but I just don't like the idea of having to work at all whether or not it's earned.
I highly doubt that. If you are on food stamps, and ssi, then these are what pay for your food and housing, the real creature comforts. No corporation is going to give you anything, except indirectly as a beneficiary of some charity they support.At least certain corporations have done more for me than any other entity in terms of providing me things that grant me comfort though.
You will when you find yourself unable to afford a place to live, or needing an operation which your shitty public healthcare won't pay for. I have been on medi-cal before. I know it won't pay for everything. Just hope you don't get sick and need an expensive operation.Does that make it okay to do [insert bad capitalist thing here]? Probably not but I guess I just don't care.
Do you think that is how it happened in Cuba? No, there was a violent revolution and the poor workers took it from them by force. Then proceeded to murder all the capitalists.As for abolishing capitalism, it's not like these powerful rich people are just going to sit quietly and hand over all their gains just because some people feel bad so the way I see it I might as well be more under their favor than anything else.
You're talking about capitalism, right?Discussing this is completely worthless, especially on the internet. Feels even worse than talking to hardcore religious fundamentalists.
Hmm... anecdotes aren't evidence of anything, so pics or it didn't happen.Ultimately, I'll be much more open to the side that didn't kidnaped and murdered friends and family members and terrorized my country for 70 years...
Might help if you let us know what country it is you are referring to. And a way to substantiate your claims that your friends and family were in fact kidnapped and murdered.But I'm just a CIA agent spreading propaganda, so take my life experience with a grain of salt.
But what if one day I want to be a greedy landlord or entrepreneur? Seems like the closest thing to my dream job at least.You do know people owned stuff in communist countries like the USSR or Cuba, right?
No private ownership just means all land is public land, all factories and utilities, etc are publicly owned, democratically operated. This means in practice a landlord can't extort you for cash, and greedy entrepreneurs can't charge you a %5000 markup on something that cost them pennies to make.
They definitely were more hard working and/or smarter than me, but that's not a hard feat to achieve. Even someone who inherits everything still has to deal with the social aspect of networking and stuff when it comes to owning businesses and I'm too useless even for that.Did you ever question why people have more stuff than you? They didn't literally go to work to build and labor for what they have. They didn't get what they have by being the hardest working, or the smartest person.
I can understand that some people are just jealous, because I'm one of them. I may not have much but I don't want to share.If you don't understand how a system is rigged, so that you can never have as much stuff as the people who have the most, because they don't want to share, then I don't think you understand what could cause poor workers to revolt and kill all the greedy capitalists, and then agree to share what they have among themselves.
The land he owned was for his farm, which he worked in along with the rest of my family at the time. There was no rent going around.I see, so he'd rather die than share. That's usually the case with bourgeois rent seeking parasites. I can promise you, no one wants your junk.
I am fine with programs like that being a thing but I'm just saying that if I get money to spend whatever I want with, then even basic necessities will be forgone for my own selfish greed and that's what I imagine a lot of people would abuse such programs for as well. Like the people I know who have jobs and even live in upper middle class areas and still whine about capitalism because they can't get a PS5. This doesn't even have to be a lot of people but if there are even a few leeches or parasites like me out there then that kind of system already fails. Not to say the current system is perfect or even good but it's at least better at pretending to work for now.He who doesn't work, doesn't eat... or is sent to do forced manual labor with other criminals. If you admit to being a welfare fraud and cheat, that is a serious crime. If however you have a legitimate health problem, then public healthcare would make sure are taken care of. Public housing would ensure you don't go homeless.
Well the corporations in particular I was talking about are entertainment like Nintendo or Disney, neither of whom are free from corporate practices but I just don't care because I consumed products that made me happy. Same for McDonald's, Starbucks, or most other food corporations. They made me happy in ways organized religion, my own family, friends, or the government never really could at least on a net level. They gave me joy while yes that joy was fleeting and hollow, it's at least something to be given the illusion of escape, at least in my opinion…Well if you're not medically or mentally disabled, you have to work. If you are taking advantage of ssi, then you have been deemed legitimately disabled in some capacity. These corporations you simp for, are trying very hard to lobby the government to make sure those programs don't exist. They would rather die in the street, like wounded livestock that is no longer able to fulfill a useful function than pay one red cent in taxes so that you can be sit around and be an unproductive lumpen.
I agree Medi-Cal sucks, because I should just be allowed to ignore my own health and die instead of being forced to process documents over health care I don't even want. I don't want health care for myself and if I did come across some disease or need for surgery I'd rather just accept my doom. Besides I don't know why you're so fixated on health care when it's perfectly possible for countries to have public health care while still being capitalist. In fact, most of the countries with access to it are.You will when you find yourself unable to afford a place to live, or needing an operation which your shitty public healthcare won't pay for. I have been on medi-cal before. I know it won't pay for everything. Just hope you don't get sick and need an expensive operation.
That sounds even worse and is not a good thing to mention if you want people to like communism.Do you think that is how it happened in Cuba? No, there was a violent revolution and the poor workers took it from them by force. Then proceeded to murder all the capitalists.
You're talking about capitalism, right?
Hmm... anecdotes aren't evidence of anything, so pics or it didn't happen.
Say, these friends and family of yours wouldn't happen to be bourgeois capitalists, or rent seeking parasites, now would they? Religious clergy maybe?
Might help if you let us know what country it is you are referring to. And a way to substantiate your claims that your friends and family were in fact kidnapped and murdered.
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to do that. Nor would it matter, because all of the things you would normally need money for, would be free.But what if one day I want to be a greedy landlord or entrepreneur? Seems like the closest thing to my dream job at least.
I dint think you quite understand what socialism is if you think that means having to share your stuff. Everyone gets their own stuff.I can understand that some people are just jealous, because I'm one of them. I may not have much but I don't want to share.
I don't know as much about the Chinese revolution, but at least in the ussr, they let farmers continue living in and working the land that had been theirs. Local farms were organized into collectives, and they were given modern industrial farming equipment to use, which made their jobs both easier and more efficient.The land he owned was for his farm, which he worked in along with the rest of my family at the time. There was no rent going around.
Nobody wants your stuff. They want their own stuff. Even in a socialist country like the ussr, everybody had their own stuff.I wish people wouldn't want my stuff but the fun thing about people is that somebody somewhere out there does. I don't have to know who but I don't really care because I still don't want to have to give any of it or even any money I make to these hypothetical people.
I don't think you understand. In socialism all the basic necessities would be provided for you. So there is no need to forgo the basic necessities. That way any money you do make, you are free to spend on whatever you want.I am fine with programs like that being a thing but I'm just saying that if I get money to spend whatever I want with, then even basic necessities will be forgone for my own selfish greed and that's what I imagine a lot of people would abuse such programs for as well.
Not sure what this has to do with anything... if a person works their ass off, and they still can't afford to meet all their basic needs and have extra spending money, then that's because the cost of living and inflation, is outpacing pacing worker wages. These are problems with capitalism.Like the people I know who have jobs and even live in upper middle class areas and still whine about capitalism because they can't get a PS5.
Unless you're physically or mentally disabled, in a socialist context, you would be required to work. That's specifically to prevent leaches and parasites from taking advantage.This doesn't even have to be a lot of people but if there are even a few leeches or parasites like me out there then that kind of system already fails. Not to say the current system is perfect or even good but it's at least better at pretending to work for now.
"Your house", you mean your parents house don't you? The money your sister gets doesn't keep you housed. Your parents do. Something tells me they probably work, because disability is not that much money. It could hardly support you and your sister.I wanna be clear that I'm not engaged in any fraudulent activity. The money that comes to my house is perfectly legal within what the state of California allows for my disabled sister but even with that, the fact that it keeps me housed means they're just supporting evil.
You completely missed my point here. They don't do it for free.Well the corporations in particular I was talking about are entertainment like Nintendo or Disney, neither of whom are free from corporate practices but I just don't care because I consumed products that made me happy. Same for McDonald's, Starbucks, or most other food corporations. They made me happy in ways organized religion, my own family, friends, or the government never really could at least on a net level. They gave me joy while yes that joy was fleeting and hollow, it's at least something to be given the illusion of escape, at least in my opinion…
If you don't work, if your money comes from your parents, or from the government, then you aren't paying them to do anything. Your parents, the government, etc. are. You don't actually pay for anything. And if you weren't able to leach off your parents, or the system, you wouldn't be able to afford any of that.I get that they don't always want me sitting around much but at least they'd prefer me sitting around if I'm also paying them to do it whereas the other alternative is to not get to sit around and have to work.
What? That makes no sense. If you don't want it, don't process the paperwork.I agree Medi-Cal sucks, because I should just be allowed to ignore my own health and die instead of being forced to process documents over health care I don't even want.
So then let your healthcare lapse, and then don't fill out any more forms. I really doubt that if you had a very painful condition that would kill you slowly that you would just sit there and do nothing. You don't even have the mental fortitude to work a job. If you have an aversion to doing things that are uncomfortable for you, then I'll guess you also have a low threshold for pain.I don't want health care for myself and if I did come across some disease or need for surgery I'd rather just accept my doom.
What's your point?Besides I don't know why you're so fixated on health care when it's perfectly possible for countries to have public health care while still being capitalist. In fact, most of the countries with access to it are.
I guess since you live at home, and are shielded from the realities of what it is to have to work for a living, that you probably wouldn't understand. When you are overworked, and you still can't afford anything, with nothing to lose, revolution becomes an attractive alternative.That sounds even worse and is not a good thing to mention if you want people to like communism.
That line sorta loses its meaning on a suicide forum ;)Rather be dead than red.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, only a fucking commie would be as heartless as to deny the tragedies of another human being, on a suicide forum lmao. I have nothing to gain from lying, but who knows, maybe a few "uwu am sowy that happened to you" comments can bring people back to life, or cure me even.
Also, nice to see that you tried to dehumanize them by assuming that they are the kind of people you hate, almost as if you want to justify their murders.
I live in Colombia, the most violent shithole in latin america. You can read about it from whatever source you want, it's undeniable that there's a war going on even to this day and it is politically motivated. The ones who committed those horrible crimes against my family were also the ones spewing the same bullshit ideology you love so much.
But, sure buddy. I'll dox myself just so you can pull your mental gymnastics and somehow arrive at the same conclusion about your religion.
If you really want to learn about economics, educate yourself by seeking information from experts, and be prepared to have your preconceptions challenged and invalidated.
If you want to start a virtual melee, ask a bunch of anonymous users (the most emphatic of which invariably have little/no knowledge of the subject matter) on a suicide forum to share their convictions on economics/politics.
Huh? Cites, please. Is this the civilized discussion you were referring to?So basically in translation, you're calling me a disingenuous, low-life, revolting, vulgar, worthless, nasty, impolite, arrogant, thoughtless, inconsiderate, belligerent, callous, cowardly, self-centered, vain, silly, cruel, nasty, foolish, patronizing, careless, pompous, little maggot?
Huh? Cites, please. Is this the civilized discussion you were referring to?
If you really want to learn about economics, educate yourself by seeking information from experts, and be prepared to have your preconceptions challenged and invalidated.
If you want to start a virtual melee, ask a bunch of anonymous users (the most emphatic of which invariably have little/no knowledge of the subject matter) on a suicide forum to share their conviction
That's what I want to hear! Communists/socialists want to take this away from you...
s on economics/politics.