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Michi_Violeta

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Hey everyone, it's been a while since I've posted here. Suicidal ideation went down for a bit even though things haven't really improved, I've just been distracted by a few positive things that sadly don't outweigh the bad, and now I'm again considering ctb as the way forward.

I live in a country without firearms or trains. Not sure about the availability of SN, but before knowing of its existence I found out about amitriptyline and was able to get 120 25 mg pills and I'd rather not try and get SN in case my stupid subconscious mind gets in the way of my decision when facing another obstacle. I've read the section on the PPH about amitriptyline and it says it's effective, but it has relatively low scores nevertheless. It also says it's not a peaceful death, but then says you should be unconscious in 15 mins. For some reason it also recommends alcohol, but the time specified in the protocol doesn't seem long enough for alcohol to kick in (at least from my experience in my happy drinking days).

Do you guys know of cases in which it has worked? Has anyone tried and failed with this method? Will it be too painful if I do it without the benzos as recommended by the PPH since those would probably be harder to get? Would alcohol be a good replacement as a sedative and, in that case, when should I take it. And, more importantly, in case I fail, will there be any long-term physical or mental damage?
 
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Why would you overdose on amitriptyline, where do you even live? Have you not looked for any source of SN? I know one that ships worldwide not sure if that means to your country as well. I also know a source for benzos, I think it is quite expensive though. As for the alcohol, I think it'll suffice as a sedative if you got no other option. You should take it before you take the pills. It'll all depend on your age, weight, and height. Meds take time to be fully absorbed into the body if you're a larger person.
 
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Why would you overdose on amitriptyline, where do you even live? Have you not looked for any source of SN? I know one that ships worldwide not sure if that means to your country as well. I also know a source for benzos, I think it is quite expensive though. As for the alcohol, I think it'll suffice as a sedative if you got no other option. You should take it before you take the pills. It'll all depend on your age, weight, and height. Meds take time to be fully absorbed into the body if you're a larger person.
Colombia. I haven't looked for a source of SN because every step towards ctb still feels heavy, particularly since I've been feeling "better", but the pain was enough to get the amitriptyline a month or so ago. Depending on how things keep going I may gather the determination to get SN, but I still feel more comfortable going with that I've got unless it's not an effective and reliable way of ctb.
 
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Colombia. I haven't looked for a source of SN because every step towards ctb still feels heavy, particularly since I've been feeling "better", but the pain was enough to get the amitriptyline a month or so ago. Depending on how things keep going I may gather the determination to get SN, but I still feel more comfortable going with that I've got unless it's not an effective and reliable way of ctb.
I guess it's effective, but quite painful. SN would be better in your case. You don't have to make that decision yet. See how things turn out for you, if the pain doesn't stop after a while. Then I recommend SN, a lot of people choose that as their method on here. It's not that painful, but you'll need to read more about so you don't fail.
 
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I guess it's effective, but quite painful. SN would be better in your case. You don't have to make that decision yet. See how things turn out for you, if the pain doesn't stop after a while. Then I recommend SN, a lot of people choose that as their method on here. It's not that painful, but you'll need to read more about so you don't fail.

Thank you for your reply and recommendations. I guess I'll keep it as a plan B for an emergency scenario, but I'll better start looking for SN then. It's so disheartening that even a peaceful death is too much to ask out of life, but apparently so is being loved and being able to follow a silly childhood dream. I really don't want to see how things turn out, I'm too tired to keep being life's toy.

By reading more about SN, do you mean the PPH or are there any other useful resources?
 
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Thank you for your reply and recommendations. I guess I'll keep it as a plan B for an emergency scenario, but I'll better start looking for SN then. It's so disheartening that even a peaceful death is too much to ask out of life, but apparently so is being loved and being able to follow a silly childhood dream. I really don't want to see how things turn out, I'm too tired to keep being life's toy.

By reading more about SN, do you mean the PPH or are there any other useful resources?
You're welcome. It is quite sad that a peaceful death isn't accessible to many and I'm sorry that you're feeling like that. I know how terrible that feeling is.

Uh read the section about SN in the PPH, I think it starts at page 122? Not exactly sure but read more about it on there. If you want to ask me any questions, you can always DM me. I'm not the smartest but I might help or you could ask around. Plenty of people are here to help. I hope things feel better soon for you <3
 
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There is at least one (possibly legit, not certain) source for amitriptyline that I know of. I can't say I recommend it, though. Death often takes 24-48 hours, and the risk of vomiting even with an antiemetic seems fairly high owing to the sheer number of pills one must ingest. And from what I know, it's possible to reawaken after the initial period of unconsciousness and potentially experience some of the symptoms.
 
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IMPORTANT UPDATE: Today I tried calling a few companies selling chemicals and apparently nobody carries SN in their inventory. I saw it listed on the website of one company and calmly, even cheerfully, said I was taking cooking lessons and was learning how to cure meat. No dice. I'll try calling again tomorrow, but such a niche product is hard to find in this country: we don't really have a tradition of curing meats since there are no seasons and traditionally we don't need to conserve food.

I'll keep trying, but honestly I'm worried that I may have to rely on amitriptyline. Are there any ways to improve its effects or reduce the pain? From what I read on the PPH it's supposed to be painless but, of course, I'm more interested in personal experiences and community knowledge. I know that, like with SN, you need to take an antiemetic and I think I already found a local source of metoclopramide, but finding sedatives will prove harder so I'm also curious about what other substances I could take to reduce or dull the pain.

Please, any input is appreciated. I'm not being stubborn and I'm not yet fully convinced of using amitriptyline to ctb, but it's the only effective tool at my disposal.
 
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I have previously taken a nortriptyline OD, so not amitriptyline, but very very similar. I think I took around 800 mg (not sure how toxicity differs between the 2), alongside minor amounts of citalopram, prochlorperazine and promethazine (aka different to the protocol). I took the overdose to self harm, not to ctb, so I can't advise on that aspect of it.

From what I remember, the taste was absolutely horrid (I had been taking it as migraine medication, and beforehand I was on amitriptyline, which iirc has a similar taste), to the point where I didn't finish taking the rest of the other medications I had as I felt so nauseous.

I was taken to the hospital probably just over an hour after I finished taking the tablets, so again, can't really say much about what the dying process is like, but I guess I can comment on the effects of an OD. Basically, I got taken to A&E, I remember not wanting to speak to the receptionist and asking my dad to do it whilst I went toilet. This was my last clear memory. I then vaguely remember waiting to be triaged as well as being called by the triage nurse, but after that I have no recollection of anything that happened until around 36 hours after.

From what I've been told, the second the triage nurse saw I had taken a tricylic antidepressant OD, I got sent straight through to treatment. During this time, I had moderately reduced consciousness, but with a normal brain CT scan. I did have a couple of grand mal seizures, which caused issues with my lungs. I did not have any issues with my kidneys. Other than some issues with malnutrition and inflammation caused by the OD, my bloods were fine.

My memories are patchy from just after the 36 hour point that I can't remember at all. I remember initially being completely unable to move because of how badly I was shaking (i.e. unable to control my whole body), including the fact I vaguely remember triggering a seizure because the nurse made me try get up to go toilet. If I wasn't trying to move, the shakes weren't an issue though. I was very much still out of it - I was still in A&E at the time, where you get moved around the different sections a lot and it felt like I would blink and find myself in a different area (as I was very confused and struggling to stay awake).

I was in A&E for 1 night (the bit I was unaware of), before being moved onto a ward shortly after I regained consciousness. The shakes quickly got better to the point where I was able to be transferred into a wheelchair some hours after and then stand with support for an x-ray. Probably at the 48 hour mark, I could walk again, but I was still very unsteady from the shaking and could only walk very short distances (i.e. from my bed to the bathroom directly opposite.)

I was on the ward for 2 more nights, as I had quite bad tachycardia (to be fair, this didn't have much effect on me as I wouldn't have realised my heart rate was off if I wasn't hooked up to a monitor). I remember it being very noisy (most of the other patients in my bay had dementia/delirium). The psych liason came to see me and cleared me to go home (luckily for me I have an EUPD diagnosis on my records, which in this case made my mh team view me as attention-seeking, so they refused to act on me harming myself).

I think the main effect on my health was the fact that the lung issues caused what the doctors treated as aspiration pneumonia. Again I didn't really notice this physically, but I did have to take stupidly high doses of several antibiotics for a bit after being discharged, which was horrid.

Being completely honest, if I hadn't thrown away my nortriptyline stockpile in a moment of wanting to recover from self-harm, I would probably do it again. For me, other than the complete loss of dignity from being completely reliant on others for a little bit, it allowed me to get the peace from my brain that I so desperately needed and I wasn't left with any physical harm after a week or so of recovery. However, there is always the risk of permanent damage when doing something like this (i.e. I could've gotten off lucky by not suffering long-term harm, you might not, especially as you wouldn't get prompt medical help like I did if you're trying to ctb). Also, the experience was deeply traumatic for those around me (especially in the 36 hours I was at my most unwell) and still affects them to this day over a year later - I'm unsure what your relationship with others are, but if they found you/saw you unwell from the OD, it would probably have a significant impact on your relationship. I personally had to stop taking promethazine afterwards because it reminded me too much of the OD (as it was the last tablet I took) and the smell of nortriptyline would give me flashbacks to taking the tablets.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend this as a method to ctb. The amount of time it takes to die is rather long, and if you were conscious, from the amount I suffered initially with prompt medical intervention, I can guarantee it really isn't going to be pleasant if you're waiting for it to kill you and will instead be very difficult to wait out. I would recommend taking time to research other options and see if there's anything that might be better.

I fear I may have gone on a bit too much and most of this is irrelevant given that I wasn't attempting suicide, but hopefully this gives some insight into what surviving a tricyclic antidepressant OD might look like :)
 
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I have previously taken a nortriptyline OD, so not amitriptyline, but very very similar. I think I took around 800 mg (not sure how toxicity differs between the 2), alongside minor amounts of citalopram, prochlorperazine and promethazine (aka different to the protocol). I took the overdose to self harm, not to ctb, so I can't advise on that aspect of it.

From what I remember, the taste was absolutely horrid (I had been taking it as migraine medication, and beforehand I was on amitriptyline, which iirc has a similar taste), to the point where I didn't finish taking the rest of the other medications I had as I felt so nauseous.

I was taken to the hospital probably just over an hour after I finished taking the tablets, so again, can't really say much about what the dying process is like, but I guess I can comment on the effects of an OD. Basically, I got taken to A&E, I remember not wanting to speak to the receptionist and asking my dad to do it whilst I went toilet. This was my last clear memory. I then vaguely remember waiting to be triaged as well as being called by the triage nurse, but after that I have no recollection of anything that happened until around 36 hours after.

From what I've been told, the second the triage nurse saw I had taken a tricylic antidepressant OD, I got sent straight through to treatment. During this time, I had moderately reduced consciousness, but with a normal brain CT scan. I did have a couple of grand mal seizures, which caused issues with my lungs. I did not have any issues with my kidneys. Other than some issues with malnutrition and inflammation caused by the OD, my bloods were fine.

My memories are patchy from just after the 36 hour point that I can't remember at all. I remember initially being completely unable to move because of how badly I was shaking (i.e. unable to control my whole body), including the fact I vaguely remember triggering a seizure because the nurse made me try get up to go toilet. If I wasn't trying to move, the shakes weren't an issue though. I was very much still out of it - I was still in A&E at the time, where you get moved around the different sections a lot and it felt like I would blink and find myself in a different area (as I was very confused and struggling to stay awake).

I was in A&E for 1 night (the bit I was unaware of), before being moved onto a ward shortly after I regained consciousness. The shakes quickly got better to the point where I was able to be transferred into a wheelchair some hours after and then stand with support for an x-ray. Probably at the 48 hour mark, I could walk again, but I was still very unsteady from the shaking and could only walk very short distances (i.e. from my bed to the bathroom directly opposite.)

I was on the ward for 2 more nights, as I had quite bad tachycardia (to be fair, this didn't have much effect on me as I wouldn't have realised my heart rate was off if I wasn't hooked up to a monitor). I remember it being very noisy (most of the other patients in my bay had dementia/delirium). The psych liason came to see me and cleared me to go home (luckily for me I have an EUPD diagnosis on my records, which in this case made my mh team view me as attention-seeking, so they refused to act on me harming myself).

I think the main effect on my health was the fact that the lung issues caused what the doctors treated as aspiration pneumonia. Again I didn't really notice this physically, but I did have to take stupidly high doses of several antibiotics for a bit after being discharged, which was horrid.

Being completely honest, if I hadn't thrown away my nortriptyline stockpile in a moment of wanting to recover from self-harm, I would probably do it again. For me, other than the complete loss of dignity from being completely reliant on others for a little bit, it allowed me to get the peace from my brain that I so desperately needed and I wasn't left with any physical harm after a week or so of recovery. However, there is always the risk of permanent damage when doing something like this (i.e. I could've gotten off lucky by not suffering long-term harm, you might not, especially as you wouldn't get prompt medical help like I did if you're trying to ctb). Also, the experience was deeply traumatic for those around me (especially in the 36 hours I was at my most unwell) and still affects them to this day over a year later - I'm unsure what your relationship with others are, but if they found you/saw you unwell from the OD, it would probably have a significant impact on your relationship. I personally had to stop taking promethazine afterwards because it reminded me too much of the OD (as it was the last tablet I took) and the smell of nortriptyline would give me flashbacks to taking the tablets.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend this as a method to ctb. The amount of time it takes to die is rather long, and if you were conscious, from the amount I suffered initially with prompt medical intervention, I can guarantee it really isn't going to be pleasant if you're waiting for it to kill you and will instead be very difficult to wait out. I would recommend taking time to research other options and see if there's anything that might be better.

I fear I may have gone on a bit too much and most of this is irrelevant given that I wasn't attempting suicide, but hopefully this gives some insight into what surviving a tricyclic antidepressant OD might look like :)

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience in detail and at length. I'll have to look up the difference between nortriptyline and amitriptyline, I'm no chemist so any input on this matter would be very appreciated.

Sorry you had to go through all that pain and such s complicated process, self-harm is a complicated topic. Are you still planning to ctb after that experience?
 
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Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience in detail and at length. I'll have to look up the difference between nortriptyline and amitriptyline, I'm no chemist so any input on this matter would be very appreciated.

Sorry you had to go through all that pain and such s complicated process, self-harm is a complicated topic. Are you still planning to ctb after that experience?
I'm not much of a chemist either, but from what I know they're both tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs), so they're very similar in their overall effect on the body. I think I remember my neurologist telling me that amitriptyline is a tertiary TCA whilst nortriptyline is a secondary TCA (which refers to a difference in the carbons present in their overall chemical structure). What this means is that in order to process amitriptyline, the body has to first convert it to nortriptyline. This conversion can impact the effect it has on the body in terms of side effects (amitriptyline potentially might be slightly more sedating), and I presume an impact on the lethality (but I'm not sure on the exact difference).

Honestly, my memories of it all are rather neutral (I would lean more towards it being positive if it wasn't for the harm it caused others). I won't go into exact reasons (as pairing it with the info about the OD would make it incredibly easy for me to be identified if someone I knew irl ever came onto SaSu), but yes I do plan to ctb, potentially very soon. To be fair, this doesn't have much to do with the OD and more to do with traumatic events that have happened since. I plan on SN for this, as even if it isn't pleasant, it's rather quick. I hope that you're able to find peace with whatever method you settle on.
 

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