Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I bet that title got your attention!

As we know, we are all worried about pro lifers and fake accounts infiltrating our home. The recent activity as of late has caused unnecessary paranoia, which honestly, we do not need.

We do, however, have people here who I like to call and nicknamed them 'the hand holders.' These people are not CTBers like us. However they accept us.

These unique individuals, you may have seen, have showered this forum with loving posts and comments. They are there at goodbye threads showering the person with kind words and love.

Most of all, these people listen. Non-judgemental. I commented to a few members, I see them like a nun or priest. You can talk to them and they listen and show kindness. In was born Jewish. I had a nun I used to speak to.

Two of these hand holders are @Ame (who I adopted as my mother) and @Iloveyouall

Honestly. We are too busy thinking about our own pain (and in my personal case, trying to keep down my SI) to think the hand holders have feelings to.

We are used to goodbye threads. We are used to the pain people feel here. We can empathize with each other, because we relate. We are CTBers. We are here because we are in pain and want to CTB.

We develop friendships here. Sometimes for the first time in our life. We know the pain of losing a forum member we are close to. But, being in the same pain ourselves, we understand why they did it. Only a person in that kind of pain themselves can really understand.

But what about the hand holders? They come here to help. For whatever reason, they chose to come here and support us. Not try to stop us, but to show they care.

What happens to these hand holders seeing the pain here? They are human. They develop relationships just like us. They hurt when they lose someone they are close to.

I can't imagine what a person who actually is selflessly caring about us feels coming here.

They are here to help. Yet the pain here continues despite their darndest to try to make us more comfortable.

I have witnessed the pain these hand holders go through. I have seen their tears. I have seen the hurt they go through because we are hurting.

I am sorry these people are going through this pain. But in a way it shows us something. It shows us here we matter. Tell me. When was the last time someone cared about you? Cared if you are hurting? Cared about your feelings?

I can say for myself not until I came here. One of the reasons why I am here personally.

I would like to thank @Ame and @Iloveyouall. I have seen what you are going through. I am sure I can speak for many here.

Thank you for the love and kindness you have shown us. Thank you for caring. Thank you for supporting us and our desire to CTB without giving up pro life flowery nonsense.

We so need you here. We need more like you. No. You can't cure us as much as I know you want to. We are still going to be in pain and many of us are too damaged to be helped. We will continue to CTB.

However, for a brief second when you are so kind, the pain is lessened. We speak with you and for a brief second, we feel we matter. When we leave this horrible planet, we feel your love and leave with that feeling.

I hope the guests on the forum read this.

We are here because life circumstances destroyed our lives. No. Quoting the Bible or giving false, unrealistic hopes is not going to save us. We are still going to CTB whether you try to stop us or not.

We are still going to CTB if this forum wasn't here.

I have no issues with pro lifers as long as you don't impose your beliefs on us.

Pro lifers. Want to help us? Be like @Ame and @Iloveyouall. Listen to us. Respect our decisions, show us that you actually care... instead of trying to change us.

Special shout out to another hand holder @jgm63

To those who need to talk, and I am sleeping (hey, a girl can wish lol), I vouch for them.

They are good, caring people. We need more like them. If the world was filled with more people like them, this forum may not be necessary... and the world would be a much kinder place. One we may actually want to live for.
 
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Anon2662

Anon2662

Just a girl trapped in a psychological prison
Feb 13, 2020
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I must say, one of the things that really drew me in to sign up here is the kindness of the members. Many of us don't want saving but just want to be heard. Just want to leave this place knowing that there were people who understood. I'm new here, but have seen posts about members who have CBT and they are still spoken about with such kindness and respect and I think that goes to show the type of people in this forum. Like minded people who just want to support each other. :)
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I must say, one of the things that really drew me in to sign up here is the kindness of the members. Many of us don't want saving but just want to be heard. Just want to leave this place knowing that there were people who understood. I'm new here, but have seen posts about members who have CBT and they are still spoken about with such kindness and respect and I think that goes to show the type of people in this forum. Like minded people who just want to support each other. :)
Welcome, and I am glad you understood my post. Yes. Sometimes you just want to be heard.. and you will be here. :heart:
 
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Anon2662

Anon2662

Just a girl trapped in a psychological prison
Feb 13, 2020
366
Welcome, and I am glad you understood my post. Yes. Sometimes you just want to be heard.. and you will be here. :heart:

Thank you! I definitely feel like I will be.I've visited this forum in the past but now I've actually joined up, it sounds silly, but I feel like a huge weight had been lifted. I can actually express how I'm feeling without fear of repercussions or judgement. :heart:
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
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I'm only paranoid about people who's interest in suicide isn't their own. Actually it isn't paranoia it's intuition
 
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NonsenseTrash

NonsenseTrash

Student
Jan 19, 2020
158
I agree 100% with you. @Iloveyouall has been there for me when I needed them in a time of need. Thank you @Iloveyouall and @Ame for all the positivity and empathy that you bring to everyone here. I really appreciate all that you do. You are human too, and deserve care and compassion thrown your way too! There are many here who feel the same way and who see and care about you!
:heart::heart::heart:
 
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Ghost2211

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This was a very heartwarming post. This community is truly unique and special.

@Jean4 your strength and kindness always make me smile. You're awesome.
 
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lovemelovemenot

lovemelovemenot

what's the use...?
Jun 22, 2019
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I've seen a lot more accounts like this lately and I hope it will prevent more of the impulsive suicides in the future. As in the people who really are just in a rough spot right now or aren't 100% sure that it's what they want. I think it's a decison you should dwell on for some time before. For example, although I've been feeling like this for almost my whole life I still gave myself one year to figure out if it's the choice I really want to make. Meanwhile, planning the method, location, writing the note and taking care of anything else one needs to. I understand some people can't or don't want to wait that long though.

So yeah, it's nice to see some more compassion around here especially from those who maybe don't full on understand. I am worried about people who might take advantage and try to play hero by gaining trust and then informing the police or something, but maybe I'm just paranoid.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I've seen a lot more accounts like this lately and I hope it will prevent more of the impulsive suicides in the future. As in the people who really are just in a rough spot right now or aren't 100% sure that it's what they want. I think it's a decison you should dwell on for some time before. For example, although I've been feeling like this for almost my whole life I still gave myself one year to figure out if it's the choice I really want to make. Meanwhile, planning the method, location, writing the note and taking care of anything else one needs to. I understand some people can't or don't want to wait that long though.

So yeah, it's nice to see some more compassion around here especially from those who maybe don't full on understand. I am worried about people who might take advantage and try to play hero by gaining trust and then informing the police or something, but maybe I'm just paranoid.
The mods do a great job monitoring. I know the 3 mentioned in my post are the real deal. I don't want people to worry about them.
 
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I bet that title got your attention!

As we know, we are all worried about pro lifers and fake accounts infiltrating our home. The recent activity as of late has caused unnecessary paranoia, which honestly, we do not need.

We do, however, have people here who I like to call and nicknamed them 'the hand holders.' These people are not CTBers like us. However they accept us.

These unique individuals, you may have seen, have showered this forum with loving posts and comments. They are there at goodbye threads showering the person with kind words and love.

Most of all, these people listen. Non-judgemental. I commented to a few members, I see them like a nun or priest. You can talk to them and they listen and show kindness. In was born Jewish. I had a nun I used to speak to.

Two of these hand holders are @Ame (who I adopted as my mother) and @Iloveyouall

Honestly. We are too busy thinking about our own pain (and in my personal case, trying to keep down my SI) to think the hand holders have feelings to.

We are used to goodbye threads. We are used to the pain people feel here. We can empathize with each other, because we relate. We are CTBers. We are here because we are in pain and want to CTB.

We develop friendships here. Sometimes for the first time in our life. We know the pain of losing a forum member we are close to. But, being in the same pain ourselves, we understand why they did it. Only a person in that kind of pain themselves can really understand.

But what about the hand holders? They come here to help. For whatever reason, they chose to come here and support us. Not try to stop us, but to show they care.

What happens to these hand holders seeing the pain here? They are human. They develop relationships just like us. They hurt when they lose someone they are close to.

I can't imagine what a person who actually is selflessly caring about us feels coming here.

They are here to help. Yet the pain here continues despite their darndest to try to make us more comfortable.

I have witnessed the pain these hand holders go through. I have seen their tears. I have seen the hurt they go through because we are hurting.

I am sorry these people are going through this pain. But in a way it shows us something. It shows us here we matter. Tell me. When was the last time someone cared about you? Cared if you are hurting? Cared about your feelings?

I can say for myself not until I came here. One of the reasons why I am here personally.

I would like to thank @Ame and @Iloveyouall. I have seen what you are going through. I am sure I can speak for many here.

Thank you for the love and kindness you have shown us. Thank you for caring. Thank you for supporting us and our desire to CTB without giving up pro life flowery nonsense.

We so need you here. We need more like you. No. You can't cure us as much as I know you want to. We are still going to be in pain and many of us are too damaged to be helped. We will continue to CTB.

However, for a brief second when you are so kind, the pain is lessened. We speak with you and for a brief second, we feel we matter. When we leave this horrible planet, we feel your love and leave with that feeling.

I hope the guests on the forum read this.

We are here because life circumstances destroyed our lives. No. Quoting the Bible or giving false, unrealistic hopes is not going to save us. We are still going to CTB whether you try to stop us or not.

We are still going to CTB if this forum wasn't here.

I have no issues with pro lifers as long as you don't impose your beliefs on us.

Pro lifers. Want to help us? Be like @Ame and @Iloveyouall. Listen to us. Respect our decisions, show us that you actually care... instead of trying to change us.

Special shout out to another hand holder @jgm63

To those who need to talk, and I am sleeping (hey, a girl can wish lol), I vouch for them.

They are good, caring people. We need more like them. If the world was filled with more people like them, this forum may not be necessary... and the world would be a much kinder place. One we may actually want to live for.
Wow @Jean4 this is something I've suspected for awhile. I could not have written that any better, you have expressed it very well, thank-you. The hand-holders are the true Good Samaritans, right at the front-line where others fear to tread. That must be punishing. Anyone that takes on such a task without having to is worthy of so much respect.
 
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Epsilon0

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It's good that you point out that not all non-ctbers on this forum are trolls who want to impose their narrow-mindedness on us. I think anyone who is here for purely altruistic reasons deserves a lot of praise.
 
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PoisonedJuliet

PoisonedJuliet

You saucy boy!
Feb 12, 2020
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I've always wanted to be a hand-holder and I was until I started struggling with self harm and thoughts of ctb. I really do just want to help others but I don't want to be a burden in any way which is why I don't talk to my friends about it. The world needs more hand holders right now because someone kind enough to put themselves before others and just listen are the kind of people we need more of. Jean4, you are so amazing and you say it like it is. People won't be stopped from ctbing but a hand holder could make their journey and little less painful. Man, I love all of you so much and you guys give me a reason to keep on living!
 
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2tirednow

2tirednow

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Feb 14, 2020
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I must say, one of the things that really drew me in to sign up here is the kindness of the members. Many of us don't want saving but just want to be heard. Just want to leave this place knowing that there were people who understood. I'm new here, but have seen posts about members who have CBT and they are still spoken about with such kindness and respect and I think that goes to show the type of people in this forum. Like minded people who just want to support each other. :)
Exactly this ^^^ I only joined yesterday but have been lurking for about a week
 
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Anon2662

Anon2662

Just a girl trapped in a psychological prison
Feb 13, 2020
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Exactly this ^^^ I only joined yesterday but have been lurking for about a week

I officially joined a couple of days ago, but first came across this site when researching methods over a year ago.. Im somewhat reclusive and the thought of talking to others freaked me out but I took the leap and joined up and boy am I glad I did! Hope you find the support you need on here :)
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I've always wanted to be a hand-holder and I was until I started struggling with self harm and thoughts of ctb. I really do just want to help others but I don't want to be a burden in any way which is why I don't talk to my friends about it. The world needs more hand holders right now because someone kind enough to put themselves before others and just listen are the kind of people we need more of. Jean4, you are so amazing and you say it like it is. People won't be stopped from ctbing but a hand holder could make their journey and little less painful. Man, I love all of you so much and you guys give me a reason to keep on living!
I have been dubbed the mamma hen of the forum and @Sensei made me Queen. No bigger hand holder than me. I am an impulsive CTBer and have come here screaming for help. You can be both.

There can never be enough kindness. The hate and negativity in the outside world gets worse on a daily basis. One of the reasons I live here. It's safe.
 
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PoisonedJuliet

PoisonedJuliet

You saucy boy!
Feb 12, 2020
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I have been dubbed the mamma hen of the forum and @Sensei made me Queen. No bigger hand holder than me. I am an impulsive CTBer and have come here screaming for help. You can be both.
I try to be both but it fluctuates regularly. Sometimes I need more help than usual sometimes all I want to give is love to others.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I try to be both but it fluctuates regularly. Sometimes I need more help than usual sometimes all I want to give is love to others.
Do I understand that. I am Ms. Bipolar. Luckily right now I am ok and bounced into mania. :wink:
 
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ghostspace

ghostspace

ghost space, ghosts pace
Feb 10, 2020
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There can never be enough kindness. The hate and negativity in the outside world gets worse on a daily basis. One of the reasons I live here. It's safe.

I love this so much.
 
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Lostandfound7

Lostandfound7

Just waiting....
Jan 21, 2020
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Beautiful post @Jean4 .. :heart:
I came here in the darkest place i have ever been in my life. This forum has helped me out of that ditch. I'm still struggling, but I'm stronger..Luv u guys.
 
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Iloveyouall

Iloveyouall

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Feb 12, 2020
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You are all great, I love you all guys, no matter who you are. :heart:
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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Bumping this up... They deserve it.
 
PoisonedJuliet

PoisonedJuliet

You saucy boy!
Feb 12, 2020
1,191
Do I understand that. I am Ms. Bipolar. Luckily right now I am ok and bounced into mania. :wink:
Man am I bipolar, like a textbook case:pfff: My emotions change so quickly it scares me sometimes. I can go from waking up feeling that I have so much to look forward to in life to having a panic attack later that day which makes me spiral. Phew it can be exhausting
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
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I have been dubbed the mamma hen of the forum and @Sensei made me Queen. No bigger hand holder than me. I am an impulsive CTBer and have come here screaming for help. You can be both.

There can never be enough kindness. The hate and negativity in the outside world gets worse on a daily basis. One of the reasons I live here. It's safe.
I agree with everything you said except the last bit. I think this forum gives a good representation of people from across the globe good and bad. Most of the hate in the world comes from people being unhappy after all
 
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Epsilon0

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Kindness is distilled beauty, it's the essence of beauty in humans. I have never never met a kind person who was ugly.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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Kindness is distilled beauty, it's the essence of beauty in humans. I have never never met a kind person who was ugly.
We should print out t shirts with that statement.
 
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Quarky00

Quarky00

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Dec 17, 2019
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Members you've mentioned are angels .

I had no idea they lack any suicidal tendency and are just here to support .

Nor can I think of them like that , as they are integral part of us :heart:
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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Man am I bipolar, like a textbook case:pfff: My emotions change so quickly it scares me sometimes. I can go from waking up feeling that I have so much to look forward to in life to having a panic attack later that day which makes me spiral. Phew it can be exhausting
Sister!!!! We DO Need To Talk!!!!!
 
PoisonedJuliet

PoisonedJuliet

You saucy boy!
Feb 12, 2020
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Sister!!!! We DO Need To Talk!!!!!
I would love that!!! It feels so good to finally find someone who's going through what I am!
 
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Ame

Ame

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How can I possibly respond to this? I simply do not have the words Jean;;; I apologize in advance because I don't know if I can properly convey all of my thoughts through this post. Oh my goodness, this must be some kind of divine retribution for always mispronouncing your username in my head (for the record, I read it in the French way ha ha;; My apologies.) this is such an incredibly kind gesture on your part. You've suffered a great deal in your life and I am aware of how difficult it can be for you to just make it through the day - but you do, and all while sharing your warmth with others. It's not something to be minimized either, because it can be difficult to love when in so much pain. Of course, I can only speak for myself (but maybe others feel similarly), but I can honestly say that I am so lucky to have met you. It is all rather bittersweet yet I really do think that my days are that much brighter due to your presence.

As for the mother thing, given the age difference, pulling this off will require some crazy time travel shenanigans...but I am sure that we can make it work lol.

My reasons for coming to this place are the same as many of you here (and those guests who are lurking), still, - as hypocritical as it may be - it is never easy to have someone you care for die and I think that you know this all to well. I do hope that when you do feel overwhelmed, that you are able to direct some of that compassion to yourself. I truly do mean it when I say that I appreciate you Jean.

Thank you so much for all that you do ♡.
 
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faust

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Jan 26, 2020
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Thank you for a great post, @Jean4 !
Cannot imagine this forum without you :heart:
 
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