Venting There is more to life than...

[TAW122]

(insert whatever thing, hobby, attribute) there is. This statement such bullshit because people who usually use that line are dismissing ALL the other factors in which one has when deciding to CTB.

For example let's say someone's hobbies are fishing, hunting, bowling, playing guitar, dancing, to name a few. And then they lose their ability to do some hobby or whatever attribute that they have that makes his/her life worth living. Then some cunt goes up and tells said person there is more to life than (whatever hobby it is), while ignoring all the other circumstances and reasons that said person may have for wanting to CTB.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[lemmeeleev]

I would rather die if I couldn't do the very few things in life that I actually like.

 

[Wolfjob_dayjob]

I think people just repeat platitudes and media lines because that's what works in the book/movie.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

It ticks me off to no end that in every society a few ignorant close minded assholes decide what adults should or should not enjoy or do and a large chunk of the mass follow them like programmed robots because it's the cool trendy thing to do. Those that choose to follow their self individuality instead are outcasted and considered low life by the robots just so they can feel better about themselves.

As for disabilities etc, people like to act fucking smug about shit that isn't happening to them and disguise it as kindness.

 

[Midnight]

I very often wish i had the knowledge/ability to debate about or just make their words sounds like nonsense. Some people here use a vocabulary that is just so impressive and have the knowledge to deal with the "normies" they can have them understand or at least believe that not all is as is easy as they make it out be.

I wish i could talk like that just to let people know my mind is not fucked up but rather that my life's experience has brought me to my state of mind. And that i'm not making things seem worse than they are.

The other day i had a girl ask me why i'm alway's tired/unhappy/negative/never want to talk about myself ... i couldn't figure out what to say that would validate my state of mind. My state of mind has come from my life's experience there's no changing that. She said but just get a girlfriend life will be better, use a dating app, you're not ugly, you're intelligent and all that shit. Like woman how can you consider me a "catch" while you wouldn't even want to be found dead near me in normal circumstances. I don't hate people for using these platitudes ... how can they understand us? They try to lift up my mind without knowing it's futile or even aggrevating. They try to talk and help but i guess it just takes one to know one as is the case here on the forum.

I just fucking can't put on a set of rose pink glasses and suddenly see think life of mine is suddenly the best thing ever. I torture myself longer with every passing day being alive but i'm just not strong enough to do it just yet.

I get it it's absolute shit to be arround someone who thinks like me i don't deny it. I just for once would like to be able to make them see and understand my world.

 

[WaitingP]

I believe most people will convince you to stay without actually listening to the reasons why you want to ctb. Or that's what I feel. It makes perfect sense to me to ctb but yet I know if I spoke to friends etc they would try to convince me otherwise, a lot of that based on you don't want your friend dead on you concious even if it shouldn't be there

 

[TAW122]

All great points and @Midnight sums it up pretty well. It's ironic how society wants to act helpful yet when it doesn't help or if you don't agree with them (or the collective view) then you shunned and looked down upon. It sucks but I feel like most of society is rather ignorant and not really into thinking for themselves, just firing off platitudes and statements.

 

[JadedGray]

Yes, because society cares more about what an individual can do to benefit them, not what benefits that person, nevermind what they enjoy.

 

[Alchemist]

Yes, because society cares more about what an individual can do to benefit them, not what benefits that person, nevermind what they enjoy.

True, everything is based about how you should live for other and sacrifice everything and being selfish is considered a bad thing.

 

[JadedGray]

True, everything is based about how you should live for other and sacrifice everything and being selfish is considered a bad thing.

Agreed. Despite the fact that human nature is all about self-preservation. Our nature goes against what society has been conditioned into believing.

 

[TAW122]

Bumping this topic as I've seen numerous instances of people using this platitude in day to day life. It's really infuriating because it is essentially a cop out for whatever issue that may be at hand. Take for instance, someone who is passionate about a sport, an art, or whatever hobby you name, then suddenly that person (athlete, artist, hobbyist) loses their ability to do that activity in the manner he/she does. Then people preach about how there is more to life than x activity/hobby or whatever. It is not only dismissive, but also really patronizing.

 

[RM5998]

I would rather die if I couldn't do the very few things in life that I actually like.

Well, all the 'stuff I like' became 'stuff I used to like', and I'm still here...

Today I had a coworker tell me that because I haven't found anything to enjoy in life, I haven't looked. So don't hold your breath for people improving.

 

[_NoName_]

There is certainly a lot to life - all kinds of activities. However for me it all seems so romanticized/idealized. Once I actually participate in said activities I don't really enjoy the actvities themselves but the earning points/memories. I just can't enjoy it at the heat of the moment it seems.

 

[TAW122]

One such example I can recall is that someone who was once a successful artist, made a good living pursuing his/her art (whether it be performing or teaching or w/e). Then one day he/she fell ill and/or had some accident and ended up with a disability, thus crippling his/her ability to pursue his/her art the way he/she used to. (In this example, we'll even consider that it is a high caliber, world class artist and had a great career, but cut short due to said incident) I get that not everyone is the same and there are several options.

Option A: The artist ends his/her career and copes with the loss (somehow) and continues to pursue other art or fields. In other words, making the most out of what is left for him/her. This is the most popular option with most people and the majority of people (non-suicidal and oftenly pro-life, anti-choice, anti-suicide crowd) would support and even encourage.

Option B: The artist, suffering the career ending injury copes poorly and spirals into a never-ending cycle of depression, but doesn't kill him/herself (at least not yet or just copes heavily with drugs and alcohol). People shit on the once great artist who was a shadow of his/her former self while virtue signaling. Most people don't care about this person but are virtue signaling to make themselves look good and even criticizes said person's outlook on life..

Option C: The artist, CTB'd. People still virtue signal and raise suicide prevention sentiments all about while ignoring the real reason behind why the artist took his/her own life. Many people are still anti-suicide and anti-choice. The artist is dead and at peace, no longer suffering though.

Personally, I would choose Option C, well at least because I'm a firm believer of the fact that if I am not enjoying life, then there is little to no point in being alive. I also don't owe anyone anything and for people to guilt me or bully me into choosing life, it's disgusting. They can claim about free will and freedom all they want but until people are able to voluntarily choose death, without guilt or otherwise opposition to, then there is NO true free will, just the illusion of free will (or free will in certain contexts). So alas, with that said, the whole statement of "there is more to life than xyz" is utter horseshit.