Help There is an isolated, schizophrenic woman who lives close to me who has tried to kill herself on several occasions and I want to make a pact with her.

[Nitheful]

There is a woman who lives only a few houses down from me. I haven't directly talked to her, but I have overheard several conversations she and my mother have had since she comes to her for support as she has no one else. Her family has turned on her whilst everyone in the community just sees her as a crazy woman to be avoided. From the talks I've overheard, she and I are very alike. From our depression, to our psychosis and disillusionment of society and of ourselves. She has also attempted suicide several times and almost never leaves her home. I felt a deep connection without even having talked to her. I so desperately want to introduce myself and make her understand that I am the same, that I genuinely understand her pain and wouldn't baby or undermine her like everyone else around here does. Please do not get the wrong idea though, I do not see myself as a saviour or intend to exploit her illness, I am just as vulnerable and unstable so I am in no position to "help" her, but should people like us not reach out to each other if the chance presents itself?

I just don't know how I should talk to her. She doesn't technically know me, I can't just knock on her door and rant about suicide and mental illness, especially with the condition she has. Maybe I am just fantasizing but I was hoping we could rely on each other for support for a while and if we both get sick of it, end it together. I don't think I want to die alone and if she was up for it, it'd be nice to die with someone understanding.

What should I do guys? Am I being stupid for wanting to reach out? I know it'd be highly unconventional as I am a complete stranger but I am at the end of my rope and I know she is as well. Maybe she'd ignore the initial weirdness of the situation and open up to me? She'll probably kill herself in the future anyway, what would she have to lose by entertaining the prospect? How should I approach this?

 

[GoSan1]

There is a woman who lives only a few houses down from me. I haven't directly talked to her, but I have overheard several conversations she and my mother have had since she comes to her for support as she has no one else. Her family has turned on her whilst everyone in the community just sees her as a crazy woman to be avoided. From the talks I've overheard, she and I are very alike. From our depression, to our psychosis and disillusionment of society and of ourselves. She has also attempted suicide several times and almost never leaves her home. I felt a deep connection without even having talked to her. I so desperately want to introduce myself and make her understand that I am the same, that I genuinely understand her pain and wouldn't baby or undermine her like everyone else around here does. Please do not get the wrong idea though, I do not see myself as a saviour or intend to exploit her illness, I am just as vulnerable and unstable so I am in no position to "help" her, but should people like us not reach out to each other if the chance presents itself?

I just don't know how I should talk to her. She doesn't technically know me, I can't just knock on her door and rant about suicide and mental illness, especially with the condition she has. Maybe I am just fantasizing but I was hoping we could rely on each other for support for a while and if we both get sick of it, end it together. I don't think I want to die alone and if she was up for it, it'd be nice to die with someone understanding.

What should I do guys? Am I being stupid for wanting to reach out? I know it'd be highly unconventional as I am a complete stranger but I am at the end of my rope and I know she is as well. Maybe she'd ignore the initial weirdness of the situation and open up to me? She'll probably kill herself in the future anyway, what would she have to lose by entertaining the prospect? How should I approach this?

I do not think that knocking and introducing yourself would be a bad or weird thing. As long as you take it slow and explain the situation, you 2 might actually be able to support each others. It is good to have people that share the same thoughts and feelings. But that's just my opinion, no advice.

Follow your heart ^^

 

[savory]

How should I approach this?

Without expectation, though that may be difficult as you've already built up a fantasy of CTB with her. Approach her and see if she seems open to making a friend

 

[Death is my goal]

stop with the suicide pact bullshit, it's so dumb and cringe. and there's so many things can go wrong with it.

why make it so complicated by ctbing with other people.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Reading the title, I just want to expand on previous post and highlight how immoral it would be to contact a mentally ill and isolated person with the intent of suicide. You have no idea whether suicide is justified in her case, and you have no idea if death is her true will. She does seem like a good target if you are to coerce someone to join your suicide plans though - and that's the problem!

In line with previous poster; just drop that idea!

Don't let that stop you from reaching out if you're interested in a mutually beneficial relation though. I'm sure she'd appreciate some social interaction, but I think you should leave suicidal thoughts and intentions out of it. The grief and disappointment you intend to cause your own family is enough, without involving others. Try to perceive a successful pact from the outside. It's going to be impossible to know if there was coercion or foul play involved, and people will keep guessing for the rest of their lives.

 

[dontwakemeup]

I absolutely disagree! Just because you overheard some info pertaining to her, I highly suggest you don't get involved. I always feel suicide is a personal decision and never should be influenced by others! If you want to ctb, then ctb by yourself and please stop this fantasy of taking her with you.
If she does agree, it maybe because you've influenced her and set a date. If she dies and you survive, you will be in so much trouble.
I understand you're rationale but I feel it's selfishly driven. If you don't have the strength to ctb alone, then maybe you aren't ready.
I think these suicide pacts are a terrible idea because it basically forces people to pick a date and they feel unable to back out, even if they wanted to. Please leave her alone and come here and talk openly on your difficult days. You never know what trauma she's carrying and sometimes opening up can make someone want to ctb more.
This is my advice. Oh it's 444

 

[littleraccoon3]

It may be different than you think, sometimes events have different dynamics, to be honest. Sometimes helping others can be good for us. If you want to meet and be friends for these reasons, you can make a cake and go to their house. I just want to say that friendships can be difficult in some chronic and serious illnesses, please enter a person's life if you can manage this process seriously because giving up and leaving can affect that person very badly.

 

[L'absent]

Maybe that's what she's waiting for too. There are many people who are looking for partners to commit suicide. In a region not far from where I live, 4 young people they met on the internet committed suicide. They had never met and three of them had attempted suicide several times without success. They got help with their method and eventually the survivor hanged himself. Probably the fear of being prosecuted for what he did took the brakes off his fear of dying (what some call the survival instinct). It's difficult to give you advice. You should start getting to know her by introducing yourself and then see how it develops.

 

[maniac116]

Be careful!
If one dies & the other doesnt they could be implicated in the ctb.

 

[Edu Ardanuy]

I absolutely disagree! Just because you overheard some info pertaining to her, I highly suggest you don't get involved. I always feel suicide is a personal decision and never should be influenced by others! If you want to ctb, then ctb by yourself and please stop this fantasy of taking her with you.
If she does agree, it maybe because you've influenced her and set a date. If she dies and you survive, you will be in so much trouble.
I understand you're rationale but I feel it's selfishly driven. If you don't have the strength to ctb alone, then maybe you aren't ready.
I think these suicide pacts are a terrible idea because it basically forces people to pick a date and they feel unable to back out, even if they wanted to. Please leave her alone and come here and talk openly on your difficult days. You never know what trauma she's carrying and sometimes opening up can make someone want to ctb more.
This is my advice. Oh it's 444

I couldn' have said it better.

 

[ShesPunishedForever]

I have a lot of thoughts about this. But if your mum is the the only person this woman comes to for support and speaks openly about her issues and attempts, I would be very very careful about what you do and say to her and how that could come back to reflect on you especially if you've never met her and she has no reason to trust you or even understand you. Anything from her thinking you are there to harm her or take advantage of her, and how that could play into whatever delusions she already has from experiencing schizophrenia would increase and make that an even more complex problem for you that will affect you.