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mjlondon88

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Sep 30, 2021
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this group. Have never had a therapist. What happens when you open up about your suicidal thoughts? Do the therapist help. Or will I be labelled insane?
 
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timf

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Mar 26, 2020
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One should be cautious regarding what information is shared. Some places have laws requiring information to be reported.

In general, a good therapist might be able to;

1. Give you information you did not know
2. Explain why things are happening
3. Suggest remedies or ways to manage
4. Provide encouragement

A poor therapist might be able to;

1. Increase your dependency
2. Keep to glued to the past
3. Accentuate an unhealthy self-focus
4. Be either controlling or disengaged

If you try this path, you may wish to search out others who could help you make a good selection. Remember you are hiring the serives of someone. If like a car mechanic who bungles a repair, you find you are not getting the help you are paying for, you may wish to make another selection.
 
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mjlondon88

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This is in the UK. Will I be labelled insane and never be able to work as a teacher etc?
 
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oliviahurts

oliviahurts

guess I'm paralyzed now
Sep 13, 2021
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This is in the UK. Will I be labelled insane and never be able to work as a teacher etc?
I also live in the UK. First off there's nothing you could say short of saying you've just committed or are just about to commit a crime that could stop have any impact on whether you could become a teacher. Even being detained in a psychiatric hospital won't show up on an Enhanced DBS check. See https://www.mind.org.uk/information...kIncludeInformationAboutMyMentalHealthProblem

Therapists only need to report what you said if they think you're an imminent risk to yourself (or others). They will tell you that they're going to report it to your GP (and also your parents but only if you're under 18). They usually only do that if you say that you're certain you're going to hurt yourself before the next meeting, so don't say anything like that. If they do tell your GP, you just have to deny any thoughts of harming yourself, even if that wasn't what you told the therapist.

Thoughts of harming yourself are fine to talk about, just deny that they're plans to hurt yourself.
 
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timf

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Mar 26, 2020
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I don't know what the laws are in the UK with socialized medicine. You may have some options outside of the government system. You might find a priest that could be helpful. Groups like AA, NA, and Alanon might be helpful or might be able to recommend someone.

There is a guy that does nutritional counseling in the UK that might be able to refer you to someone as well.

 
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Ren Elsie Jewelria

Ren Elsie Jewelria

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Aug 30, 2020
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You want to end up in a loony bin? Tell them you're suicidal. Good luck. :(
 
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Rabbit

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Sep 3, 2021
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I think some can but some are horrible. Not sure how to crack that code.
 
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Good therapist can be v good help. Unlikely to be judged on thoughts as they are common and bring lots of people into therapy. Therapist will only take medical action if advised of concrete plans and immediate threat of danger to self or others.
 
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Sittichmutter

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Sep 16, 2021
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I think a good therapist can be really helpful. I have been doing therapy since January and taking SSRI as well. It is a huge comfort, even when It hurts. But you have to Trust your therapist. It is also important to wish to be helped, otherwise is just a waste of time.
I am doing therapy because I want to get better for my family, I still have a lot to take care of.
 
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meetapple

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Jun 3, 2021
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Make sure you have an intelligent therapist. Otherwise he or she can be just as condescending as everyone else.
 
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Ren Elsie Jewelria

Ren Elsie Jewelria

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Of course it does help! Them! Ka-CHING!
 
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Cherry Crumpet

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May 7, 2018
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I started seeing one recently. Haven't told them I have suicidal ideation and that could leave me in a sticky situation. I have plenty of other fucked up life issues to attempt to work through though - so no shortage of bullshit to talk about.

I think it's helping. They help me see things from a different perspective and also point out if I'm not being logical.
 
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sfree

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Oct 1, 2021
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Ultimately no. Especially if you were labeled as psychotic for opposing the society or even the family. True treatment is not simply found from the mainstream mental health industry.
 
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ocklepold

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Jul 24, 2021
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I lucked out with a great therapist. I've been seeing him for six years. Without him, I probably would have killed myself ages ago.
 
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Manaaja

Manaaja

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Sep 10, 2018
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Depends on what your problem is and what kind of therapist.

Say your problem is that you are poor. Talking will not make you richer, though a good therapist might give you mental energy to earn money or advice you ways to get money. Or might even give you neetbux money aka disability money.

If your problem is something like "I lost my legs and now I can't do anything, I can't go for walks with my dog, I can't live independent life, I can't participate in running competitions, I can't ski, I can't skate, I can't drive, I can't find anyone willing to date a legless person. I'd rather die than live legless." Then talking to a therapist won't help you. The only thing that will help is either growing a new leg, getting a sci-fi leg, or reattaching the old leg, all of which a therapist most likely won't be able to do.

Remember that a therapist must be specialized. I have narcissist relatives, and many therapists always either victim blame me, gaslight me or say something like "They didn't mean it. It might have felt bad but I'm sure they had good intentions". So make sure the therapist is experienced in the topic.
 
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stellabelle

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Dec 14, 2018
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this group. Have never had a therapist. What happens when you open up about your suicidal thoughts? Do the therapist help. Or will I be labelled insane?
It gives you a space to talk. The problem is building a trust. The problem is that talking won't resolve behavior of others and what is causing you to feel the way that you do. It depends on the issues and so on and so forth. The best thing about it is that it keeps a record of what is happening so if you have been labeled this way or that way, it's all there. Whats fucked is that it won't change the way people treat you or fuck with you just to try to get you to snap so they can talk shit about you. You can only hope those people just die off in the masses.

All the proof in the world and the fact that it's not your imagination, people will still label others. Shove them all into a box. Basically I think the world is just fucked up, and so are the people in it, and they just decide to be, and even when you know they're doing something fucked up and you notice it, you can't stop it, you prove your suspicions correct, you get thrown in jail and fucked with by some asshole on a crisis line, yeah, you know, it's better to just spit in their face I guess.

People are so god damn fucking invasive and sick.
 
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everydayiloveyou

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Jul 5, 2020
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It depends on the therapist and your issues.

I've been on-and-off from therapy for a while. Here in the USA, if you have bad insurance or are poor, you tend to get worse clinicians. They are overworked and can't spend much time on you, or have checked out and lack consideration for their patients, which is why people have lots of stories of their therapist running errands during sessions, texting, or venting about their own problems.

I'm not sure if it's easy to change your psych in the UK, but some red flags are:
  1. Therapist seems clearly disengaged. be careful with this -- I have social anxiety disorder so I always think people are bored out of their minds when I speak. Some obvious, non-negotiable ways to tell are: therapist does not remember significant things you told them in previous sessions (e g.: you mention that you don't get along with your mom but they always recommend asking to your mom for advice), texting or staring at the clock during sessions, rolling their eyes or refusing to continue talking to you when you cry/get upset, or not having anything to say, consistently late/ending sessions early
  2. Therapist does not have a plan for your treatment. They might be adamant that you do CBT or narrative therapy or some other mode even if you say that it's not helping. The bad therapists usually *love* psychodynamic since it does not require them to do any work at all. They will just ask you to vent, say nothing of use the entire time, and ask you to come back next week and repeat it all again. Your therapist should set goals with you that are consistent with your own personal goals. They need to be focused too, lots of people veer off-track during setbacks and it's important that your therapist doesn't do this.
  3. They make you feel bad, uncomfortable, or upset, in a way that would make any other reasonable person upset. It's important for a therapist to challenge you, and sometimes that involves some discomfort. For example, a therapist may ask you to talk about your family. It may be a difficult topic, maybe they abused you in the past. A therapist understands your discomfort, and helps you get through it. They do not force you into disclosing, or guilt-trip you if you aren't ready. Or, if you have an anxiety disorder, they should not call your concerns silly, dramatic or dumb. They might instead use CBT techniques to help *you* come to the conclusion that your fears might be a bit blown oit of proportion. They also do not violate your privacy, make sexual advances on you, or criticize/demean you.
  4. They have boundaries and respect yours. If you do not want to talk about romance or family, they shouldn't push it until you're ready. Similarly, they should have boundaries and not allow you to contact them inappropriately (e.g.: "you can text me whenever you feel lonely"/"how about I go to the party with you?"). In special situations, such as exposure therapy for extreme phobias, it's a bit different, but usually it should be heavily outlined what you will be doing and why. Exposure therapy is not going partying or eating dinner with your therapist -- it'd be walking outside and talking about your feelings on a bench, or going on an elevator and doing mindfulness exercises throughout. The activities are also related to your specific phobia (e.g. if you are going in for severe fear of heights, you might go to high places like a public stairway or the hospital elevators. But not to events, the bowling alley, the therapist's home, or the mall). Also, if you don't have issues with phobias/anxiety they shouldn't suggest doing things with you outside the office, it's completely inappropriate.

Therapy can be very helpful but you need to put in the work too. If you are stubborn or unwilling to try things/do homework, it will be a waste of time and money.

I think therapy is most effective for issues that can be treated with CBT/DBT which are pretty much the only scientifically proven therapies out there. So, situational depression, anxiety disorders like OCD, body dsymorphia or SAD, borderline personality disorder, PTSD and other trauma-related disorders.

If you have some other issue it can be hit-or-miss. Typically, if you have a lot of insight (basically you are aware you have a problem and that your thinking/behavior might play a part in it) you'll fare better than those who don't.

Also, some mental illnesses have a big genetic/chemical/mystery component that therapy can never target. Sometimes you need medication or other supplements to help you get to that extra mile. like a lot of people with anxiety disorders might need meds to reduce the physical symptoms of anxiety before they can make progress in therapy. Or someone with seasonal depression might need vitamin D supplements and a day light and no therapy at all.

it's not an exact science yet. so it's mostly a matter of triak and error unfortunately. Just don't say that you will definitely kill yourself within the next few months or that you have a note/supplies/etc ready. Be vague until you read the atmosphere and determine how sectioning-happy your therapist is.
 
callme

callme

I'm a loose cannon - I bang all the time.
Aug 15, 2021
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Be vague until you read the atmosphere and determine how sectioning-happy your therapist is.
In 99% of all cases anywhere in the world, no. Why risk their enterprise of easy money because somebody doesn't like their life?
 

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