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brokenspirited

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Reincarnation seems far worse and more horrifying than burning in hell. It's horrible enough to be trapped in this futile torturous and unwanted existence, but the potential of this nightmare repeating again and again is so horrifying and dreadful to me. Truly horrifying to think this pointless existence designed to cause suffering could repeat over and over for an eternity. I hope reincarnation isn't real because it just sounds so cruel and terrible to me to impose an existence that's really just an endless loop of suffering.
 
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Reincarnation seems to be the same as hell imo.
 
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brokenspirited

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All I want to is to fall into deep dreamless forever sleep peacefully cease to exist and never be burdened by this torturous futile existence again.
 
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I also have the same fear because i cant imagine living for the 2nd time my 1st time was more than enough.

The nice thing about reincarnation that there is no one that u could trust has memories from their past life. Even if u reincarnate into another human u wouldnt have any memories of your past life so its like u didnt actually reincarnate at all and u would be different human being.
 
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What scares me even more than reincarnation is Quantum Immortality.
That said, I think I've met the devil. That was incredibly scary, more than surviving or reincarnating
 
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ididnotconsent

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Well your memory will be wiped and you'll essentially be an entirely different person, so it won't feel like a continuation of suffering at least. I can think of a lot scarier shit that may happen.
 
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there is pain or suffering so bad it's a trillion times worse than one can imagine. my only comfort is that I'm sure 1 micro second after my brain dies i will cease to exist forever . this means Death is Non-existence forever which means I could never suffer like that of at all ever again after Dearh. I just have to avoid any unbearable pain ftom now until I my brain dies

there is no evidence for any reincarnation, afterlife, soul, multi verses, other dimensions, computer simulations, quantum immortality etc.

these are all theories with not a single piece of evidence. imo these theories have in common that a human is not just a very temporary insignificant animal a machine chemical reactions. but that is what rooms full of books shows what a human is only a brain, cells a very temporary insignificant animal a machine chemical reactions

there is hundreds of years of experimental and other evidence that shows what life is , what a human and an animal is and where they descended from a single cell and before that chemical reactions

these theories also violate the law of entropy
 
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Some religions and schools of thought believe that reincarnation happens, but less frequently as the soul matures, learning from its life experiences on earth, until it becomes at one with the source of all souls (call that God, the Creator(s), whatever you want). And that our universe could be one of many and will likely end. So reincarnation is not eternal, it is a journey that has an end. (And also that suffering in life on earth serves a purpose. And there is no Hell. Whatever).

Not quoting all relevant previous posts, but the only "evidence" for this is the supposed many, many reports from people that have had NDE's or been regressed by hypnosis and so on into the sprit world and their former lives, and that do report and uncanny level of similarity of experience, across multiple cultures and histories.

Also this does not break the fundamental laws of entropy in the universe, since reincarnation here is not eternal; it ends. As likely will our universe.

I recently read "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton. A very interesting read. I'm historically agnostic/atheist, now currently more agnostic/tentatively spiritual. If its all nonsense, then it doesn't matter; it's making people feel better and will do no harm. If it's true, then happy days; bring on death and I can't wait to go Home.
As for tradition western religions based around worshiping a judgemental god and eternal suffering in Hell etc; no, not for me. Man-made nonsense as far as I'm concerned.


 
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Reincarnation seems far worse and more horrifying than burning in hell. It's horrible enough to be trapped in this futile torturous and unwanted existence, but the potential of this nightmare repeating again and again is so horrifying and dreadful to me. Truly horrifying to think this pointless existence designed to cause suffering could repeat over and over for an eternity. I hope reincarnation isn't real because it just sounds so cruel and terrible to me to impose an existence that's really just an endless loop of suffering.
I also have the same fear because i cant imagine living for the 2nd time my 1st time was more than enough.
It's the cruel thought that even if we do we will never know
Reincarnation is real - but the mainstream understanding of it, is incorrect (which is because it's based on religious heresy, as opposed to being based on modern afterlife-research).

In reality, you don't have to reincarnate if you don't want to. When you die, you aren't automatically transferred straight into a new body (with the potential exception of if this has been agreed upon in advance, before you entered this current life of yours). And you don't come back as anything other than a human (unless, perhaps, if you specifically request it), as human souls require a certain level of intelligence in an animal, in order for them to properly incarnate/get a lot out of the incarnation. (Animal-souls are different from human souls, as they have a lower level of soul-consciousness/soul-intelligence than human souls do.)

And you'll stop reincarnating eventually, after you've become advanced enough as a soul - which is after you've learned and grown as much as you need, from all of your incarnations, as well from all of your study in the spirit-world.



And people who don't believe that reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls is real, are simply ignorant, irrational and/or low-intelligent individuals. And they're often simply too biased to acknowledge the fact that they're wrong about reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls - as they often keep preaching their heresy, despite having been explicitly told that they're wrong about their assertions about reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls; and they often have no interest in actually exploring the counter-arguments/counter-evidences regarding reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls. In other words, they're often not real truth-seekers.

(The user, "pthnrdnojvsc", in one of the comments above, is a perfect example of this - as I've already told him/her that he/she is wrong about his/her assertions about the afterlife/souls, in several threads before.)



(...) but the only "evidence" for this is the supposed many, many reports from people that have had NDE's or been regressed by hypnosis and so on into the sprit world and their former lives, and that do report and uncanny level of similarity of experience, across multiple cultures and histories.
FIRST OF ALL:

Near-death-experiences and regression-hypnosis (especially life-between-lives regression-hypnosis, where people travel back to the spirit-world, and don't just travel back to former lives), aren't just "evidences", like you wrote. Instead, they're actually perfectly valid evidences - which you'd know if you'd done proper research into these things.



SECOND OF ALL:

Near-death-experiences and regression-hypnosis (especially life-between-lives regression-hypnosis, where people travel back to the spirit-world, and don't just travel back to former lives) aren't the only evidences of reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls being real. You simply need to do more research regarding both reincarnation and the afterlife/souls.

And besides:
As the afterlife itself/the souls themselves are real, it's pretty obvious that reincarnation is real too. This is because if the afterlife/souls are real (which it is/they are), and if souls have the ability to incarnate 1 time at all (which they clearly have, as we're currently living here on earth); then it makes the most sense that they'll have the ability to incarnate multiple times as well - since incarnation is actually possible for them at all.



Also this does not break the fundamental laws of entropy in the universe, since reincarnation here is not eternal; it ends. As likely will our universe.
Yes - although new souls are continuously created/born, while older souls finish their journey of development, and reunite with the source ("God"). And therefore, reincarnation is always required to go on - which thereby always require the continued existence of universes for souls to incarnate in.

And even though individual planets and universes probably end (although they're possibly re-created by another "big bang", if the cycle restarts every time a universe ends), there's still many other universes and planets for souls to incarnate in, after planet earth and our current universe has ended.

Therefore, the concept of reincarnation does not break any physical laws of the universe (such as the law of entropy). And anyone who incorrectly thinks that it does, simply doesn't know how the spirit-world actually operates.



I recently read "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton. A very interesting read. I'm historically agnostic/atheist, now currently more agnostic/tentatively spiritual. If its all nonsense, then it doesn't matter; it's making people feel better and will do no harm. If it's true, then happy days; bring on death and I can't wait to go Home.
Exactly - although it's always best to have the most objectively correct understanding of reality, in order to best avoid any problems that may arise from misconceptions about reality. (And traditional religions are a perfect example of this, as they create a lot of unnecessary problems for humanity, due to their misconceptions about reality.)



Luckily though, Michael Newton's findings are actually real; they're not nonsense. And you'd know this if you'd research his work, as well as the things that surround his work.

And besides:
Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is the only logical explanation, when looked at from a rational point of view, that perfectly explains all of the other, valid evidences of the modern afterlife-research; and that perfectly explains our universe and life on earth; and that perfectly explains the incredible cruelty and unfairness of planet earth; and that perfectly explains how the source ("God") and the spirit-world/souls can be so good/kind/loving, despite planet earth being such a true "Hell" of a planet.

In other words:
Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is the only logical explanation, when looked at from a rational point of view, that perfectly marries/ties all of these different aspects together. Therefore, his findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, simply MUST be true, when looked at from a rational point of view.

And Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is simply how any intelligent and rational person would expect the spirit-world to operate, if the spirit-world is actually real (which it actually IS).

(And besides:
It's OBVIOUS that Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is true - for those of us who have actually been to the spiritual dimension ourselves, and who have actually experienced the incredible peace, love, freedom and realness of the spiritual dimension, first-hand.

The main problem for most afterlife-sceptics, is that they simply haven't experienced it first-hand - which thereby naturally makes it more difficult for them to believe in the existence of an afterlife/souls, as well as in the existence of reincarnation.)



As for tradition western religions based around worshiping a judgemental god and eternal suffering in Hell etc; no, not for me. Man-made nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
Definitely.

Traditional religions contain a lot of heresy (although they do get some aspects right, of course), and are obviously heavily influenced by the agendas of their leaders/authors.
 
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Zardoz

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May 21, 2025
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Hey @SoulWantsHome

For your ego; I read Journey of Souls because of your post about it on another thread. Well done. I didn't acknowledge it there becuse your posts responding to what other people had said were obnoxious to the point of being toxic.

More importantly, have some fucking respect for the other users of this forum.

You are consistently extremely disrespectful to other people's posts, notably on other threads.

Even if you believe you are completely and utterly right, have some fucking respect for other people and don't be so fucking rude all the time.

Fuck you.
 
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Reincarnation is real - but the mainstream understanding of it, is incorrect (which is because it's based on religious heresy, as opposed to being based on modern afterlife-research).

In reality, you don't have to reincarnate if you don't want to. When you die, you aren't automatically transferred straight into a new body (with the potential exception of if this has been agreed upon in advance, before you entered this current life of yours). And you don't come back as anything other than a human (unless, perhaps, if you specifically request it), as human souls require a certain level of intelligence in an animal, in order for them to properly incarnate/get a lot out of the incarnation. (Animal-souls are different from human souls, as they have a lower level of soul-consciousness/soul-intelligence than human souls do.)

And you'll stop reincarnating eventually, after you've become advanced enough as a soul - which is after you've learned and grown as much as you need, from all of your incarnations, as well from all of your study in the spirit-world.



And people who don't believe that reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls is real, are simply ignorant, irrational and/or low-intelligent individuals. And they're often simply too biased to acknowledge the fact that they're wrong about reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls - as they often keep preaching their heresy, despite having been explicitly told that they're wrong about their assertions about reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls; and they often have no interest in actually exploring the counter-arguments/counter-evidences regarding reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls. In other words, they're often not real truth-seekers.

(The user, "pthnrdnojvsc", in one of the comments above, is a perfect example of this - as I've already told him/her that he/she is wrong about his/her assertions about the afterlife/souls, in several threads before.)




FIRST OF ALL:

Near-death-experiences and regression-hypnosis (especially life-between-lives regression-hypnosis, where people travel back to the spirit-world, and don't just travel back to former lives), aren't just "evidences", like you wrote. Instead, they're actually perfectly valid evidences - which you'd know if you'd done proper research into these things.



SECOND OF ALL:

Near-death-experiences and regression-hypnosis (especially life-between-lives regression-hypnosis, where people travel back to the spirit-world, and don't just travel back to former lives) aren't the only evidences of reincarnation and/or the afterlife/souls being real. You simply need to do more research regarding both reincarnation and the afterlife/souls.

And besides:
As the afterlife itself/the souls themselves are real, it's pretty obvious that reincarnation is real too. This is because if the afterlife/souls are real (which it is/they are), and if souls have the ability to incarnate 1 time at all (which they clearly have, as we're currently living here on earth); then it makes the most sense that they'll have the ability to incarnate multiple times as well - since incarnation is actually possible for them at all.




Yes - although new souls are continuously created/born, while older souls finish their journey of development, and reunite with the source ("God"). And therefore, reincarnation is always required to go on - which thereby always require the continued existence of universes for souls to incarnate in.

And even though individual planets and universes probably end (although they're possibly re-created by another "big bang", if the cycle restarts every time a universe ends), there's still many other universes and planets for souls to incarnate in, after planet earth and our current universe has ended.

Therefore, the concept of reincarnation does not break any physical laws of the universe (such as the law of entropy). And anyone who incorrectly thinks that it does, simply doesn't know how the spirit-world actually operates.




Exactly - although it's always best to have the most objectively correct understanding of reality, in order to best avoid any problems that may arise from misconceptions about reality. (And traditional religions are a perfect example of this, as they create a lot of unnecessary problems for humanity, due to their misconceptions about reality.)



Luckily though, Michael Newton's findings are actually real; they're not nonsense. And you'd know this if you'd research his work, as well as the things that surround his work.

And besides:
Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is the only logical explanation, when looked at from a rational point of view, that perfectly explains all of the other, valid evidences of the modern afterlife-research; and that perfectly explains our universe and life on earth; and that perfectly explains the incredible cruelty and unfairness of planet earth; and that perfectly explains how the source ("God") and the spirit-world/souls can be so good/kind/loving, despite planet earth being such a true "Hell" of a planet.

In other words:
Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is the only logical explanation, when looked at from a rational point of view, that perfectly marries/ties all of these different aspects together. Therefore, his findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, simply MUST be true, when looked at from a rational point of view.

And Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is simply how any intelligent and rational person would expect the spirit-world to operate, if the spirit-world is actually real (which it actually IS).

(And besides:
It's OBVIOUS that Michael Newton's findings, and his model/explanation of how the spirit-world operates, is true - for those of us who have actually been to the spiritual dimension ourselves, and who have actually experienced the incredible peace, love, freedom and realness of the spiritual dimension, first-hand.

The main problem for most afterlife-sceptics, is that they simply haven't experienced it first-hand - which thereby naturally makes it more difficult for them to believe in the existence of an afterlife/souls, as well as in the existence of reincarnation.)




Definitely.

Traditional religions contain a lot of heresy (although they do get some aspects right, of course), and are obviously heavily influenced by the agendas of their leaders/authors.
you can disagree or have different beliefs . but it's not right to insult people and call people low intelligence , ignorant etc just because they don't believe in reincarnation. plus many of us are going through hell . and to some the thought of reincarnation is more hell. i'll never believe in reincarnation. i'll always believe Death is non-existence forever the ultimate bliss . i can't stand existing living or existence. i will never want to exist under any circumstances
 
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SoulWantsHome

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Hey @SoulWantsHome

For your ego; I read Journey of Souls because of your post about it on another thread. Well done. I didn't acknowledge it there becuse your posts responding to what other people had said were obnoxious to the point of being toxic.

More importantly, have some fucking respect for the other users of this forum.

You are consistently extremely disrespectful to other people's posts, notably on other threads.

Even if you believe you are completely and utterly right, have some fucking respect for other people and don't be so fucking rude all the time.

Fuck you.
Dude, I'm simply telling things how they actually are. I haven't been disrespectful to anyone who didn't provoke it. And I haven't been disrespectful to you here either; I've simply calmly corrected you on some of the things you stated here, that were wrong.

If people consider me "disrespectful" due the things I've said on this forum, then they are completely irrational (as they clearly don't realize the context for my so called "disrespect"), and they are way, way too sensitive - as they can't handle simple corrections, and can't handle hearing the truth about things (including the truth about themselves).

And as I've previously mentioned on this forum; this is 1 of the mains reasons why I'm suicidal - as it's incredibly frustrating for highly rational people like me, to live in a world where people are completely irrational, and can't handle being told the simple truth about things/about themselves.
 
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(...) but it's not right to insult people and call people low intelligence , ignorant etc just because they don't believe in reincarnation.
Yes - it obviously IS right to say that they are, when it's actually TRUE.

And notice that I wrote AND/OR, in my post. So, it doesn't mean that a person is BOTH ignorant AND irrational AND low-intelligent, just because the person doesn't believe in reincarnation. The person might be only 1 of those things (or all 3), as it depends on the person, of course.



plus many of us are going through hell .
Yes, I understand that - and I really feel for all of you, regarding that. I myself am going through literal hell in this period of my life - which is why I'm on this forum at all.



and to some the thought of reincarnation is more hell.
I can totally understand that - but I've already explained why reincarnation actually isn't anything to fear (as it's actually voluntary).



i'll never believe in reincarnation. i'll always believe Death is non-existence (...)
...which proves my point about you. You're simply too biased to acknowledge the reality of reincarnation. And that's fine, of course - but then I obviously have to explain to people why you're wrong, when you're stating such heresy about reincarnation and the afterlife/souls to other users here (like you did in this thread, for example).



i can't stand existing living or existence. i will never want to exist under any circumstances
I completely understand that, and I've often felt like that myself. However, you'll change your mind about that, once you are freed from your suffering here on earth, and you re-join the love and peace in the spirit-world.

Your opinion about existence is heavily, negatively coloured by your suffering in this current life of yours - which thereby naturally makes you want to not exist anywhere ever again. But one day, you'll enjoy existing again - after experiencing the joy of it again, in the spirit-world :)
 
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No one knows what happens after we pass on, discussions like these are obviously a big topic here but best they are kept cordial and respectful going forward regardless of difference in views.

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