The Other Barbiturates

[ThisIsMe1357]

I have just re-read the barbiturates portion of the last available PPH book and am now thinking about availability and effectivity of other barbiturates besides pentobarbital.

The book also mentions sodium thiopental, marketed as Pentothal or Trapanal, or being sold as a powder packaged in 500 mg ampoules. The recommended amount necessary is 10gm, therefore one would need to get hold of 20 of those ampoules.

And I am just curious, do we know anything on the topic and availability of this substance, or possibly even other barbiturates? Shouldn't sodium thiopental be easier to access than pentobarbital? Apparently Europe stopped selling it to the United States because of its use in executions, but it still produces it, doesn't it? The PPH book does not mention anything else about this substance, so I wonder whether it might be available somewhere for sale, on open or Dark internet? I am going to see what I can find, but I was just wondering what others might know.

 

[J&L383]

Generally, the "good" barbiturates (nembutal, seconol, tuinol), are either not manufactured anymore or in very limited quantities (although Switzerland still has their source for pentobarbitol). As to sodium thiopental, it metabolizes to fat and brain tissues too quickly (to cause death) so it has to be injected intravenously, and probably a lot of it, as it was when used in capital punishment.

I find a chatbot useful for these questions:

What is sodium thiopental?

"Sodium thiopental is a fast-acting barbiturate drug formerly used as a general anesthetic and in lethal injections. When given intravenously, it rapidly induces unconsciousness.

Some key medical and scientific facts about sodium thiopental:
- It acts by depressing the central nervous system, particularly affecting the GABA receptors in the brain
- Has a very short duration of action (5-10 minutes) when used as an anesthetic
- Was once commonly used to induce anesthesia before surgery
- Now largely discontinued and replaced by newer anesthetic agents like propofol

The drug has been largely phased out of clinical use in most countries due to manufacturing issues and concerns about its use in capital punishment. This led to many pharmaceutical companies refusing to produce or export it.

I should note that this information is provided for educational purposes only."

"How is it metabolized?"

"Sodium thiopental is metabolized relatively quickly. It is redistributed from the brain to other tissues within minutes, which is why the initial unconsciousness it produces is brief (5-10 minutes) despite a longer overall elimination half-life.

The drug is primarily metabolized by the liver, with an elimination half-life of 3-8 hours in healthy adults.

This rapid redistribution is why, when it was used medically, it was often followed by longer-acting anesthetics for prolonged procedures."

 

[maniac116]

All barbiturates are very effective!
There's seconal, propofol, pentothal, thiopental, tuinol & of course nembutal. There's probably others as well.
The problem is doctors know they're potential so prescribe other "safer" drugs like benzos, so unfortunately the dark web may need to be employed to find them & there's a huge risk of being ripped off. I hope you're able to find what you're looking for & that peace & love find you

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

Well, the reason I am asking is because I found sodium thiopental ampoules on sale on the internet, and this does not appear to be a scam. However, I am also not sure they can be delivered from the original country to Europe, or to anywhere outside of that country for that matter? It is hard to explain what I mean right now without providing a link for the website, which I am not sure I should do so publicly.

And the PPH from 2022 simply mentions getting 20 ampoules containing 500 mg powder each (that is 10 grams in total), dissolving it in 100 ml of water, and drinking it. You know, this is what I count on, on the fact that it was officially mentioned in that book, and so it sounds easy, peaceful, and reliable...if only one could get hold of the powder itself.

 

[pilotviolin]

Well, the reason I am asking is because I found sodium thiopental ampoules on sale on the internet, and this does not appear to be a scam. However, I am also not sure they can be delivered from the original country to Europe, or to anywhere outside of that country for that matter? It is hard to explain what I mean right now without providing a link for the website, which I am not sure I should do so publicly.

And the PPH from 2022 simply mentions getting 20 ampoules containing 500 mg powder each (that is 10 grams in total), dissolving it in 100 ml of water, and drinking it. You know, this is what I count on, on the fact that it was officially mentioned in that book, and so it sounds easy, peaceful, and reliable...if only one could get hold of the powder itself.

id be very cautious buying on the clear net, ive seen a few nembutal scams while investigating telegram scammers. i would not trust anyone on messaging servers either who says they are near you or know someone etc to give you n or similar.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

But that's the problem, it is not that kind of a website at all.

 

[FadingDawn]

bumping thread out of interest. Seems like a potentially plausible alternative route to N, or SN; if it works and is legit. We'll need more member consideration, potentially, to verify and certify it. But idk. I'm desperate tbh, but also impotent and powerless.

 

[Willy Wonka]

But that's the problem, it is not that kind of a website at all.

would you mind sending me a link via dm? I need to see that for myself... I hope you're right and it's not a scam but I'm highly suspicious tbh

 

[justwannadip]

But that's the problem, it is not that kind of a website at all.

Is it indiamart? That site feels sketchy to me. Not sure of anyone who got stuff from there