Discussion The Battle to Live and the Reductive View of SS by non-members

[Darkmoon Queen]

I was in the chat today and yesterday. You know what I saw? I saw people talking about Chess. I saw people discussing Russian. I saw people discussing Linux distros and songs and all kinds of hobbies.

I don't expect a non-member to understand us completely. But I loathe and despise this baseless belief that this is a forum that basically encourages people to off themselves, as if we're trawling the web for impressionable people to lure into our death cult because we enjoy it.

Even a cursory glance at the posts and chat disproves this notion instantly. Yes, we talk suicide, we talk methods. We talk about the dark shit that you have made more than clear is totally unacceptable to you.

People fight for a long time to live. They indulge hobbies that they aren't truly enjoying in the hopes the anhedonia will shift even just a little. They seek professional help. They set arbitrary goals as if losing that extra 10lbs will change their world.

But more than this, they attempt to reach out. And nine times out of ten are simply told to stop being a misery.

When, tragically, some of these people do commit suicide, the same people who told them to snap out of it and stop making everyone upset target sites like this as if the suicide came out of nowhere. We hear, "I had no idea" constantly in the news. I can't tell you how angry this makes me.

Yes, you did. You fucking knew. You stuck your fingers in your ears, went lalalala and now you need a villain who isn't you.

I know some will suicide anyway and I know it isn't up to another person to carry you emotionally. But I think most of us have to admit that that one non-judgemental voice from someone we love would have helped us immeasurably.

We fight to live, often for years. And then even in death, we get treated as weak-minded individuals who simply got groomed by the very people who are too weak to listen.

I'm sorry if this is angry or ranty or whatever but it's how I feel and I hate it.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, you are right. This website is needed, and if it was taken away people would feel more desperate and isolated. Taking away method information would mean that people would attempt risky methods and be damaged from a failed attempt. The only way to reduce suicides is to focus and deal with the root causes of what makes people suicidal in the first place.
On this website, we respect people's personal decisions whether they choose to live or die. We have the right to take our own lives at a time of our own choosing anyway. Society is the problem, expecting people to suffer for decades. Many people are hypocritical. Those pro lifers are delusional.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

Yes, you are right. This website is needed, and if it was taken away people would feel more desperate and isolated. Taking away method information would mean that people would attempt risky methods and be damaged from a failed attempt. The only way to reduce suicides is to focus and deal with the root causes of what makes people suicidal in the first place.
On this website, we respect people's personal decisions whether they choose to live or die. We have the right to take our own lives at a time of our own choosing anyway. Society is the problem, expecting people to suffer for decades. Many people are hypocritical. Those pro lifers are delusional.

It's the absolute closemindedness. "This isn't something I've personally experienced thus it either doesn't exist or is nowhere near the big deal you say it is."
It's the same attitude that makes people lonely in the first place. They are delusional.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

I know some will suicide anyway and I know it isn't up to another person to carry you emotionally.

This part is very important, because despite it not being up to another person to carry you (us) emotionally we are expected to continue living, as if others are allowed to be emotionally-reliant on us.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

This part is very important, because despite it not being up to another person to carry you (us) emotionally we are expected to continue living, as if others are allowed to be emotionally-reliant on us.

This is another hypocrisy. If someone "normal" (in their words, not mine) complains about something, people brush it off and just think, "oh, they're having a bad day/something legitimately bad happened". Even if they're openly pissed off and aggressive every single day and you just know a storm is coming whenever they appear. Even if they're a bully. Oh they're just assertive, at least they aren't depressed and weird.

We learn to suppress being openly pissed off because even if we've been smiling for 364 days of the year, that one day where WE get pissed off, everyone battens down the hatches. We aren't allowed the bad day or the negative opinion, no matter how justified. Everyone goes on the hard defensive because, "OH NO THE SUICIDAL PERSON IS COMPLAINING/BEING HEAVY AGAIN". Even if you just say, "my co-worker is being a dick today" or something, it's immediately treated like the negativity ohhhhhhh noooooooooooo.

So not only are you struggling with thoughts, you're just never allowed to connect to others if you're anything less than ecstatic. They never even try to connect with your annoyances and your anger like they do with others. An entire side of you is rejected by everyone and that makes your self esteem plummet even further.

It isn't up to anyone to carry you but human beings are social creatures and rejection is shown to hurt survival. It also lights up pain centres in the brain. If people wanted to prevent suicides and depression, they'd work on closing these gaps instead of being omgnegative twats themselves.