Venting "that's life"

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there are many inevitabilities that i just don't want to deal with in the future: working some job that i hate just so i can make enough money to barely survive, never having enough time to actually enjoy life... just one thing after another. a majority of adults are depressed, right? i don't know if i can live with this depression.

whenever i rant about those sorts of things, i'm met with the same responses of people just telling me "that's life"/"that's part of being an adult". why should i have to live miserably? people acknowledge these inevitabilities that make life so much worse, but can't seem to fathom why someone would want to ctb.
what, i should prolong this life with guaranteed depression and stress, proceed to live out my painful, lonely elderly years, then die anyways... just because that's what life is?

i see many young-ish people who start their careers and then immediately talk about looking forward to retirement. how bleak is that? committing to something that'll likely last for the majority of your lifetime, and already anticipating the end of it.
i don't see many people who have retired, anyways. most elderly people i've met are still working and will likely do so until they die because the economy is just that fucked up. it's such a sad existence. even if you do manage to retire... so what? a lifetime of struggling just for a few years of freedom and a bit of money? you'll likely be dealing with a plethora of health issues from the stress you had to deal with during your working years + the issues that come with old age... then you die. that's what this all leads up to? why should i live that life? why is that the adult thing to do? that life is not worth living, in my opinion.
choosing a life of misery and pain just because "grr suicide is bad >:(" is honestly the dumbest thing i've ever heard. it doesn't make any sense.

i know i'm very young. i'm still attending university and i live at home, so i haven't had to directly deal with most of these realities yet. i've only gotten hints of what's to come with adulthood and i don't think i can handle it.
i do understand why people choose to live despite this bleak existence, but i don't think i'll ever have enough reasons to push me into living out such a life.

apologies for poor grammar, i don't feel like proofreading this.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

It makes sense to adopt such a resigned, servile attitude if you're religious but I don't think the secular world has any excuse tbh. They've maintained the religious belief that life is sacred but can no longer explain why. We'll finally free ourselves once we take that extra step and accept that no, life is not sacred, and none of us are obligated to stay.

For me, suicide amounts to the highest expression of dignity.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I especially don't understand it when parents say it. It's like- right- you see it: life's incredibly difficult. Maybe it's not even desirable in a lot of ways. So- knowing that- Why did you create more life?

I just find it bizarre like- life is something you just find yourself in. It just came about by magic and now, you have to just suck it up. But- that's not true at all. Life happens because two people decided they wanted to create it, or they were careless and were too late to stop it. From then on- it's also primarily them that insist we live in a particular way. Effectively that at some point, we stop being a burden on them and the roles reverse- we look after them. It feels like a living insurance policy. Yet, at the same time- they'll often complain that they had it worse. That so much more was expected of them. It's sometimes so clear they didn't/ don't enjoy that. So- why would they assume we would?

I just can't fathom it. Maybe their lives were good enough in other areas for them to believe their children's would be too. I really don't know. How many people really are all that happy though?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

there are many inevitabilities that i just don't want to deal with in the future: working some job that i hate just so i can make enough money to barely survive, never having enough time to actually enjoy life... just one thing after another. a majority of adults are depressed, right? i don't know if i can live with this depression.

whenever i rant about those sorts of things, i'm met with the same responses of people just telling me "that's life"/"that's part of being an adult". why should i have to live miserably? people acknowledge these inevitabilities that make life so much worse, but can't seem to fathom why someone would want to ctb.
what, i should prolong this life with guaranteed depression and stress, proceed to live out my painful, lonely elderly years, then die anyways... just because that's what life is?

i see many young-ish people who start their careers and then immediately talk about looking forward to retirement. how bleak is that? committing to something that'll likely last for the majority of your lifetime, and already anticipating the end of it.
i don't see many people who have retired, anyways. most elderly people i've met are still working and will likely do so until they die because the economy is just that fucked up. it's such a sad existence. even if you do manage to retire... so what? a lifetime of struggling just for a few years of freedom and a bit of money? you'll likely be dealing with a plethora of health issues from the stress you had to deal with during your working years + the issues that come with old age... then you die. that's what this all leads up to? why should i live that life? why is that the adult thing to do? that life is not worth living, in my opinion.
choosing a life of misery and pain just because "grr suicide is bad >:(" is honestly the dumbest thing i've ever heard. it doesn't make any sense.

i know i'm very young. i'm still attending university and i live at home, so i haven't had to directly deal with most of these realities yet. i've only gotten hints of what's to come with adulthood and i don't think i can handle it.
i do understand why people choose to live despite this bleak existence, but i don't think i'll ever have enough reasons to push me into living out such a life.

apologies for poor grammar, i don't feel like proofreading this.

You attend university, so you are privileged. You have the chance to do something you are burning for, the money will not be the driving factor but it will be more than you need. I talk from my own experience. If life is temporary hard learn the art of self motivation.

 

[Szarur-abi]

You managed to articulate something that i was aware of for a while but wasnt able to put this into coherent words, thank you.

And im sure if some pro-lifer or regular people would read it he would make some silly arguments on why life is worth, i guess its almost impossible to convince someone that if life is miserable then you dont have to be forced to live throught it.

I really dont understand how some people can put throught it while living on minimum wages or suffering back breaking debts for their entire lifes (especially in USA and student debts) while society expects them to live throught this shit while entire world suffers from climate catastrophe that only gets worse every year...

Honestly putting someone to this world is kinda egoistic knowing all of life hardships and bleak future outlook on world as a whole you put someone out there without his consent knowing that he will probably suffer the same or more than you...

 

[ijustwishtodie]

There's one thing that I don't understand about pro lifers. If they acknowledge the bad things in life by saying "that's just life", why on earth do they procreate? Why don't they ever think that perhaps some people don't want the bad things that are a part of life? Why is it so taboo to say "if this is life, I don't want it"? Life has no function or value. We're suffering for no reason at all and, even if there was a reason, I doubt it could ever justify the suffering. Life is futile and pointless

It makes sense to adopt such a resigned, servile attitude if you're religious but I don't think the secular world has any excuse tbh. They've maintained the religious belief that life is sacred but can no longer explain why. We'll finally free ourselves once we take that extra step and accept that no, life is not sacred, and none of us are obligated to stay.

For me, suicide amounts to the highest expression of dignity.

To me, it makes sense seeing the secular world being under the influence of a different kind of religion, namely the "pro life religion". I don't see them as any smarter than actual religious people when it comes to them talking about how valuable life is and whatever

 

[divinemistress36]

I will never understand how people justify all the suffering in the world

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

There's one thing that I don't understand about pro lifers. If they acknowledge the bad things in life by saying "that's just life", why on earth do they procreate? Why don't they ever think that perhaps some people don't want the bad things that are a part of life? Why is it so taboo to say "if this is life, I don't want it"? Life has no function or value. We're suffering for no reason at all and, even if there was a reason, I doubt it could ever justify the suffering. Life is futile and pointless

The difference is that they don't see life as a basic equation of

good - bad

, like we do. For me, as soon as that equation tilted to the negative, it became obvious to me that life was not worth it, and I'm guessing it was the same for you. We're a minority though; most others see it as

good - bad + nonmaterial meaning

, so even if they suffer egregiously, and even if that suffering outweighs the pleasure in their lives, the equation still comes out positive.

They then make the faulty assumption that just because their equation turned out positive, that means their children's equations will also be positive. And to be fair, I'd say the majority of the time, that assumption is true; most people don't want to kill themselves. But the problem is that if they're wrong, the consequence--a human being involuntarily trapped in their suffering--is grave and nearly unforgivable.

 

[pariah80]

there are many inevitabilities that i just don't want to deal with in the future: working some job that i hate just so i can make enough money to barely survive, never having enough time to actually enjoy life... just one thing after another. a majority of adults are depressed, right? i don't know if i can live with this depression.

whenever i rant about those sorts of things, i'm met with the same responses of people just telling me "that's life"/"that's part of being an adult". why should i have to live miserably? people acknowledge these inevitabilities that make life so much worse, but can't seem to fathom why someone would want to ctb.
what, i should prolong this life with guaranteed depression and stress, proceed to live out my painful, lonely elderly years, then die anyways... just because that's what life is?

i see many young-ish people who start their careers and then immediately talk about looking forward to retirement. how bleak is that? committing to something that'll likely last for the majority of your lifetime, and already anticipating the end of it.
i don't see many people who have retired, anyways. most elderly people i've met are still working and will likely do so until they die because the economy is just that fucked up. it's such a sad existence. even if you do manage to retire... so what? a lifetime of struggling just for a few years of freedom and a bit of money? you'll likely be dealing with a plethora of health issues from the stress you had to deal with during your working years + the issues that come with old age... then you die. that's what this all leads up to? why should i live that life? why is that the adult thing to do? that life is not worth living, in my opinion.
choosing a life of misery and pain just because "grr suicide is bad >:(" is honestly the dumbest thing i've ever heard. it doesn't make any sense.

i know i'm very young. i'm still attending university and i live at home, so i haven't had to directly deal with most of these realities yet. i've only gotten hints of what's to come with adulthood and i don't think i can handle it.
i do understand why people choose to live despite this bleak existence, but i don't think i'll ever have enough reasons to push me into living out such a life.

apologies for poor grammar, i don't feel like proofreading this.

Most people just want others to buy into cope. When I was a teenager, and voiced suicidality, I was also met with the flimsiest, lamest, most empty reasons to go on. "Well, if you die, you can't see that new movie coming out. You can't listen to music anymore. Don't you want to just stick around and see what happens in this crazy world of ours?" These are all said out of a cynical type of nostalgia. Most people have accepted working like slaves and 'hustle culture' as life. They've accepted that the world is the way it is and there's nothing that can be done about it. So, we might as well just dance in the piss and call it rain. It's the whole "honeybee/fly" analogy. This is all most people know. Only a few people have come to even barely understand that life doesn't have to be this way if humans don't want it to be.

Some of those people also come to realize that people don't want to change anything, because they fear change. So, they decide to catch the bus. See, a lot of people see suicide as 'giving up.' I guess that's true to an extent. However, plodging along in a futile existence and accepting the self-imposed inequities and injustices of life as 'the way it is' is giving up as well. To me, that's worse. To accept being pissed on by life and just going along until life decides to kill you anyway. To accept temporary, fleeting attention from people as 'love.' To drudge along day after day in loneliness and misery, with nothing to keep you going but hopeless hope that things will get better at some point. To constantly fall in and out of financial trouble just to feed and house oneself. THAT'S hell.

 

[divinemistress36]

Most people just want others to buy into cope. When I was a teenager, and voiced suicidality, I was also met with the flimsiest, lamest, most empty reasons to go on. "Well, if you die, you can't see that new movie coming out. You can't listen to music anymore. Don't you want to just stick around and see what happens in this crazy world of ours?" These are all said out of a cynical type of nostalgia. Most people have accepted working like slaves and 'hustle culture' as life. They've accepted that the world is the way it is and there's nothing that can be done about it. So, we might as well just dance in the piss and call it rain. It's the whole "honeybee/fly" analogy. This is all most people know. Only a few people have come to even barely understand that life doesn't have to be this way if humans don't want it to be.

Some of those people also come to realize that people don't want to change anything, because they fear change. So, they decide to catch the bus. See, a lot of people see suicide as 'giving up.' I guess that's true to an extent. However, plodging along in a futile existence and accepting the self-imposed inequities and injustices of life as 'the way it is' is giving up as well. To me, that's worse. To accept being pissed on by life and just going along until life decides to kill you anyway. To accept temporary, fleeting attention from people as 'love.' To drudge along day after day in loneliness and misery, with nothing to keep you going but hopeless hope that things will get better at some point. To constantly fall in and out of financial trouble just to feed and house oneself. THAT'S hell.

Well said . This is the realest shit Ive read all week

 

[TAW122]

Yeah that's such a cop-out statement stated by many normies and pro-lifers/anti-choicers. I get vexed and annoyed when I hear such shallow platitudes and statements as well. I personally don't see enjoyment in life and even before I became a wage slave, I always saw life as some imposed state that came about without my consent or say in the matter. The difference between now and before is that I at least have more means to carry out my CTB and having a job or stuff didn't make enjoy life more, it just allowed me a bit more financial freedom to afford better copes (coping is not the same as enjoying life!), but in the end, I still rather die than to work until I die or to waste away with any amount of retirement money saved up.

 

[cait_sith]

It doesn't make me feel better that everyone suffers and is getting older, I am not everyone. Everyone lives in their own world and suffers differently so it's not the same for everyone. It's horrible for me and I don't want it, I don't care how people have it worse or better or anything. I thought I shouldn't compare myself to others but when it comes to suffering I suddenly should and have to accept it and put it into the perspective of everyone suffering. I don't care, if other people make it to old age without killing themselves that's good for them but I am not them.

 

[bitcrushing]

kinda hard to tell if one should feel bad for them in that they're deluded enough to put up with wageslavery, but on the flipside maybe these people really do have something going on outside of the monotonous parts of living that justifies them repeating that platitude

maybe as a forum that's not necessarily pro-living we're biased towards the former viewpoint, not that that's necessarily a bad thing

if they really do have that something that keeps them going i do want it but so far no luck finding it

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

Exactly, Exactly!
What's so wrong with wanting out of a life that's inevitably tortures and drains the life out of you, and dont forget it fuckin gaslights you into becoming more cattle for the system thats made to make you belive you have no choice in your own life, its like some propaganda type shit, you structure your system in a way that psychologically influences others, weather it be news tv shows and the constant acknowledgement of the visible system you have to at least see a little when you go into public spaces,, and as time goes on physical issues are bound to occur,, if I don't want to be apart of this system that's everywehre further then my eyes can see then why is it so taboo so selfish so inconceivable to not want to be apart of all that around us we can't change,, because we're cattle.