Discussion Telling me suicide is a "permanent solution" to problems makes me WANT IT MORE!!

[doublecupj]

Think about, wouldn't you want your solution to be permanent?

Otherwise WTF is the purpose of trying to solve problems? The way I see it, life is nothing but constant struggle and problems. Even when you're happy and content, it's brief. Christmas really only lasts a few hours every year and then it's back to the grind.

So yeah, I've never understood why this phrase is supposed to deter me from CTB. The word "permanent" feels beautiful to me.

 

[Sulyya]

Counterpoint: "No we said temporary problems!"

Counter-counterpoint: "Yeah problems - plural. There are infinite problems and they'll never stop piling on. Oh wait, they will! If......"

 

[Zegers]

CTB is an option, sometimes a solution, just a part of society needs some time to embrace it, or not, but it will happen anyway.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I absolutely hate that saying, it's SO dismissive. Like is that the best they can come up with? No one knows what someone else is dealing with, or how temporary their problems are. It's not even trying to understand what a person is going through just patronising them. And they're so naive they think they've just fixed you saying that. It offends me actually, because it's acting as if someone wants to CTB because they got a bad grade in school or something. People have real soul crushing reasons to CTB. It's up there with "there are people worse off than you" another dismissive load of shite. People who are talking about wanting to CTB want others to listen and understand them not dismiss their pain. Well this is JMO, maybe that platitude helps others IDK.

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

i hadnt thought of it that way before but i feel the same. also like, they always say "permanent solution to a temporary problem" but what if the problem is permanent? what if the problem is a long-term illness? what if the problem is existence itself? i guess any problem is temporary in that it ends with death but uh, doesnt that just make a strong case for the "permanent solution"?

 

[absolomonisgone]

People that want to live nobody tell them to kill themselves. Why do they tell people that want to die to live?

 

[MoonlitNight]

Think about, wouldn't you want your solution to be permanent?

Otherwise WTF is the purpose of trying to solve problems? The way I see it, life is nothing but constant struggle and problems. Even when you're happy and content, it's brief. Christmas really only lasts a few hours every year and then it's back to the grind.

So yeah, I've never understood why this phrase is supposed to deter me from CTB. The word "permanent" feels beautiful to me.

Well, you see. For some people life has ups and downs. So what they're trying to say is 'Dont permanently throw yourself into a void over a temporary thing where you cant experience happiness too'

I'll never understand the people looking for joy. This is life, everything is temporary except death (Even chronic illnesses are ended by death! Think of the most complicated thing in life and there will be some end of it!) Of course no one will stay happy forever. But people do live for those brief moments because those moments (maybe a person, or some form of nostalgia or a dream they achieved) are worth a lot to them.

But it is rarely a good thing to tell a suffering person. Like on of the replies said, chronic illnesses and such exist. In that case you can only be there for the person while they wait for their impending doom, it would not be nice. The phrase really is dismissive because even traumatic life experiences can be short, it is the impact on the person's life that matters. Not the fucking time.

Basically, they have things in life they look forward to that are worth to them. They don't understand that some people don't. And this is why this misconception happens. I hope my answer satisfied you, please do tell me if there's a flaw on my insight

It offends me actually, because it's acting as if someone wants to CTB because they got a bad grade in school or something.

Now im offended-
Have you ever grown up in Asia? (this may not apply for all) I know all the memes and stuff may be just laughs for others but parents really do give us hell for not getting full grades. The population is large here and so is the competition. Grades are nearly equivalent to our success in life now.
I hope you mean well but please find another way to phrase it.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Well, you see. For some people life has ups and downs. So what they're trying to say is 'Dont permanently throw yourself into a void over a temporary thing where you cant experience happiness too'

I'll never understand the people looking for joy. This is life, of course no one will stay happy forever. But people do live for those brief moments because those moments (maybe a person, or some form of nostalgia or a dream they achieved) are worth a lot to them.

But it is rarely a good thing to tell a suffering person. Like on of the replies said, chronic illnesses and such exist. In that case you can only be there for the person while they wait for their impending doom, it would not be nice.

Basically, they have things in life they look forward to that are worth to them. They don't understand that some people don't. And this is why this misconception happens. I hope my answer satisfied you, please do tell me if there's a flaw on my insight

Now im offended-
Have you ever grown up in Asia? I know all the memes and stuff may be just laughs for others but parents really do give us hell for not getting full grades. The population is large here and so is the competition. Grades are nearly equivalent to our success in life now.
I hope you mean well but please find another way to phrase it.

They only want to feel important to themselves and to you by telling you how important to live is very important and good thing like them

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Now im offended-
Have you ever grown up in Asia? (this may not apply for all) I know all the memes and stuff may be just laughs for others but parents really do give us hell for not getting full grades. The population is large here and so is the competition. Grades are nearly equivalent to our success in life now.
I hope you mean well but please find another way to phrase it.

Wow I had no idea, sorry. Are you saying people DO CTB over getting a bad grade? Totally no offence meant, I know very little of Asian culture (clearly) I had no clue that would offend someone. It's not a big deal in my culture I guess I didn't realise.

 

[CentreMid]

Think about, wouldn't you want your solution to be permanent?

Otherwise WTF is the purpose of trying to solve problems? The way I see it, life is nothing but constant struggle and problems. Even when you're happy and content, it's brief. Christmas really only lasts a few hours every year and then it's back to the grind.

So yeah, I've never understood why this phrase is supposed to deter me from CTB. The word "permanent" feels beautiful to me.

I agree. Although there are some ups, being alive is a net negative. There will be far more suffering than good (with the exception of a select few), and the way I see it, it would have been better for me to not have been born at all instead of being forced to live in whatever hellscape of a world this is. Non-existence means no more suffering. Of course there would be no way to feel joy because non-existence is devoid of any and all feeling whatsoever, but at least there is no suffering. There's just nothing. Of course I want to go to zero suffering that instead of waiting for the chance of another temporary high!

 

[MoonlitNight]

I agree. Although there are some ups, being alive is a net negative.

That was not my point. Though if you want you may see it that way, I believe I have things in the future worth looking forward to. Well, if what i plan works out at least..

Wow I had no idea, sorry. Are you saying people DO CTB over getting a bad grade? Totally no offence meant, I know very little of Asian culture (clearly) I had no clue that would offend someone. It's not a big deal in my culture I guess I didn't realise.

Yes. It is very common here.
And I feel like I'll follow soon..

 

[FuneralCry]

The fact is that as long as one exists there will always be problems and death solves every one of them. In fact I view life itself as being the true problem, as without life there are no problems and suffering. The nonexistent are incapable of having any problems and that is what I consider as being ideal. No matter what pro lifers say, the truth is that anybody should be able to exit this life at any moment they wish. It's cruel to want to deny people this and not accept the right to die. But yes, it sounds so ideal having a permanent solution. Death is the only thing that appeals to me.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Think about, wouldn't you want your solution to be permanent?

Otherwise WTF is the purpose of trying to solve problems? The way I see it, life is nothing but constant struggle and problems. Even when you're happy and content, it's brief. Christmas really only lasts a few hours every year and then it's back to the grind.

So yeah, I've never understood why this phrase is supposed to deter me from CTB. The word "permanent" feels beautiful to me.

I love your logic here.

I guess some people don't understand other people have so many problems thrown at them that they just don't want to deal with the constant barrage of problems, regardless of whether they get anything good out of life or not.

 

[Darkover]

there's nothing temporary about a brain injury it's permanent into death do us apart

 

[horo]

Permanent solution seems appealing, but. I think that CTB is not a solution to any problem, it is removing the roots of the problem. For example if your plant need more water, giving them water will be solution, but destroying them doesn't seems like a solution.
Sorry for the bad example.

 

[CentreMid]

That was not my point. Though if you want you may see it that way, I believe I have things in the future worth looking forward to. Well, if what i plan works out at least..

I was agreeing with OP, I should've clarified that, sorry! I'm glad you have things worth looking forward to though.

 

[MoonlitNight]

I was agreeing with OP, I should've clarified that, sorry! I'm glad you have things worth looking forward to though.

Oops! That was my bad actually.. I somehow thought you were replying to me. No way to make youre reply clearer tho. Thanks for understanding

 

[5417807]

I agree w OP, can't stand when people say this sorta shit. Like yeah it's permanent but you know what else is? All my health conditions that have no cure. I think it's pretty insensitive when people call shit they don't know about "temporary problems"

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Think about, wouldn't you want your solution to be permanent?

Otherwise WTF is the purpose of trying to solve problems? The way I see it, life is nothing but constant struggle and problems. Even when you're happy and content, it's brief. Christmas really only lasts a few hours every year and then it's back to the grind.

So yeah, I've never understood why this phrase is supposed to deter me from CTB. The word "permanent" feels beautiful to me.

Suicide is the permanent solution to the temporary problem of life !!!