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- Aug 18, 2020
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I read several news articles today about war crimes.They are very condemnable and shocking because they are crimes against humanity. I was surprised to read (maybe I was too naive) there are also war crimes committed by Ukraine. In my opinion they are way less evil than the Russian war crimes but they are also violating the geneva convention (or other contracts but they are war crimes.)
Maybe this thread will start a war I rather should deliver some proofs. My original sources for that are two German news articles which won't be a help for most people in this forum. I cannot find an English one about it.
Here it is even behind a paywall...
https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/krie...oennen-a-e3986452-355c-4c18-ad10-0004f6bcda7d
I want to emphasizze that Russia is the aggressor in this war. Especially the murderous Putin with his warlords. There is the Wagner group which is allied with Putin. They have the Nazi SS as role model. It is quite cynical that Putin is the one who calls the Ukrainian government Nazis when he is allied with them. There is a wikipedia article about them if you don't believe me.
Now to the Ukrainian war crimes. I find them rather harmless compared to the Russian war crimes. Putin is a fucking monster. He bombs civilians for example in schools, hospitals or even humanitarian corridors. This is really despicable but it is his war strategy in order to demoralize the Ukrainian people. Disgusting.
The Ukrainians make the following. They force Russian soldiers to take part in press conferences where they have to condemn the war against Ukraine. I read they are forced to call their parents and cry to stop the war. And these videos are then broadcasted. Seemingly this is a war crime according to some contracts. Soliders should not be instrumentalized in such a way. They have to be treated with dignity when they are in war captivity and this seemingly violates their dignity.
To be honest I don't know what I shall think about this. I have mixed feelings about it. But I think this thread might be explosive....this is why the warning.
I don't think these "war crimes" are extremely horrible compared to the Russian ones. If I was Ukraine I might behave in the exact same way. On the other side a war crime keeps a war crime. It is really important that those rules are followed. Otherwise war becomes even more barbaric. Now the other highly complicated question. Do I have to follow these rules despite the fact my enemy violates them? I would say yes. But war in general is ethically highly problematic. But being a pacifist won't have any benefit. You rather end up tortured in the gulag as a pacifist.
What do you think about the Ukrainian "war crimes"? Do you think this behavior should count as a war crime? How condemnable do you find it?
I like ethical debates this is why this thread might be interesting for me. However they are sometimes quite heated.
Maybe this thread will start a war I rather should deliver some proofs. My original sources for that are two German news articles which won't be a help for most people in this forum. I cannot find an English one about it.
Here it is even behind a paywall...
https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/krie...oennen-a-e3986452-355c-4c18-ad10-0004f6bcda7d
I want to emphasizze that Russia is the aggressor in this war. Especially the murderous Putin with his warlords. There is the Wagner group which is allied with Putin. They have the Nazi SS as role model. It is quite cynical that Putin is the one who calls the Ukrainian government Nazis when he is allied with them. There is a wikipedia article about them if you don't believe me.
Now to the Ukrainian war crimes. I find them rather harmless compared to the Russian war crimes. Putin is a fucking monster. He bombs civilians for example in schools, hospitals or even humanitarian corridors. This is really despicable but it is his war strategy in order to demoralize the Ukrainian people. Disgusting.
The Ukrainians make the following. They force Russian soldiers to take part in press conferences where they have to condemn the war against Ukraine. I read they are forced to call their parents and cry to stop the war. And these videos are then broadcasted. Seemingly this is a war crime according to some contracts. Soliders should not be instrumentalized in such a way. They have to be treated with dignity when they are in war captivity and this seemingly violates their dignity.
To be honest I don't know what I shall think about this. I have mixed feelings about it. But I think this thread might be explosive....this is why the warning.
I don't think these "war crimes" are extremely horrible compared to the Russian ones. If I was Ukraine I might behave in the exact same way. On the other side a war crime keeps a war crime. It is really important that those rules are followed. Otherwise war becomes even more barbaric. Now the other highly complicated question. Do I have to follow these rules despite the fact my enemy violates them? I would say yes. But war in general is ethically highly problematic. But being a pacifist won't have any benefit. You rather end up tortured in the gulag as a pacifist.
What do you think about the Ukrainian "war crimes"? Do you think this behavior should count as a war crime? How condemnable do you find it?
I like ethical debates this is why this thread might be interesting for me. However they are sometimes quite heated.