Synthesis of N

[Deleted member 14386]

It doesn't look hard. Why has no-one done this? There are legally obtainable precursors that (I would imagine) would pay themselves of by quite a bit

 

[noko]

I'm interested in this, can you post some links?

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I don't know if this against the rules, someone please advise if so


"2-Bromopentane, and Bromoethane, used for the side chains, are attached to the dietyl malonate to form the modified diethyl malonate. Then this modified diethyl malonate is condensed, or attached to the urea to form pentobarbital. " Is what I found on reddit



edit: I mean yeah it'd require a lab or lab-type equipments, but I had access to this stuff at college.

 

[Meretlein]

Because the equipment you need is hard to get.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Because the equipment you need is hard to get.

I thought that would be the issue. But a boy can dream lol

 

[faust]

Oh, I thought before it is easier to get N from barbituric acid. N is derivative of barbituric acid. Nice information, thank you!
Edit: sorry, another name of barbituric acid is malonylurea so guess it is the same thing then

 

[Deleted member 14386]

If I'm completely honest, I can get the lab equipment, I was once offered free access to a top of the line "Breaking bad" type lab (I had a look around it was really something) in exchange for a certain kg of MDMA per week. I might look into this some more, cheap N is needed.

Oh, I thought before it is easier to get N from barbituric acid. N is derivative of barbituric acid. Nice information, thank you!
Edit: sorry, another name of barbituric acid is malonylurea so guess it is the same thing then

Yeah I will have to do tests and so forth. Announcing it here probably isn't good either but for me it's more of a passion project haha
edit: yeah same thing I think, still do-able

 

[faust]

If I'm completely honest, I can get the lab equipment, I was once offered free access to a top of the line "Breaking bad" type lab (I had a look around it was really something) in exchange for a certain kg of MDMA per week. I might look into this some more, cheap N is needed.

I thought about this too, but I am in Ireland. Could not even order equipment from China, all mail services suspended due to coronavirus. Any chance of getting from UK/Germany/US?

 

[Meretlein]

If I'm completely honest, I can get the lab equipment, I was once offered free access to a top of the line "Breaking bad" type lab (I had a look around it was really something) in exchange for a certain kg of MDMA per week. I might look into this some more, cheap N is needed.

Yeah I will have to do tests and so forth. Announcing it here probably isn't good either but for me it's more of a passion project haha

I don't think it would be worth the risk of selling it to people. You would get caught real quick since people would be offing themselves with your product, drawing police attention to you sooner.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I thought about this too, but I am in Ireland. Could not even order equipment from China, all mail services suspended due to coronavirus. Any chance of getting from UK/Germany/US?

The lab I was offered was in the UK, I can't be too specific but it had everything I could want.

I don't think it would be worth the risk of selling it to people. You would get caught real quick since people would be offing themselves with your product, drawing police attention to you sooner.

This is also something I am slowly taking into account. The weight of the synthesis and getting it out alone could crush a man
edit: also the mdma would bring more heat down. Alright now I get why this hasn't been done before lmao

 

[faust]

I don't think it would be worth the risk of selling it to people. You would get caught real quick since people would be offing themselves with your product, drawing police attention to you sooner.

I don't think it is about selling, it is more about curiosity. My buddies once bought everything to synthesise amphetamine. And it was the only one time they used the equipment lol. We are used to buy everything ready-made, it is not the same as cooking dinner.

The lab I was offered was in the UK, I can't be too specific but it had everything I could want.

This is also something I am slowly taking into account. The weight of the synthesis and getting it out alone could crush a man

Idk how much does the equipment cost, but it is possible all the necessary things will cost more than just two bottles of N. It is not that easy to get pure N from the first try. You will need much more reagents in case if you mess up.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I don't think it is about selling, it is more about curiosity. My buddies once bought everything to synthesise amphetamine. And it was the only one time they used the equipment lol. We are used to buy everything ready-made, it is not the same as cooking dinner.

Idk how much does the equipment cost, but it is possible all the necessary things will cost more than just two bottles of N. It is not that easy to get pure N from the first try. You will need much more reagents in case if you mess up.

Ahaha! I learnt this trying to do simple stuff outlined in the PiHKAL&TiKHAL books, if you aren't a master chef you can follow the recipe all you want, but you won't know when/if it goes wrong!

 

[faust]

Ahaha! I learnt this trying to do simple stuff outlined in the PiHKAL&TiKHAL books, if you aren't a master chef you can follow the recipe all you want, but you won't know when/if it goes wrong!

Ye, and you need to have some equipment to check the purity. I guess the first time it will be a huge mess, non-sterile thing which will cause diarrhea sooner than euthanasia lol

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Ye, and you need to have some equipment to check the purity. I guess the first time it will be a huge mess, non-sterile thing which will cause diarrhea sooner than euthanasia lol

Yup that's another issue, testing. Godamnit!

 

[faust]

Yup that's another issue, testing. Godamnit!

Ye, spectrography and/or chromatography (?)

 

[Deleted member 14386]

yea I'd probably just fork out the 80Eur for EC at that point lol, I aint no guinea pig!

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

Please search the forums for Homemade Nembutal. I did some research a while back and found that it's quite tough to do without the protection of a fume hood. It involves heating a lot of chemicals to high temperatures over long periods of time.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

The lab I was offered was in the UK, I can't be too specific but it had everything I could want.

This is also something I am slowly taking into account. The weight of the synthesis and getting it out alone could crush a man
edit: also the mdma would bring more heat down. Alright now I get why this hasn't been done before lmao

please read my post, this is not a kitchen synthesis. I have access to a lab with fume-hoods, fumigation chambers and lots more, it is more than enough to synthesize lsd and mdma, many of shulgins stuff too. I thought hey what's the actual process of synthesizing N? It would work but would take practice runs and also I'd have to produce mdma to get acess to the lab. It's a very clandestine thing that I'm not taking lightly, it would be too much. It won't happen dw lol.
edit: to all other chemists out there with access to this stuff...this is for educational purposes only! I am playing a character on the internet

edit: I mean yeah it'd require a lab or lab-type equipments, but I had access to this stuff at college.