Venting Suicide is selfish.....so?

[Pure]

I'm sick of suicide discussions irl revolving around the idea of selfishness.

Everything we do could be considered selfish, that includes so called altruistic people.

This is my body, my life, my unhappiness. Why should I need to factor other people into whether I want to make a deeply personal choice around whether or not I want to wake up tomorrow? What's my business about how they feel? Especially since I don't have anyone that is my dependent.

I think it would be better if conversations revolved whether or not someone has the capacity for being happy in the future. Some people's mindset is that suffering is a temporary distraction from happiness and that's wonderful that they have that mindset. However, many of us feel that happiness is temporary from continued suffering. People with that mindset should be allowed to exit living if they want.

I don't follow antinatalism as a philosophy but I understand their support for on demand assisted suicide. People go out by themselves in such excruciating ways. Why can't we have pills provided to us so that our exit can be peaceful and we don't have to worry about traumatizing people who find our bodies? If we have any loved ones they could say goodbye without derailing our exit. It's absolutely crazy how we're brought into this world without choice and we're not even given the courtesy of being allowed to leave with choice.

 

[chrijo]

To say suicide is selfish = selfish..

 

[blue_muse]

Suicide is the opposite of selfishness, if anything it's selfless. Without going too philosophical; imagine someone determined to be rid of themselves so they no longer feel like a burden to society, friends, family and so forth.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, I see the right to die as important. It is our bodies, our lives and we should be able to make the choice rather than society pushing the idea that we must live at all costs. Expecting people to suffer and live against their wishes is selfish. Removing peaceful methods is selfish. We did not ask to be here in the first place so we have no obligation to stay alive. An individual should be able to decide if their life is worth living.

 

[Futile]

Forcing someone to live and suffer just because you would be sad otherwise is far more selfish

 

[imaloserbaby]

Agreed. It is selfish to force me to live in pain every single day because people can't let go of the person I used to be and never will be again. I've been screaming for help for years and no one would.

 

[blue_muse]

Agreed. It is selfish to force me to live in pain every single day because people can't let go of the person I used to be and never will be again. I've been screaming for help for years and no one would.

I hear you about help. Those ones will be the first to proclaim that you should've said something once you've done the deed.

 

[Bungled & Botched]

I'm sick of suicide discussions irl revolving around the idea of selfishness.

Everything we do could be considered selfish, that includes so called altruistic people.

This is my body, my life, my unhappiness. Why should I need to factor other people into whether I want to make a deeply personal choice around whether or not I want to wake up tomorrow? What's my business about how they feel? Especially since I don't have anyone that is my dependent.

I think it would be better if conversations revolved whether or not someone has the capacity for being happy in the future. Some people's mindset is that suffering is a temporary distraction from happiness and that's wonderful that they have that mindset. However, many of us feel that happiness is temporary from continued suffering. People with that mindset should be allowed to exit living if they want.

I don't follow antinatalism as a philosophy but I understand their support for on demand assisted suicide. People go out by themselves in such excruciating ways. Why can't we have pills provided to us so that our exit can be peaceful and we don't have to worry about traumatizing people who find our bodies? If we have any loved ones they could say goodbye without derailing our exit. It's absolutely crazy how we're brought into this world without choice and we're not even given the courtesy of being allowed to leave with choice.

If an animal is in pain and suffering, the only humane thing to do is to put them out of their misery. But people are forced to go on suffering for years or even decades.
Suicide isn't selfish or cowardly. It's the hardest choice a person could ever make for themselves.

 

[Zhontafly]

It's absolutely crazy how we're brought into this world without choice and we're not even given the courtesy of being allowed to leave with choice.

It seems to me that most people don't understand the real meaning of freedom, though supposedly being themselves free and living in what they proudly call a free country, fore if they did we woud live in a very different world and they would value and respect each person's choices and consider it a right. It is a natural right actually, observed by us with all the animals of the wild doing as they will or they follow a predetermined social agenda given to them by instinct and the circumstances nature put them in.

To sum up: Without choices there is no freedom. Without those choices we would simply have predetermined directives (given to us by what or whom?). Therefore those that want to take away our choices are actually anti-freedom and are dictators, at least where their choices and will for others is concerned.

 

[imaloserbaby]

I hear you about help. Those ones will be the first to proclaim that you should've said something once you've done the deed.

Oh, absolutely! I can guarantee not a single person who knows me would be surprised if I ctb because I've been very open about my feelings. Wouldn't even leave a note, I've said it all already. I can picture exactly who would be at my funeral, pretending to cry but actually being relieved they don't have to "deal with me" anymore.

 

[puppet_nihilist]

Totally agree there. I think that people like to bring up the idea that suicide is selfish because the whole topic inconveniences them a lot ( because it's absolutely clear that we are all being stripped of our right to die peacefully while being forced to conform to very strict living standards of a life we didn't even ask for to begin with. Everyone knows this, whoever doesn't admit it just knows it in some kind of defacto state).

It's a disgusting ploy and a shallow moralistic point used to divert our attention into a completely separate topic (selfishness/altruism discussion) that isn't the most important part of the whole suicide discussion.

They also like to get caught up in their simplistic black and white thinking while completely forgetting or ignoring the most basic, rudimentary facts about suicide; that's why you get fucking ridiculous claims such as "suicide is the easy way out," while being completely oblivious to stats like: for every complete suicide you have about 25 unsuccessful suicide attempts. You know what else is easy? Existing is easy. In fact it's so easy that not-existing is almost impossible for a tremendous amount of people who want to not exist.

All human actions are selfish or at least contain within them a selfish element. This is just a diversion from the most important aspects of suicide, we could instead be talking about our rights for voluntary euthanasia and discussing censorship around suicide info and such. But no, let's talk about selfishness instead. Man, humans are ridiculous. Well, it's probably because we the suicidal are clearly the minority here. They don't know how it feels, probably can't empathize much.

 

[blue_muse]

Oh, absolutely! I can guarantee not a single person who knows me would be surprised if I ctb because I've been very open about my feelings. Wouldn't even leave a note, I've said it all already. I can picture exactly who would be at my funeral, pretending to cry but actually being relieved they don't have to "deal with me" anymore.

I swear you're psychic, I'm in the same boat as you! It's like pouring salt on a wound; those pretending to cry manipulatively using a death to make it all about themselves. If it makes you feel better, my relative who brought me up would love playing the grieving caregiver who did their best as a way of getting sympathy.

 

[imaloserbaby]

I swear you're psychic, I'm in the same boat as you! It's like pouring salt on a wound; those pretending to cry manipulatively using a death to make it all about themselves. If it makes you feel better, my relative who brought me up would love playing the grieving caregiver who did their best as a way of getting sympathy.

It's good to know I'm not alone but I'm really sorry you're going through this too! Totally relate to that. All they ever tell me is how much of a burden I am, how much my depression has ruined *their* lives. But none of them want to be around me. They'll absolutely point to my mental health history despite the fact that every doctor I've ever seen has concluded that my mental health issues are largely due to their resistance to talk about the past or admit they have any culpability whatsoever (I'm not blaming ALL my problems on them but like...it's a big component)! I think the primary reaction will be relief. Just another problem they don't have to deal with anymore plus they get sympathy on top.

 

[motel rooms]

It's selfish, it's inconsiderate, it's ungrateful, it's cowardly, it's stupid, we are toxic attention seekers, we are egotists & narcissists, it's a permanent solution to a problem that is always temporary, we are weak, we are spoiled, we are too lazy to make an effort, we are purposely negative & refuse to get better, we are destructive, we are manipulative, we are too stubborn, inflexible & petty to forgive those who have wronged us, we are vengeful & evil & we only do it to hurt other people, it's an unforgivable sin, we are all Satan worshippers who reject the sacred gift of Life & who sacrifice fluffy kittens in graveyards at midnight, I'm sure I'm forgetting something...

 

[Life_and_Death]

Suicide is the opposite of selfishness, if anything it's selfless.

reading this reminded me that one of the main reasons i see for people wanting to commit suicide is so they dont have to be a burden to their loved ones, cuz yeah.....thats sounds selfish lol

 

[blue_muse]

It's good to know I'm not alone but I'm really sorry you're going through this too! Totally relate to that. All they ever tell me is how much of a burden I am, how much my depression has ruined *their* lives. But none of them want to be around me. They'll absolutely point to my mental health history despite the fact that every doctor I've ever seen has concluded that my mental health issues are largely due to their resistance to talk about the past or admit they have any culpability whatsoever (I'm not blaming ALL my problems on them but like...it's a big component)! I think the primary reaction will be relief. Just another problem they don't have to deal with anymore plus they get sympathy on top.

Thank you. You really can't win with some people. I'd imagine being actually told you're a burden can get wearing. When I thought my family were bad, yours make no secret of their abuse! Yet, their denial of contributing to your mental health issues will get played downplayed by telling themselves "Their mind was made up, I'm not responsible". Makes you wanna haunt the crap out of family like that, if there's an afterlife.

 

[qwertylmno]

Oh, absolutely! I can guarantee not a single person who knows me would be surprised if I ctb because I've been very open about my feelings. Wouldn't even leave a note, I've said it all already. I can picture exactly who would be at my funeral, pretending to cry but actually being relieved they don't have to "deal with me" anymore.

yup i've been so open also. i talk about suicide so often, actually, and what's making me feel that way. they're worried, then remember that "people who talk about killing themselves don't actually kill themselves. it's the quiet ones." idgi honestly.

 

[imaloserbaby]

yup i've been so open also. i talk about suicide so often, actually, and what's making me feel that way. they're worried, then remember that "people who talk about killing themselves don't actually kill themselves. it's the quiet ones." idgi honestly.

Yeah, that's exactly it! I've talked about it for so long that nobody takes me seriously anymore, I think they assumed I was just doing it for attention or something. I just have almost an inability to not be honest at this point, and people don't know how to take that!

 

[Pure]

Oh, absolutely! I can guarantee not a single person who knows me would be surprised if I ctb because I've been very open about my feelings. Wouldn't even leave a note, I've said it all already. I can picture exactly who would be at my funeral, pretending to cry but actually being relieved they don't have to "deal with me" anymore.

I think I've gotten to the point where I won't leave a note. Or the note will just be the shrug emoji tbh

 

[imaloserbaby]

I think I've gotten to the point where I won't leave a note. Or the note will just be the shrug emoji tbh

I change my mind depending on my mood. If I'm feeling ok I think I'll probably write to a couple of people just to let them know I appreciated knowing them. But when I'm angry or for the people I have complicated relationships with (aka family)...I'm not normally a vindictive person but I almost want to deliberately leave them nothing as a final FU. They all know I've been suicidal for years, it'd kind of just be a "see? told you so."

 

[Hurt]

Selfish act. Coward act. Permanent solution to a temporary problem. You will not end your pain, it will pass to others. It will soon pass. Been hearing this for years. Sometimes I get angry.

 

[Freelyffe88]

I'm sick of suicide discussions irl revolving around the idea of selfishness.

Everything we do could be considered selfish, that includes so called altruistic people.

This is my body, my life, my unhappiness. Why should I need to factor other people into whether I want to make a deeply personal choice around whether or not I want to wake up tomorrow? What's my business about how they feel? Especially since I don't have anyone that is my dependent.

I think it would be better if conversations revolved whether or not someone has the capacity for being happy in the future. Some people's mindset is that suffering is a temporary distraction from happiness and that's wonderful that they have that mindset. However, many of us feel that happiness is temporary from continued suffering. People with that mindset should be allowed to exit living if they want.

I don't follow antinatalism as a philosophy but I understand their support for on demand assisted suicide. People go out by themselves in such excruciating ways. Why can't we have pills provided to us so that our exit can be peaceful and we don't have to worry about traumatizing people who find our bodies? If we have any loved ones they could say goodbye without derailing our exit. It's absolutely crazy how we're brought into this world without choice and we're not even given the courtesy of being allowed to leave with choice.

I completely disagree that suicide is selfish. People/society have no right to keep people trapped in their meat-suits. Sure it may upset some close friends and loved ones, but staying alive for this reason is like staying in a bad relationship because you don't want to hurt the other person. You need to do what is right for you and if people around you genuinely love you then they should accept your decision if they are mature human beings. And besides for many of us living in a state of limbo (wanting to die, but not carrying out the act for whatever reason) is likely damaging to our relationships (it's difficult to commit to anything and since you can't really communicate about what you're feeling they don't understand and more than likely with every day that goes by in this mindset the greater divide in your relationships). It's understandable for a loved one friend acquaintance or whoever to want to help and talk someone out of wanting to commit suicide, but it is wrong to turn someone over to the state where they are held against their will for wanting to end their life. This is unfortunately why those who are truly suicidal often times don't say a word to anyone, because they don't want to end up being taken against their will.

So in other words it could be just as damaging to your relationships if not more by staying alive. Once again I think people have every right to exit their meatsuits if they so choose.
There are of course some situations where a person makes long term choices in which someone may be dependent on them, such as a child where it could possibly be selfish, but even with that I understand that there are potentially struggles that I can't fathom and circumstances could arise in which staying alive could be more damaging to those relationships.

 

[Seiba]

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[Cuppatea856]

Yes, I see the right to die as important. It is our bodies, our lives and we should be able to make the choice rather than society pushing the idea that we must live at all costs. Expecting people to suffer and live against their wishes is selfish. Removing peaceful methods is selfish. We did not ask to be here in the first place so we have no obligation to stay alive. An individual should be able to decide if their life is worth living.

Honestly, I thought a lot about this when my grandpa was in the nursing home for three years and it was pure hell for him. Most of the people in the room surrounding his looked like they were already dead. What was the point of keeping these people alive? The only answer I could come up with is that the nursing home industry makes a lot of money!