suicide is cowardly?

[lotus11]

A common idea ' suicide is for cowards/ the easy way out etc' ...what are your opinions about this?

Personally I disagree with it and have been close to it my self think that it is in fact, possibly one of the most terrifying things a person can do. But what is your opinion?

 

[nigelhernandez]

Why would I care? Life is not a challenge, we'll all die anyway so no difference dying by my own hand at 20 than dying of old age at 80

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

People repeat platitudes without the slightest fucking idea of what they are saying.

They also say that suicide is passing one's pain onto another. If only that were possible! There'd be a lot of miserable child abusers wallowing in the torment of PTSD after their "cowardly" victims "easily" found a way out of their suffering.

 

[Negrathecat]

It takes a lot of courage to do what some people have done. You don't know what's in their mind, those who call it selfish and cowardly just don't understand that sometimes this is our only way out

 

[Kumachan]

Say you play chess and made a stupid move and are now at a huge disadvantage, from experience you know the game is unwinnable from now on, its boring to continue, so you give up and maybe start again. Does it make you a coward?

 

[GoBack]

Its not. It is what it is, everyone has different reasons for going through with it. People can judge, but who can say what they would really do if pushed as far as those who do die, whether on impulse or planned.

 

[Kumachan]

Easy way out? Way out - yes, but easy??? Look into SN method you need a degree in chemistry to pull this off... Real scientific reaserch is being done on this site

 

[omoidarui]

i don't even think the word suicide and. The word cowardly should go in the same sentence hence why I stuck a period in the middle of that sentence to ensure the two words wouldn't be together XD

anyone who catches that bus into the complete unknown must have balls of fkn... titanium

 

[Mr2005]

Why are people looking for whatevers going to make them feel better? If you're going to kill yourself it doesn't matter. You've made the choice, whatever the consequences won't be yours to deal with

 

[Lost in a Dream]

I think it depends on the situation honestly. While it probably doesn't matter if it is cowardly or not, I would say that the description only fits if someone does something terrible to someone else and they commit suicide to avoid the consequences. In that case, death might take less courage than staying alive for that person and when they do this, it is understandable for those of us who are alive still to be upset about it because we want justice.

In the case of someone who hasn't done anything like this to others, but they CTB because their life has become hell as a result of some sort of illness or shitty circumstances beyond their control, I would say that committing suicide is courageous. I would say that they probably have more courage than I do.

It's normal for pro-life people to use blanket statements like, "Suicide is cowardly", but doing so is their way of saying "suicidal people are cowardly". It is like painting a group of people with a broad brush and using a behavior that they have in common to say that they are all bad people even when they are not. It would be the same as a homophobe saying "Everyone who is gay is a pedophile". That could be true in some cases, but not all, but good luck trying to convince a homophobe (or forced lifer) that they are wrong when they have become convinced of whatever BS they are spewing.

 

[Superdeterminist]

A common idea ' suicide is for cowards/ the easy way out etc' ...what are your opinions about this?

Personally I disagree with it and have been close to it my self think that it is in fact, possibly one of the most terrifying things a person can do. But what is your opinion?

I also disagree with that notion and agree with yours. Everyone has their own opinion I suppose. But psychologically speaking, taking one's life is not at all an act of cowardice, as it requires a kind of fearlessness, in order to overcome the associated pain and survival instinct barriers.

 

[JSauter]

One of the stranger phenomenons on this forum is the preoccupation with what others think of suicide outside of a political context. For sure, I understand if you're a right-to-die activist, then changing the hearts and minds of people is important..but if you're not involved in that activism, what is the extraordinary preoccupation with caring what others think of suicide? It's just a waste of energy, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RayoSinSol]

One of the stranger phenomenons on this forum is the preoccupation with what others think of suicide outside of a political context. For sure, I understand if you're a right-to-die activist, then changing the hearts and minds of people is important..but if you're not involved in that activism, what is the extraordinary preoccupation with caring what others think of suicide? It's just a waste of energy, as far as I'm concerned.

Choosing to end decades of investment in living requires some assurance. Especially after absorbing all of the current cultural bias against suicide during a lifetime. Give empathy a try, why don't ya?

 

[Lost in a Dream]

One of the stranger phenomenons on this forum is the preoccupation with what others think of suicide outside of a political context. For sure, I understand if you're a right-to-die activist, then changing the hearts and minds of people is important..but if you're not involved in that activism, what is the extraordinary preoccupation with caring what others think of suicide? It's just a waste of energy, as far as I'm concerned.

The reason to be concerned about it is because the outsiders will do anything and everything they can to force us to stay alive, whether we want to or not. These same people also have the power to lock people up for being suicidal and they will do it if they can. That sounds like a valid reason to be concerned, wouldn't you agree?

 

[TheGoodGuy]

If there is one thing I have learned from this site is that it takes extreme courage to kill yourselves the majority of threads talk about SI being the problem so if anything we are cowards for not being able to overcome SI and the people who do have courage sorry to say but that is the truth the people who actually commit suicide have courage and I admire them for being able to go through it.

All of those pro-lifers who say suicide is the cowards way out obviously have never tried comitting suicide and don´t know how hard it is, and I must admit I am not flawless I myself thought suicide was easy I was never a pro-lifer but when I joined this forum back in August 2018 I thought that the members who has been here for years were larpers so up untill that time I realized how hard it really is to commit suicide I always (since my early teens) thought if life gets bad enough I can just quit through suicide I thought it was that easy so up untill I joined this forum I realized how many factors plays in.

 

[KleinerWolf]

I stand neutral on this topic.
I'd say suicide is cowardly in a sense that you give up on life and possible friends/families if they even treated you well.
But obviously people are suffering thats why they resort to suicide as a way out, takes serious courage to act on it, despite the fact we all wished better outcomes.

 

[262653]

A common idea ' suicide is for cowards/ the easy way out etc' ...what are your opinions about this?

Personally I disagree with it and have been close to it my self think that it is in fact, possibly one of the most terrifying things a person can do. But what is your opinion?

I'd be more bothered (if at all) about the intention behind saying such things in the first place.
The cynical, paranoid part of me suspects:
1) manipulation, guilt trip, to discourage the person form suicide, thereby avoiding the expected suffering (for manipulator himself or any other person or group he identifies with (emphatic pain)) associated with the loss of that person (like emotional/financial attachment)
2) manipulation, virtue signalling, to gain good reputation (how people think of him), which has various benefits

But on the other hand, I can recall a situation where I was spewing platitudes mindlessly, without (conscious) intention. Repeating what others said.
In this case a simple "Why do you think so?" can implant the seeds of doubt, but that comes form personal experience. No idea how others would react.

Also, courage/cowardice is about ability/inability to overcome difficulty for a certain purpose in mind, and thus depends on that purpose. Living and dying are obviously not the same purposes. I'd probably also ask if we should always strive to be courageous, but I doubt it's worth arguing with people who deploy these kind of arguments in the first place.

 

[andy69]

If suicide were cowardly and selfish, more people would do it.

 

[Bct]

For cowards? Well, just ask them if they'll jump from the height / shoot themselves / drink some poison / various ways to CTB without any slightest fear.

 

[BPD Barbie]

People who say it's the easy way out have clearly never tried to commit suicide and push past SI. It's the hardest thing to do and is by no means an easy way out. It's also not cowardly, it's such a brace thing to go through with. For me, I see suicide as the biggest act of self care I could ever perform.

 

[Broken Chimera]

People who say that never had a first hand experience with SI. So they just parrot what other pro lifers say. They say those things to guilt trip, hoping to shame you to live. If anything they're the selfish ones for trying to "save" everyone.

 

[gus.nixon]

As humans, we have an enormous capacity to handle our unbearable lives. Most of us just go through the motions daily, anesthetizing ourselves with booze, television, internet, or whatever. I think the easy way out is just going through life on autopilot, being numb to the world around me. Suicide? Think about it for a minute. Do people say that murdering others is cowardly? I've never heard that. Most of the time we think of murders as being the opposite of cowardly. Now think about the act of murdering one's self. In my opinion it's the most heroic and daring thing anyone could ever do. If it was such an easy way out, it would be popular. I mean really popular. As popular as rubbing one out on pornhub. Most people don't even know how to fathom the idea of suicide. It goes against every survival instinct that humans possess. Most people can't even wrap their minds around the idea. No, the cowardly way out is drinking a 12 pack of Natural Ice every night in front of the TV day in and day out year after miserable year. I fucking hate it when I hear people talk about suicide like it's just for sissies. Fuck those idiots. I'm sorry, this just touches a nerve with me.

 

[Quarky00]

I'd say:

"If it's so easy why don't you try it yourself?"​

Honestly, people saying that are ignorant and won't listen. They need some tough love i.e. realize how hard it is, and really last option.

 

[Marktheghost]

It's not cowardly or easy. It's a very difficult thing to do.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

"Cowardly" is a moral judgement that depends on the values of the society you live in. As a kid, we called each other cowards for not doing risky, stupid things. In Nazi Germany, you were called a coward (a traitor) for not wanting to fight in the war and lynched (hanged on a lamppost).

The beautiful thing about death is, that you can escape the judgement of your fellow human beings. It can be a big fuck you to their collective shaming and crab bucketing.
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Just to illustrate, in Japanese society, under certain circumstances, you would have been called a coward for not killing yourself. The same is true for (correct me if I'm wrong) some Hindu sects, where the widow has to burn herself alive to join her deceased husband in death. And the same is true for Nazi Germany (they had cyanide pills in case they were captured by the enemy not for their own dignity or well-being, but to prevent them leaking important information).
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In some indigenous American tribes it was more honorable to kill yourself than let yourself be killed by your enemy. It was a triumphant act, because you robbed him of the victory.

It's all relative.

 

[codewarrior]

Its all perspective. For some, it will be no matter what and for some it would be ending all pain and sufferings. However, someone going through terminal illness or daily sufferings it can be understandable as a choice.

 

[itsamadworld]

Suicide is cowardly- I disagree....That's Pro-life propaganda for sure. Maybe some suicides, but there are exceptions in every rule. AND i think it takes incredible courage to over-ride the SI.
I can recall this one pro-lifer at a freedom of speech event i attended, when i lived in UT...I overheard this out-of-control, beast of a woman, BROW_BEATING this atheist, getting up in his face, waving her arms, speaking like in like this overly emotional tone, to where her eyes were tearing up like she was on a some self indulgent, godly crusade, " Abortion is wrong because what if you abort the next Einstein or the next Ghand!! blablablbawawawawaw" She kept running her stupid mouth too, so as the atheist could hardly get a word in.....This atheist dude had an incredulous look on his face and, He replied, " Well, what if you abort the next Stalin or Ted Bundy(the serial killer guy)?" haha..and Personally, I wanted to say, "Ain't no Einstein or Gandhi coming out of her cunt!" :D

Point is, many pro-lifers are morons and irrational and they will never listen to the opposing side.....I think people like that woman should be in the DSM manual under some religious mental illness....but because I'm not pro-life, the law is not on my side there....

 

[Oyoy]

I don't care what they call me as long as im the one set free.

 

[BeeLoyal]

I don't really think so. Although my old religion teacher once told my class:" Suicide is like being a Suicide Bomber, killing your closest family/friends"
I do think sometimes its just too much to handle.
I don't judge.

 

[Jumper Geo]

I heard people saying it is a cowardly act especially when I used to go to the pub and these questions pop up in a group discussion fair enough, everyone is entitled to there own opinion but I just say have you ever considered murdering someone and when they give me that shocked look, I say, what about murdering yourself.