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Would you say your (prospective) suicide is in anyway a backlash against society?

  • It's the primary motivation.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It has the majority to do with it.

    Votes: 13 22.8%
  • It's equal parts that, equal parts something else.

    Votes: 16 28.1%
  • It has the minority to do with it.

    Votes: 10 17.5%
  • It has nothing to do with it.

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • Other.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Total voters
    57
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
10,398
I suppose this is related to whether you see your main stressors as being external or internal. Some people see nothing much wrong with the world. More that their poor health limits their ability to interact with it. Others are vehemently opposed to things like wage slavery, capitalism, consumerism and the expectations placed upon them. I was curious to see how the forum is split in poll form.

Also curious as to whether you think your suicide (if you choose to go ahead with it) would be interpreted as a backlash against society? Would you want it to be seen as that? A kind of protest against complying? Does anyone intend to suggest as much in notes etc? I still hope to quote the late, great David Bowie: 'Life wasn't worth the balance.'

I'm of lots of minds really. I don't enjoy being part of this system and expected to comply. I suppose in a way, my main motivator for wanting to CTB now is that I don't want to comply any longer. I'm simply sick of paying my way in life and I certainly won't have enough money for a reasonable retirement.

Still, I don't really know how else society could function. It's not like I can think of better alternatives! Other than a more fair way of sharing wealth. To ensure all people are paid properly for what they do.

Mine is more on the lines of an antinatilist rant. To my parents, while I do love them: 'Why on earth did you conscript me into this ridiculous 'pay as you go' service?

I suppose I like the idea of my (hopeful) suicide adding to the embarassing numbers for our government. I do imagine a lot of MP's are pretty corrupt and only out to feather their own nests. I don't believe that all of them genuinely care about the constituents they serve. (Some will of course.) I suppose I see suicide rates as the honest truth about just how unhappy citizens truly are. It's in effect, the most extreme way of protesting in a way.

Maybe you could argue that all issues that cause suicide aren't a governments responsibility. But- aren't they? We all pay taxes, or our parents likely did at least. We pay into a system that is supposed to then support us when we need it. Even things like mental illness, dysphoria come under healthcare. Are those systems adequate?

Is it reasonable to blame society for our woes? Or, are we just snowfakes that ought to be taking more responsibility for ourselves? Again though- why is that responsibilty expected of us? Is that reasonable? We didn't sign contracts in the womb to comply to wage slavery or, anything else that is expected of us.

Of course, it kind of has to be expected of us, otherwise society would fall apart! They simply sugarcoat it by telling us that we shouldn't see it as wage slavery. It's a career or, a dream job. If only we manage to claw our way up to that- we'll be happy. But, will we? I'm not and I'm at least able (for now) to do what I dreamed of once.

What are your thoughts?
 
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Jadeith

Member
Jan 14, 2025
33
I want out, not to take revenge. It would be kinda counterintuitive to hurt myself in order to hurt those who hurt me earlier. Since they already hurt me, they don't give flying intercourse if i hurt myself and how badly, right?
It is my own inadequacies that caused botched relationships with my surroundings and their negative attitude towards me.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,665
I want out to avoid complying to society and to avoid being stuck in such a system. I acknowledge that it's going to be harder for me to leave this world the more I age since I'm either going to be stuck in the system of wage slavery or stuck trying to fit in the system but failing at every single aspect. Neither of those two things satisfy me and I'd rather leave right now when I don't have as many responsibilities as the average adult does. I don't want to ctb as some sort of revenge to society because I acknowledge that my death is miniscule to do anything so it wouldn't be rational to ctb hoping for the world to change. By ending myself, I'm merely making sure that I don't suffer in the system, I wouldn't be able to stop those who are alive and suffering due to the system or due to something else.
 
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Namelesa

Namelesa

Trapped in this Suffering
Sep 21, 2024
555
I am not effected by society as much as I can live with my parents without needing to work or do much for them. However it does suck that mental health help is so poor here and I had a traumatic experience with school but honestly those aren't my biggest complaints. It's my family for trapping me and preventing my ctb attempts as much as possible despite it not helping me with getting better and me really wanting to die. Definitely part of my suicide is revenge against my family for limiting my freedom to die as I think they deserve to suffer from my death and I made that clear in my suicide note but mostly my want to die is cus of me and stuff not caused by society and with life itself.
 
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OptingOutSmiling

OptingOutSmiling

Experienced
Nov 25, 2024
245
No, I don't think I can blame society for this one. I agree that governments should make lives and living conditions better. But life is pretty much random in my opinion and the world in general is a sad place. If we blame our circumstances, I guess we could blame our parents but sometimes they also only did their best and failed. Some humans should just not be allowed to have kids. Politicians should not be allowed to become dictators and start wars. Things just happen even if we try our best. And sometimes we just get sick. Life happens, and who can we blame for life? If like me we don't accept the wrongness of life, I believe we should be allowed to opt out.
 
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SoulWhisperer

SoulWhisperer

A dead man cannot regret. « MtF »
Nov 13, 2023
405
Yeah, social stuff and people is literally 70% of the reason why I feel the way I do. Constant being hurt, not fitting, and being forced to do stuff. No one cares enough to help me and I can't help myself with mundane things, among other stuff is a big reason for my ideation.
 
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ConfusedClouds

Specialist
Mar 9, 2024
366
Yea for sure society is a mess. But as @Jadeith said above, doing it to 'protest' would achieve absolutey nothing in the sense you'd want/hope it to. Its more just the ongoing sinking feeling of how shit and unfair life is. And thats coming from a white middle class Brit feeling ground down so fuck knows how others feel.

So not really as a active protest but as a logical reason yes.
 
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idelttoilfsadness21

idelttoilfsadness21

I wanna be dead so badly nothing makes sense
Jan 6, 2025
366
I wouldn't be surprised by the votes… it definitely has majority to do with this world than those who hurt us to be here… why else would we be all suffering from a deeper bigger problem? This world is mad!
 
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Alexei_Kirillov

Alea iacta est. The die is cast.
Mar 9, 2024
1,105
For me, it's a minor motivating factor behind CTBing. My problem is less with capitalism and wage slavery, though -- it certainly bothers me, and I also wish there was a better way, but I was lucky enough to be born with the genetics for the conscientiousness and diligence required to be able to function well in such a system. So if I had a will to live, I would be able to finagle out a relatively satisfactory and successful life within that system.

The "system" that I'm lashing out against is rather the sexual/romantic realm, namely the fact that there's a gulf between male and female sexuality that will never be closed because it is biologically ordained. Rather than resigning myself to participating in this system and accepting the suffering it entails, I prefer opting out altogether.
 
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alienfreak

alienfreak

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Sep 25, 2024
327
I voted that it has the majority to do with it. If i zoom out and look at the big picture of my life, I see that I have been profoundly shaped by society. Like Terence McKenna said, "culture is your operating system". It is difficult to see any decision we make as not largely a consequence of how society has treated us. Choosing to leave, by acting in conflict with society's prison-like pro-life culture, is a rejection of the society, caused by how society has shaped me.

I have been trying to make art that expresses how I feel but I find it impossible. It seems that suicide is the only way I can express how deeply I suffer and the depth at which I want to reject this society and this reality.

I don't want to harm people and don't expect that my suicide would contribute to improving anything, though.
 
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Bruce

Bruce

Mage
Sep 22, 2023
549
I'm simply sick of paying my way in life
Likewise.

Still, I don't really know how else society could function. It's not like I can think of better alternatives! Other than a more fair way of sharing wealth. To ensure all people are paid properly for what they do.
Oh, this is easy! An option would be to remove the leechers (which are almost (if not) all government employees) and then switch to living in tribes. A good example would be the American Indians which the system exterminated for having a balanced and sustainable way of life. Can't have that in "polite" society, can we?

Fun fact: Did you know that the Indians would hunt less buffalos if the heards would thin? Remind me! What is the honest view of present day humans on consumption? : )

To my parents, while I do love them: 'Why on earth did you conscript me into this ridiculous 'pay as you go' service?
Well said! Very well said! I did not think of that line. : )

I suppose I like the idea of my (hopeful) suicide adding to the embarassing numbers for our government.
Now see here, I was thinking about the backlash but.. no one would give a fuck! Sure, some would pretend but the only people who might cry when you pass will be people around here. My advice, don't keep hate in! Move forward as you can and when (and if) you do it, do it for yourself. You're important!

Yeah, social stuff and people is literally 70% of the reason why I feel the way I do. Constant being hurt, not fitting, and being forced to do stuff. No one cares enough to help me and I can't help myself with mundane things, among other stuff is a big reason for my ideation.
No one cares at all, they just fake it. I'm sorry for your pain @SoulWhisperer! : (

Choosing to leave, by acting in conflict with society's prison-like pro-life culture, is a rejection of the society, caused by how society has shaped me.
Too right mate! I think this is one of the best descriptions of why we're walking this road! I'm going to appropriate this quote! Thank you very much!
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,308
No the opposite: an inability to fit into society.
 
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derpyderpins

derpyderpins

In the Service of the Queen
Sep 19, 2023
1,932
I certainly understand the idea: "you can't fire me, I quit!" In that way, I guess refusing to go along with the normal cycle, the expected routine, as a voluntary part of the machine is in a sense a backlash against society.

But that's no reason to ctb when you consider how small we are. The machine will keep on pumping. The people around you will NOT hear your message and set out to change things, they will make it about themselves and blame something stupid.
 
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