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Johnzaga23

Experienced
Dec 10, 2024
228
because ive wrote anti suicide stuff and made people mad, im gonna write something that justifies suicidal people about the selfishness argument:

people who say that suicide is selfish do not understand the core mechanisms of suicide. The suicidal person waits for an impulsive moment where they don't think about anything but the eternal bliss of nonexistence that comes after death, a place where they won't remember the harm that they caused. The suicidal person feels guilt for having suicidal thoughts, but comforts themselves by the fact that the act hasnt occurred yet, therefore theres time for repent, while they still subtly wait for the moment of action. Suicide exploits the weakness of the human mind and pushes non selfish people to do selfish acts. Suicide might be one of the least selfish out of the selfish acts, taking into account the core mechanisms of suicide, and the fact that no one owns to anyone their lives, except in the case of a parent to their kids. Suicide is simply a break up. If suicide is selfish, then a break up from a relationship is selfish too. No one owes you their love. However, the eternal bliss from the unbearable pain and the core mechanisms of suicide pushes the most loving people to do the act. One might even argue that reproduction is more selfish that sucide, taking into account that the parent has to sleep at nights knowing the suffering that they caused to their offspring, like a forced, raped relationship. So, the conclusion is, that suicidal people need something stronger to hang on to their lives, something that will make the desire to abandon life go away after all, whether that be religion, or a new perspective. The hope that one day the suicidal person will genuinely want to live is what needs to be the main focus for suicide prevention.
 
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DivineSpark

DivineSpark

Mage
Feb 9, 2025
582
I dont think it is selfish, most of us just want pain to end.
 
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dewdrop

always freaked out
Apr 20, 2025
17
Suicide is not always impulsive, it's often planned out for weeks, months, or years beforehand. The notion that suicide is selfish is just a mechanism of guilt-tripping. Calling suicide selfish is selfish in of itself. When a loved one calls you selfish for suicidal thoughts, they are actually saying "I care more about my pain that is resulting from your own pain" instead of trying to understand the root cause of these intentions. It's my right to die whenever I please. If people see immense agonizing pain that makes life unbearable pain and their first thought is that it's selfish, their priorities aren't in the right place at all. Instead of pointing the finger at suicidal people, they should consider what is making the person's life into such a hell that they just need to die.
 
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Johnzaga23

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Dec 10, 2024
228
Suicide is not always impulsive, it's often planned out for weeks, months, or years beforehand. The notion that suicide is selfish is just a mechanism of guilt-tripping. Calling suicide selfish is selfish in of itself. When a loved one calls you selfish for suicidal thoughts, they are actually saying "I care more about my pain that is resulting from your own pain" instead of trying to understand the root cause of these intentions. It's my right to die whenever I please. If people see immense agonizing pain that makes life unbearable pain and their first thought is that it's selfish, their priorities aren't in the right place at all. Instead of pointing the finger at suicidal people, they should consider what is making the person's life into such a hell that they just need to die.
yes i agree that its not selfish. read my post
 
Electra

Electra

The relief of giving in to destruction
Jul 1, 2024
548
this is more like a sasu post lol, the previous one made me question where I was lol
 
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imOK

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Apr 10, 2025
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I approached this guy with an good faith explanation why his "mathematical proof" was nonsense in the other thread and was eventually when the arguments ran out hit with the all-time zinger of "didn't read, lol" and now he just starts over with a new thread. I think he's just a troll.

Trolling a forum about suicide, huh? Well that's a low. I vote he should be forced to publicly refute my last rebuttal in his earlier thread or be banned. That'd be interesting! I'll gladly read any good-faith critique and reply to it again.
 
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Johnzaga23

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Dec 10, 2024
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I approached this guy with an good faith explanation why his "mathematical proof" was nonsense in the other thread and was eventually when the arguments ran out hit with the all-time zinger of "didn't read, lol" and now he just starts over with a new thread. I think he's just a troll.

Trolling a forum about suicide, huh? Well that's a low. I vote he should be forced to publicly refute my last rebuttal in his earlier thread or be banned. That'd be interesting!
im not a troll. you can look at my profile. I was suicidal (still kinda am) for a long time. I actually have problems with my meds that makes it difficult for me, but i reduce the dosage overtime. But I'll try my best to reply to you.
this is more like a sasu post lol, the previous one made me question where I was lol
this is a pro choice site. it should be open to discussion.
 
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imOK

Experienced
Apr 10, 2025
240
im not a troll. you can look at my profile. I was suicidal (still kinda am) for a long time. I actually have problems with my meds that makes it difficult for me, but i reduce the dosage overtime. But I'll try my best to reply to you.

this is a pro choice site. it should be open to discussion.
Yeah, because lies on the internet... who would do such a thing.
 
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Dante_

Global Mod
Feb 27, 2025
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Before this thread goes any further in terms of discussion, please keep it cordial and respectful, I think it goes without saying that we can share and learn from each other's opinions and disagree amicably.
 
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Johnzaga23

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Dec 10, 2024
228
Before this thread goes any further in terms of discussion, please keep it cordial and respectful, I think it goes without saying that we can share and learn from each other's opinions and disagree amicably.
yeah if imOK wants any discussion he can dm me
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
11,543
How about- if you hang on for decades to wait for all your closest loved ones to die first, make a conscious effort to isolate so as not to bring more people into your life you could potentially hurt and, then do it?

That's my reality. 35 years of varying intensity ideation, waiting for the last person to go- my Dad. It actually really irritates me that some pro-life arsehole out there will still likely call my action 'selfish' when I finally (hopefully) do the thing I've wanted for so long for myself and leave. Not saying you're the pro-life arsehole here. But yeah- it's pretty annoying how suicide is seen.

I do indeed feel that life is a very unfair (and selfish) burden to put on someone and expect them to not only keep and pay for but, to be grateful for the opportunity. All because prospective parents (I would argue mostly) wanted to experience parenthood. Life really does feel like an imposition for some people. It's just a shame that that isn't more recognised. Plus, recognised that it's perfectly reasonable for some people to want out. You don't reasonably birth a baby inside a bear trap and expect it not to try to wriggle free.
 
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SecretDissociation

SecretDissociation

Suicide enthusiast
Sep 11, 2022
341
I think suicide is one of the least selfish acts out there. I mean, one ends their life because of the burden of life itself, but also because they don't want to be a burden to others anymore. When a life comes to an end you disappear from society, only the people around you care, and even then their lives don't pause. Plus, why is suicide selfish? Death from natural or other causes isn't seen as selfish but pitiful, sorrowful, even sometimes full of 'matyr'. It's a normal part of life. Saying it's selfish just because someone did it to themselves is kind of offensive tbh. But idk, there are a lot of niche's to this topic, but regardless of all the points one could make in the world about how suicide is selfish, I'll always think it isn't.
 
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Hazrakaht

Member
Apr 28, 2025
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I approached this guy with an good faith explanation why his "mathematical proof" was nonsense in the other thread and was eventually when the arguments ran out hit with the all-time zinger of "didn't read, lol" and now he just starts over with a new thread. I think he's just a troll.

Trolling a forum about suicide, huh? Well that's a low. I vote he should be forced to publicly refute my last rebuttal in his earlier thread or be banned. That'd be interesting! I'll gladly read any good-faith critique and reply to it again

its honestly fucked. if they arent a fed, theyre a troll. id almost prefer a fed because at least then youre just doing your job even if its disgusting. but seriously trolling a suicide forum is beyond fucked.
 
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Griever

Griever

Alone Among Ghosts
May 1, 2025
246
My personal opinion: If I'm selfish because I kill myself, then I'm selfish and I don't have a problem being selfish
 
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Johnzaga23

Experienced
Dec 10, 2024
228
its honestly fucked. if they arent a fed, theyre a troll. id almost prefer a fed because at least then youre just doing your job even if its disgusting. but seriously trolling a suicide forum is beyond fucked.
am I a troll or a fed in a website that promotes free discussion for and against suicide? I think you are misunderstanding the rules of this site. If you were so pro suicide, you wouldn't be here.
 
treestumpisland

treestumpisland

Member
Jul 6, 2024
11
its honestly fucked. if they arent a fed, theyre a troll. id almost prefer a fed because at least then youre just doing your job even if its disgusting. but seriously trolling a suicide forum is beyond fucked.
100% agree.
 
Catchingdabus27

Catchingdabus27

Enlightened
Dec 8, 2019
1,481
Even the start of this post comes off extremely condescending "well yall didn't like my last post so here lemme write this" maybe take some time to reflect on why the last post wasn't that well recieved...



And it just contains a lot of assumptions. This is place where a lot of people are hurting not too sure why all these debates are needed and I feel if anything blobgs more in the philosophy(?) part of the forum.

Anyway im out. (Of this thread)
 
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Johnzaga23

Experienced
Dec 10, 2024
228
Even the start of this post comes off extremely condescending "well yall didn't like my last post so here lemme write this" maybe take some time to reflect on why the last post wasn't that well recieved...



And it just contains a lot of assumptions. This is place where a lot of people are hurting not too sure why all these debates are needed and I feel if anything blobgs more in the philosophy(?) part of the forum.

Anyway im out. (Of this thread)
i thought that this is a safe place for suicide discussion of any kind. But apparently there is a fanatic crowd of long term users who still haven't CBT'd yet and they attack anything that goes against their beliefs calling it anti-choice propaganda. Thats what is really disgusting, not me. As for imOk, i believe that his arguments are constructive and i look forward to replying to him when i feel better with my meds. I do not understand his hostility thought. I thought he was ready for a serious discussion.
 
22yearsbroken

22yearsbroken

Lost in the dark... with no sign of light
Feb 15, 2025
249
Family who keep you alive while your in a coma or a PVS is selfish... people forcing you to live for there own gain or so they dont feel guilt ...is selfish being told how to live your life by another person is selfish... living your own life your way.. or choosing a way out of life.. isnt selfish ...its your life.. no one elses
 
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waitin2go

30~years passive ideation, 2025 active research
Apr 26, 2025
64
not only keep and pay for but, to be grateful for the opportunity. All because prospective parents (I would argue mostly) wanted to experience parenthood. Life really does feel like an imposition for some people
 
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Daenerys Targaryen

toxic
Jan 4, 2025
319
selfishness theirs. That they keep us alive at all costs and with threats.
 
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Pleaserewind

Member
Oct 4, 2024
22
I feel if I ctb it is selfish of me because of the pain I'll cause family and friends but I'll have to weigh that against whether or not I feel I can continue to live a life of certain depression for the next maybe 40 yrs.
 
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Johnzaga23

Experienced
Dec 10, 2024
228
Also I want to add something that i forgot about suicide and selfishness. The argument that suicide is selfish doesn't adress murder suicide. If suicide is selfish, why wouldn't the suicidal person just kill their family and then kill themselves? wouldn't that save them from grief and from the pain of existence in general? Therefore, the argument of selfishness has scary and moraly controversial implications.
 
Apathy79

Apathy79

Wizard
Oct 13, 2019
638
It's a good point. I think for someone seriously considering something like that, suicide can't be selfish. But I also think it's a tiny subset of suicidal people with those proclivities.
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

Wizard
Apr 30, 2024
668
i thought that this is a safe place for suicide discussion of any kind. But apparently there is a fanatic crowd of long term users who still haven't CBT'd yet and they attack anything that goes against their beliefs calling it anti-choice propaganda. Thats what is really disgusting, not me. As for imOk, i believe that his arguments are constructive and i look forward to replying to him when i feel better with my meds. I do not understand his hostility thought. I thought he was ready for a serious discussion.
If you're so pro-choice & so scared of hell, shouldn't you be thrilled the long-term fanatics are still here???
Yay, Team Haven't Done It Yet!!!
Go, us!!
Isn't that your team, if you're still here????
Starting new threads every time people disagree with you or call out your shit is gonna get exhausting.
Perhaps when you want to talk about safe spaces, attacks, & what is actually truly disgusting, you could justify your comment on a suicide forum to a fucking human being -
"By the way why are you still alive?"
Who the fuck says that?
To anyone?
Ever?
I'm not gonna engage further, I shouldn't have logged in today, Mother's Day...
But maybe if you're still looking to make someone else feel worse on a suicide forum, make some dead mum jokes for me. And some dead baby ones too, if you're feeling it.
This shit breaks my heart, I have to go back to ignoring, I know it's just weakness in a tough week, I wish I'd never read any of it & that I hadn't participated...
 
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butimstillsoblue

Warrior
Dec 27, 2024
58
do you dissagree with this post?

I disagree with you trying to stir up shit with your mumbo jumbo amongst a group of people who have much bigger problems than your nonsensical ranting.

So, the conclusion is, that suicidal people need something stronger to hang on to their lives, something that will make the desire to abandon life go away after all, whether that be religion, or a new perspective. The hope that one day the suicidal person will genuinely want to live is what needs to be the main focus for suicide prevention.

Especially because what starts out as a seemingly pro suicide post, ends up being the exact opposite.

Just like the mathematical masterpiece from yesterday.

This is a waste of time, and like @DOHARDTHINGS24 I won't be engaging with you further.
 

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