Discussion suicide activism

[brutalus]

hello,

I feel very angry at the worlds general stance in regards to suicide. I feel that we are held hostage in this life for the benefit of others. There's prejudice, lack of information, lack of help, persecution.

i feel that the only reason why i would want to live now is to form some sort of activism against this massive oppression of the unwilling to live.

in my opinion, suicide should be sanctioned, studied, promoted. i know its not for everyone but a lot of people just live because thats the normal thing to do. wht if there was an alternative_ what if we could remove the taboo and sadness out of death. would this be some sort of evolution?

for example if suicide was sanctioned, arrangements could be made to make the proper farewells and do it a painless, safe, effective way.

another thing that pops to mind is, if we don't want our lives, maybe we could donate our organs or other possessions. so many good things could come out of a truly sanctioned suicide.

what do you think?

 

[Symbiote]

Our societies put too much emphasis on "life is sacred" "better to be technically alive than dead no matter what!" we all die, death isn't always negative or unwanted, many people eat dead animals daily, let each decide on their own if they want to die.

The other argument is that dead people can't make money for the wealthy. They keep you alive for insurance reasons.

 

[brutalus]

Our societies put too much emphasis on "life is sacred" "better to be technically alive than dead no matter what!" we all die, death isn't always negative or unwanted, many people eat dead animals daily, let each decide on their own if they want to die.

The other argument is that dead people can't make money for the wealthy. They keep you alive for insurance reasons.

exactly, they don't want their slaves to die.

 

[FuneralCry]

A right to die should be a basic human right. We never even asked to be alive in the first place. Society places too much emphasis on quantity rather than quality lives. Some people just don't want to suffer anymore. For example there is many diseases that we can have no control over and destroy our quality of life. People shouldn't be forced to choose from having to suffer or attempt methods that require secrecy, can be traumatic to others or can easily go wrong. It should be legal everywhere.

 

[Life_and_Death]

i think part of the problem is we grow up taught to avoid death. "dont play with knives" "dont play in streets" "look before you cross" ect. to people that have no desire to die, they lack the understanding as to why one would want to. there needs to be a healthy balance between living and death.
of course you can also look at the people that have recovered. if the option of suicide was more available and they took it, even if they didnt know it they would have regretted the option.
or what about the 15yr who wants to die for no other reason then they got dumped and just cant see past the moment?
theres just too many variables, its really not as simple as "just let them kill themselves"
im not disagreeing, just saying its not simple, its a final desision that you cant come back from. this isnt deciding to drop out of college or something, this is life vs death.

edit: id also like to add that while i dont agree that others should make decisions for us, in some cases, its more of an outside view. when someone is in distress they typically cant see any other option even when its right in front of their face.

 

[brutalus]

i think part of the problem is we grow up taught to avoid death. "dont play with knives" "dont play in streets" "look before you cross" ect. to people that have no desire to die, they lack the understanding as to why one would want to. there needs to be a healthy balance between living and death. - I think it goes beyond this. its an instinct of all living things to want to live their natural cycle. but so many things in humanity have departed from nature. i think its ok to teach children to be careful. i think its ok to assume that someone would want to live by default. im talking about us that have decided that we dont.

of course you can also look at the people that have recovered. if the option of suicide was more available and they took it, even if they didnt know it they would have regretted the option. - im not sure you can regret things after death. its hard to compare if anybodys life is better than being dead. what i am certain of, is that there are many of us forcefully suffering in life right now.

or what about the 15yr who wants to die for no other reason then they got dumped and just cant see past the moment? - ok, make it only available for 18+ years old. although I would argue that us adults are just children in disguise.

theres just too many variables, its really not as simple as "just let them kill themselves" - obviously not, but not being simple is not a good excuse for not doing something about it.

im not disagreeing, just saying its not simple, its a final desision that you cant come back from. this isnt deciding to drop out of college or something, this is life vs death. - i know, i demand power over this very important decision.

edit: id also like to add that while i dont agree that others should make decisions for us, in some cases, its more of an outside view. when someone is in distress they typically cant see any other option even when its right in front of their face. - this applies to any decision in life.

thank you for you extensive response :D

 

[Life_and_Death]

thank you for you extensive response :D

Honestly when i make comments that go against the majority i expect to get backlash so thanks for appreciating it

 

[boc]

I agree that all people should have the right to die. Evaluation through a phycologist should be sufficient in my opinion to determine if the person is making a rational decision and if they have availed themselves to available treatments. But that's not how it is, so we're left with this forum and figuring it out for ourselves.

 

[OceanBlue]

I see it as societal cruelty: to bring people into this world without consent and then ban access to safe exit methods and even general conversations about the idea itself that not everyone enjoys living on this dreadful planet. As a result, so many people are forced to use brutal methods or have to wait until death takes them by surprise.

There are some activist groups like 'my death, my decision'. We should do our best to open up this conversation, which is not easy as it's heavily censored. Overall, it's best not to bring people into this world to begin with, so these issues don't arise in the first place. The AN outreach events have just started taking place in the US, it's a worthy cause to spend the rest of your time on.

I hate death as much as I hate life and would have preferred not to experience either.

 

[brutalus]

I see it as societal cruelty: to bring people into this world without consent and then ban access to safe exit methods and even general conversations about the idea itself that not everyone enjoys living on this dreadful planet. As a result, so many people are forced to use brutal methods or have to wait until death takes them by surprise.

There are some activist groups like 'my death, my decision'. We should do our best to open up this conversation, which is not easy as it's heavily censored. Overall, it's best not to bring people into this world to begin with, so these issues don't arise in the first place. The AN outreach events have just started taking place in the US, it's a worthy cause to spend the rest of your time on.

I hate death as much as I hate life and would have preferred not to experience either.

hello, i checked out my death my decision. I think its nice that sick people are somewhat allowed to kill themselves in some places, but i want the right to suicide for everyone regardless of the reason. people have children willy-nilly. i want to die willy-nilly.