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I recently read some stuff about people threatening suicide like after a breakup for example. I was extremely disgusted when people kept saying this is to manipulate and the person is using it to try to control the other person. It may appear manipulative and like u are trying to illicit a response but I would guess that the person is in immense pain and are not necessarily thinking clearly when they are threatening suicide. The way they make it seem like u are trying to play games is what makes it upsetting. I would say the person threatening should be taken seriously but not abused for it. You should respond in a way to hopefully get the other person to calm down but to get nasty or angry at them which would be a really cruel thing to do. But this is the way many of those people would respond to the suicidal person. I was like damn no wonder they followed through. The suicidal person is seeking comfort, or just expressing the pain they feel I think more often than not. I don't like when people make other people out to be crazy because they are making suicidal threats. They are not crazy they are in pain.
 
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I think it's because it can be and often is used as an abuse tactic and in that case is manipulative. Where the person threatening suicide has no real intention of carrying it out they just want to use that threat to control the other person or guilt them into not leaving them. People who threaten suicide with no intention obviously have something wrong with them but it actually takes away from genuinely suicidal people getting taken seriously when asking for help. If you see someone constantly threatening suicide, then being taken back and never doing anything, suddenly they are not suicidal it's pretty clear that was just manipulation and abuse. It should still be taken seriously though and help offered if it is wanted but it should not be up to the person leaving the relationship to provide this or be forced into staying. They just shouldn't try to make it worse. For example I have a friend in a similar situation. Her partner constantly threatens suicide when my friend has tried to end the relationship. Even pretending to have taken an overdose and be feeling sick or drowsy. When the ambulance was called the partner was perfectly fine. This is straight up abusive to scare someone like that and use it to try and force them to stay.

Of course many people might feel suicidal after a break up and someone attempting suicide or feeling suicidal because of this is very different from someone who is making that up to coerce their partner into staying. I personally don't think anyone genuinely suicidal "threatens" suicide. They may talk about it openly or even say it will happen, and the manner in which they do that might even come across that they are in despair, it's a myth that people who talk about it aren't serious, but to threaten it implies it is being used to gain a certain response.
 
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I suppose there's a difference between it being used as a manipulation thing and expressing pain to someone. Maybe it is used as a tactic by some people who do this all the time. I have threatened suicide or just mentioned I would to friends and in the moment I'm totally serious but then it would pass. I wasn't trying to manipulate though. I was just expressing how I felt.
 
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I recently read some stuff about people threatening suicide like after a breakup for example. I was extremely disgusted when people kept saying this is to manipulate and the person is using it to try to control the other person. It may appear manipulative and like u are trying to illicit a response but I would guess that the person is in immense pain and are not necessarily thinking clearly when they are threatening suicide. The way they make it seem like u are trying to play games is what makes it upsetting. I would say the person threatening should be taken seriously but not abused for it. You should respond in a way to hopefully get the other person to calm down but to get nasty or angry at them which would be a really cruel thing to do. But this is the way many of those people would respond to the suicidal person. I was like damn no wonder they followed through. The suicidal person is seeking comfort, or just expressing the pain they feel I think more often than not. I don't like when people make other people out to be crazy because they are making suicidal threats. They are not crazy they are in pain.
Well said, and I agree with you. There are so many places that metaphorically kick the suicidal while they are down by gaslighting, invalidating, and even outright hostility towards them. (I made a thread on that topic too.) I am not surprised as to why those people who are "hurt" eventually go off to take others down with them, or even just taking themselves out (CTB). I do believe that if we treated them better, validated their hurt and feelings, treat them kinder, then it is likely that there would be fewer people who CTB or even get desperate enough to take others (who they perceived wronged them/society in general) with them. Of course, I don't condone the actions of taking others down with them, but I can understand "why" they do it. In short, yes I fully agree with you that we should treat those people who threaten suicide with compassion, understanding, and emotional support rather than brush them off, invalidate them, or go outright hostile with them, that would save more lives than what is currently happening. Sadly, normies and the majority of society is not going to listen to the truth.
 
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What can I say. I agree. However, these people are crying out for help, and I will help them if I can.
 
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I agree but nobody cares. People are selfish and cruel, and many of them make money on someone's pain.
 
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I suppose there's a difference between it being used as a manipulation thing and expressing pain to someone. Maybe it is used as a tactic by some people who do this all the time.
Yeah i don't know what you read in particular but that is the only reason I can think of that makes sense. That's pretty much the only time it is manipulation but like I said still should be taken seriously. Of course this type of manipulation is far less common than someone who is just in pain and actually feeling suicidal and asking for help.
 
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We cannot enter another person's head and know their intentions or motivations. Sometimes they don't even know their own. We cannot make someone do what we want them to do, nor make them stop doing things; co-dependence, for example, is a belief that we have such power, if only we try hard enough, and putting all our focus on that other person rather than applying our power to the only person we have the remotest chance of controlling, our own self.

At some point, the healthiest thing to do may be to disengage and allow that person to be responsible for themselves, their decisions, and their actions. I recognize and have compassion for the potential pain that the one being disengaged with may experience, but there is also a danger of taking responsibility for such a person, and unless they are a child under one's care, they must be responsible for themselves, no one else can be. If they cannot be responsible for themselves, that is fucking hard for them to deal with, and for that I have compassion, but no one else can be responsible for them, either. That is one of the shit challenges of life.

In situations such as the OP mentioned, my gut check is whether I am responding out of pity. Pity tells me that I am being externally and/or internally led to lower important boundaries and take responsibility for another and/or allow them to victimize me, even if they do not consciously have predatory or manipulative intentions. I posted once about my experience with someone I called a suicidal vampire; for months he kept me wondering if he would live or die, and kept me emotionally involved in caring about him with calculated suspense. I finally had to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt and went no contact for my own sanity.

I look back at times when others have disengaged from me. Sometimes they did not believe what I was experiencing and abandoned me. That hurt. I had to deal with it, and even years later sometimes feel a bit of the pain and WTF-ishness. Other times in the past, I put things on others that was not theirs to own, or tried to draw from them things they were not willing or able to give. I now respect them for placing a boundary against me, because allowing me to continue to behave that way only reinforced my maladaptive behaviors. Being a social animal is hard, and it is a difficult fact of life that most growth comes from making errors, suffering for them, and learning the variety of lessons only experience can offer.

From painful personal experience, I know that, in general life situations, no one *causes* another to suicide nor to become successful. For example, relationships end; while one person may respond with suicide, another may learn from the experience and go on to seek new relationships and find a mutually beneficial one, while another may renounce relationships entirely but go on living. The one who ended the relationship owns responsibility for none of these responses.

In response to the OP, I think a potential solution to such dilemmas is the stance of pro-choice, allowing others to be responsible for the decision at any time to seek ctb, recovery, or other options, and to be responsible for pursuing the results they seek from such decisions, and to change course whenever they choose. We all need help, but to me, in the interpersonal realm, help is a stop-gap, such as a bridge to go from one place to a new one, or support and guidance for learning how to connect with one's own power. True help is not a means of allowing someone to fully rely on or drain anothers' power, because no one has enough power to fully support both themselves and another -- even babies have to learn to walk and feed themselves, humans have only a limited amount of internal resources fully support and intensely focus on another for so long.
 
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