I've just ordered my SN from the Ukrainian seller everyone has been talking about. We'll see if it turns up. I now need to also think about Anti-emetics and anti-acids. I'm thinking Buccastem for the Anti-emetic and Nexium for the Anti-Acid, since both are available OTC. Anyone got any advice about how good these are as options -and whether I should also think about getting anything to go with these? Like anything to help me sleep for example?
That anti-emetic should work, although is not a popular choice. Nexium is a PPI and the efficacy of this drugs for SN is disputed. You should try to get an H2 antagonist, like famotidine, which are the recommended choice. Those are OTC on lots of countries. Another alternative are antacids like milk of magnesia or pepto bismol. You don't need an antacid to be succesful, it will just increase the absorption of SN.
I'm confused. I want to buy SN . But all the other things I don't understand, why would I need anything else apart from SN? Because I read a lot of the resource page and it doesn't make sense to me
Without Anti-Emetics you will throw up and it won't work. If you attempt to do this without an anti-emetic you will end up in hospital, and then in a mental hospital afterwards. Anti-acids are not necessary, they just make the SN more potent.
Are you in the UK? Just guessing since you asked me for the seller I got my sn from. If so you can get meto pretty easily.
Thanks. Famotidine is actually not available OTC in my country (The UK). I'm not too concerned since the anti-acids are the least important part. Is Nexium a bad idea, or would it not hurt to add that in if it's all I can get?
autumnal
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These questions are already answered in detail in the relevant guides and FAQ threads.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/autumnal-rtfm-resources-only-extended-information-png.34278/
Where do I get the anti emetics from? And I read the resource page, it is not in sections and very hard to understand. I'm from uk
What about ranitidine? I believe it is available OTC in the UK under the name Zantac. Nexium won't hurt but you need to start using it four days before the SN as it takes a while to start working.
Where do I get the anti emetics from? The resource page goes on forever. I heard olanzepine helps, but I don't know in what way. I've found a place to get SN. So where do I get the anti emetics? Please give details without fancy words
Olanzapine should work. Depending you your location you may be able to buy other antiemetics OTC. You can also get a prescription for them easily.
Thanks! Just seen your message. Think I might go with that. I'm going to wait til my SN arrives I think and then try get the meto afterwards. Slightly paranoid about the SN being intercepted so kind of want to avoid ordering anything else now so I can try and deny I was trying to ctb if I somehow end up getting challenged about it.
Olanazapine can be used as an anti-emetic. To stop you from throwing up.
That's cool. Would you recommend any of these? (In the picture) and how much do you suffer after taking SN?
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GoodPersonEffed
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- Jan 11, 2020
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This is a false statement. It's okay if you believe it for yourself, it's your ctb, but it is false information to spread, with unsupported, fear-generating statements to boot. Again, if that's your belief and your fear, that's fine, but stating it authoritatively, with no support for it, can unduly influence others.
To you and to all, I recommend doing thorough research before coming to such erroneous conclusions: Stan's Guide, the SN FAQ, the threads that gathered the anecdotal accounts of successes and failures, and the PPH if you want to risk trusting the link and don't have access to the original.
Stan's guide clearly states AEs are not necessary, they are only for comfort. And the gathered anecdotal accounts of successes and failures clearly demonstrate that vomiting is not in any way a root cause of the method failing or someone ending up in the hospital. What leads to going to the hospital is taking incorrect amounts of SN and water, getting interrupted, or aborting and calling for help.
From Stan's guide:
"The second most important step of the method after making the SN drink and swallowing it, is for the SN to stay in your stomach."
If you put poison into your body your natural response is going to be to throw up. If you throw up, it is hardly likely to work as you've ridden your body of the poison.
A list of SN attempts and what happened can be found in this thread:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...nd-experiences-information-google-docs.29900/
I spent a long time reading through the list of attempts, along with other threads from people who attempted using SN, and an incredibly common theme in failed attempts is that people didnt take anti-emetics and so were either found later with vomit all over them or called an ambulance themselves due to the unbearable vomiting. Sorry - but from the research I've done there is no debate about anti-emetics being essential.
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Quarky00
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Not true . Without antiemetics SN is still fatal and you will die . The amount you expel is nothing compared to what remains , and it is fatal . PPH increased dosage from 15g to 25g for that reason .
Your research is incorrect . Many fatally ingested SN without antiemetics .
So is life , permanent brain damage , or psychiatric hospitalization . Read thoroughly first . The guide clearly states 12 antipsychotics , so the problem is not with the resource page -- you haven't read even the basic info about AEs . You were given good answers but you're carefree "I don't want to read" attitude is disheartening .
I've gone through the list of anecdotes again. 2/3 of the list of successful attempts specifically mention taking anti-emetics. Most of the rest do not mention it. More than 2/3 of the list of unsuccessful attempts do not mention taking anti-emetics or specifically mention not taking it. It would be extremely unwise to not take them, and the info we have suggests it will severely reduce your chances of success. So I would still say it's essential.
GoodPersonEffed
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Please know I'm debating here, not attacking. My tone may come across as dry or academic, which it is, but it's so dry it may also come across as harsh or argumentative, which is not at all what I'm feeling.
First, Stan's Guide says:
The essential component is the SN. Everything else is meant to make the process easier for you and to minimise any possible symptoms and discomfort.
Second, this is the complete quote of which you shared part:
The second most important step of the method after making the SN drink and swallowing it, is for the SN to stay in your stomach. You are drinking a toxic liquid and your body defences will recognise this and may try to cleanse your body. One of the defence systems is vomiting.
I'm glad you shared the link of accounts. I, too, have spent much time reading it, listing symptoms and tallying percentages, etc., so I've really engaged with it. What I noticed is that even when folks vomited, provided they took enough SN and not too much water, enough SN had entered their systems to complete the process to ctb unless interrupted, found, or they themselves aborted the attempt and sought help.
I accept that there is no debate for you personally that AEs are essential, but I would caution every member to do their own research, scour the accounts for themselves, and come to their own conclusion. After doing my own thorough research, I would be confident to drink SN right now without an AE, so long as I took the exact right amounts of SN and water.
You said that some called an ambulance due to unbearable vomiting -- that's not a failure of the method but of personal tolerance, in which case, an AE is necessary for one who finds vomiting to be intolerable. Again, it doesn't indicate that the SN failed, but that the person who took it aborted due to discomfort, not ineffectiveness. The first quote from Stan's Guide addresses this. All meds are to minimize symptoms and discomfort, not to ensure the effectiveness of the SN itself.
Forgive me, I don't recall any accounts of people who took AEs being found with AEs all over them. I think that was a typo, as one can't not take the AEs and yet have them all over, unless they're the pills they didn't take. Also, it sounds as if the failure/s was/were due to being found and interrupted. Would you be willing to clarify?
Quarky00
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- Dec 17, 2019
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That wasn't the reason they failed . AE had nothing to do with it .
I wouldn't say "extremely unwise" , considering prob getting it
No , failed attempts are not due to vomiting
Some may consider those essential , for peaceful quicker death , I can totally see that . But lack of won't harm fatality .Don't worry. I understand that you're debating and not attacking, and appreciate that.
The risk of vomiting and then phoning emergency services, or even just being found covered in vomit is a risk that can be reduced by taking Anti-emetics. You're a lot more likely to be found if you're loudly vomiting as opposed to, say just laying down peacefully. Obviously the latter part of that statement can be combatted by ensuring no-one is anywhere near you at the time of your attempt, if possible. But is still a valid point for anyone not alone in a house, or with people in neighbouring accomodation that might hear.
Looking again at that list, there are also examples in there of people who vomited and thus simply woke up later, rather than any emergency service response being the result of their survival.
Given the low amount of water and SN that is needed to to ctb (usually 20-25g of SN and somewhere under 100ml of water - I'd have to check the exact amount of water) vomiting soon after taking your dose could very easily empty out most if not all of the SN - another potential cause of failure.
Regarding my last comment, that was supposed to say 'covered in vomit', rather than anti-emetics. Obviously I can't know the exact circumstances behind the failed attempts in the anecdotes, but as mentioned the risk of being found is higher if you're being loud. It's also widely agreed that the best position to be in after taking sn is to be lying down. If you're lying on a bed you're much more likely to be seen as asleep if you're not covered in vomit.
I would have to ask, with all the the factors I have mentioned why would someone not take anti-emetics to avoid the risks that not doing so bring to the table?
GoodPersonEffed
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- Jan 11, 2020
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That's a good question.
I've seen so many members say that they cannot obtain AEs, or have negative reactions to them, and therefore abandon the method in disappointment because they've heard or reached a conclusion that AEs are an absolutely necessary part of the method.
That's why I always speak up when someone says they are necessary for the method, because folks may abandon a highly effective method otherwise. There may be some intolerable symptoms with or without supplementary aids such as AEs, but what is intolerable to one is not to another. And the circumstances also play a role in how much one can tolerate.
For instance, I am terrified of heights, so jumping is intolerable. But if a band of terrorists who would torture me is heading for me, I'd jump to save myself. If they were outside my door and I had SN, I'd drink it and ride out the suffering of symptoms, because the imminent threat would be worse. However, if I were at home under no threat, and the symptoms were intolerable, I might cave and call an ambulance to relieve my suffering, just as I would rip a bag off of my head if I were attempting suffocation. I think there's a survival instinct response of "I just can't do it," but if one is attempting ctb to overcome something even worse and very imminent, they may be able to bypass that instinct and push through.
Not arguing anything here however some of the failed attempts are "questionable" as to their validity. I would caution to not Take all of those as true hard facts
GoodPersonEffed
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Hmmm, I personally would dig more deeply into the accounts of failures to determine what reasons were cited, rather than making the leap that because no AE was either taken or mentioned in 2/3 of failures, therefore the lack contributed to failures, and is also therefore essential.
Again, not being argumentative, I just don't see that the info we have suggests it will severely reduce one's chances of success if they don't take an AE. Perhaps if you cited specific failures that clearly demonstrated how the lack of an AE directly impacted the failure of the SN. You don't have to, of course, and I maintain that if this is your strong opinion, then it's right for your ctb; however, I don't yet see that your assertions are universally applicable that it's extremely unwise to not take an AE, nor that its lack severely reduces one's chances of success. I'm willing to change my position if I see convincing evidence. "Extremely" and "severely" indicate to me that you feel strongly, but I don't yet see support for that, though I remain open to the possibility.
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