Venting Sorry but suicide is not a tragedy, our existences don’t matter so we should all just be able to die in peace when we want to.

[FuneralCry]

Suicide really isn't tragic, in fact death isn't a big deal at all, there's nothing special about us as humans and those who pretend otherwise are deluded. At the end of the day if one dies sooner or later it all just leads to the same result in the end, us being completely forgotten about and that's all we are destined for. We are destined for nothing but to die anyway, we are literally just waiting around to die, we really don't matter and existence is overall so incredibly meaningless.

Suicide is literally just the way to prevent unnecessary suffering in an existence that was always pointless in the first place so therefore for me suicide is very rational, there's nothing tragic about permanently not existing, there's no sadness in choosing to be eternally relieved from the torturous and futile burden of existing as a human.

Existence itself is the true problem and an abomination, there is no meaning or purpose to existence, in fact existence is literally nothing more than a virus that just creates harm and suffering. So really it's insane and extreme cruelty wishing to deny people a painless death, there are literally no disadvantages to not existing which is all we are destined for anyway, it really is like many people forget how futile existence truly is and how both normal and inevitable death is.

 

[Meteora]

Suicide really isn't tragic, in fact death isn't a big deal at all, there's nothing special about us as humans and those who pretend otherwise are deluded.

So really it's insane and extreme cruelty wishing to deny people a painless death,

it really is like many people forget how futile existence truly is and how both normal and inevitable death is.

Can't say more that I agree, 100%.

 

[Argo]

I don't think you can square "suicide is important" with "we don't matter". Either we don't matter and the fact of suicide is not worth talking about, has no value, there's no fact of the matter morally, or...


There is a fact of the matter, and there's a more and less ethical attitude towards suicide. Suicide ethics matter because we matter. I'm open to being wrong, this is just how it appears.

 

[sserafim]

I don't think you can square "suicide is important" with "we don't matter". Either we don't matter and the fact of suicide is not worth talking about, has no value, there's no fact of the matter morally, or...


There is a fact of the matter, and there's a more and less ethical attitude towards suicide. Suicide ethics matter because we matter. I'm open to being wrong, this is just how it appears.

I think that people are under an illusion that we matter, but we actually don't. We're only seen as valuable in the eyes of society for what we can contribute and how it can profit/make money off of us. Society just wants to exploit people for their labor, capitalism needs wageslaves to function successfully. It doesn't actually care about your well-being or you as an individual. It only sees you for your productivity, not who you actually are

 

[slightoverlooked]

suicide is a tragedy for the people around you. humans are animals, social animals. when someone dies the people around them will be sad and believe that there could have been something to save that person, to make this person see the world like they see them (worthwhile).
cant be angry at my mother or people that are very close to me because in the end its an instinct ig. just like an animal mother will mourn her child and prevent death.

 

[Adûnâi]

Then why do I get bummed out when people kill themselves? Is it because I think they're sad on the way out? (They usually are, lmao.) Or is it because I'm selfish (but I usually have no relation to them at all)?

Sure, sure, it's not supposed to feel sad, but still is.

suicide is a tragedy for the people around you. humans are animals, social animals. when someone dies the people around them

Well, I'm sad for people whom I never knew. Checkmate, animals.

 

[Argo]

I think that people are under an illusion that we matter, but we actually don't. We're only seen as valuable in the eyes of society for what we can contribute and how it can profit/make money off of us. Society just wants to exploit people for their labor, capitalism needs wageslaves to function successfully. It doesn't actually care about your well-being or you as an individual

You mean like what actually happens in the world? Then I agree, most people are treated as if they don't matter. But if we're just talking about what's true, then in that sense I do think people matter. Just because things don't care, doesn't mean that's what's true the same way that if we rewound the world a million years, no one would be able to understand truths about math, but... would that have anything to say about what's actually true about math?

OMG you've been on sasu since just a few months after it first opened for business.

I guess so. I left for a long time though, I only came back very recently

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I know it's hard to believe, but some people have feelings and emotions that aren't just hatred for life.

 

[DreamEnd]

Oh yeah sure. Suicide is totally not a tragedy and all the grieving mothers and fathers should just make peace with this fact. Honestly if they are showing emotion and do not want their kid to die they are probably just gatekeeping suicide and are evil pro lifers. Brilliant take, as always

 

[sserafim]

Oh yeah sure. Suicide is totally not a tragedy and all the grieving mothers and fathers should just make peace with this fact. Honestly if they are showing emotion and do not want their kid to die they are probably just gatekeeping suicide and are evil pro lifers. Brilliant take, as always

They only care about how they feel though, not how the suicidal person felt.

 

[DreamEnd]

They only care about how they feel though, not how the suicidal person felt.

Not really, at least in my case it isnt true. They care and they want to help which is why they feel what they feel.

 

[Chinaski]

FuneralCry is wrong literally all of the time imho.

 

[sserafim]

You mean like what actually happens in the world? Then I agree, most people are treated as if they don't matter. But if we're just talking about what's true, then in that sense I do think people matter. Just because things don't care, doesn't mean that's what's true the same way that if we rewound the world a million years, no one would be able to understand truths about math, but... would that have anything to say about what's actually true about math?



I guess so. I left for a long time though, I only came back very recently

What do you mean by "what's true"? How do you know that there is an objective truth? How do you know that your "truth" is the right one? What about mine? I don't believe that people matter, the universe existed for billions of years without us and will continue existing for billions of years after we're gone. Our existence makes no difference. Humanity is meaningless in the larger scale of things, it's just a small blip in the greater scheme of the universe.

 

[Argo]

FuneralCry is wrong literally all of the time imho.

I think she's brilliant on the problem of existence. People rarely understand things at a fundamental level that way, they're always looking at superficial problems and solutions. That's why our species is so confused.

 

[Malaria]

I had a friend commit suicide about three years ago. I have very mixed feelings about it, if I'm to be honest.

On one hand, I miss him a lot. On the other hand, I can't judge him because I know how it feels to be in so much pain that you just want to walk out of this world. I do wish I could give him a hug and tell him I empathize with his pain, though.

In my opinion, it's not so black and white. I think you can empathize with suicidal people while also being very sad that they're gone. Both feelings are valid. Just as long as you don't force people to live against their will, it's okay to feel the way you do.

 

[Argo]

What do you mean by "what's true"? How do you know that there is an objective truth? How do you know that your "truth" is the right one? What about mine? I don't believe that people matter, the universe existed for billions of years without us and will continue existing for billions of years after we're gone. Our existence makes no difference. Humanity is meaningless in the larger scale of things, it's just a small blip in the greater scheme of the universe.

"Objective truth" is one of these philosophical dead ends that you can address a million different ways, but here are some ways to address specifically moral truth. You can reverse engineer them for truth in general, too.

 

[Chinaski]

I think she's brilliant on the problem of existence. People rarely understand things at a fundamental level that way, they're always looking at superficial problems and solutions. That's why our species is so confused.

I think most people do know they will eventually die tbf

 

[Adûnâi]

FuneralCry is wrong literally all of the time imho.

Where she's wrong is in believing that human happiness is fake. It's not. The demand for suicide seems to be generally low in all cultures, in most circumstances. And where the demand is higher such as in Japan, it doesn't mean it's better for any given person.

Where I do agree with FuneralCry is in the personal hatred and aversion to all existence. But I admit that it would be patronising, "You don't know yourself how vile your existence is!"

Either way, the "correct" and most "internally consistent" path is anyone's guess. It's all games anyway.

 

[walkingdead2023]

They only care about how they feel though, not how the suicidal person felt.

You don't know that, my friend!! It hurts when loved ones die specially by suicide..

 

[sserafim]

You don't know that, my friend!! It hurts when loved ones die specially by suicide..

Yeah because *you* lost them.

 

[Chinaski]

Yeah because *you* lost them.

Yes, this is what grief is, wtf

 

[sserafim]

Yes, this is what grief is, wtf

It's selfish for them to expect someone to stay alive for them though, and that literally proves my point. In their opinion, their grief is more important than your pain and suffering

"They only care about how they feel though and not how the suicidal person felt"

 

[Chinaski]

It's selfish for them to expect someone to stay alive for them though, and that literally proves my point. In their opinion, their grief is more important than your pain and suffering

"They only care about how they feel though and not how the suicidal person felt"

Juvenile crap imo, so hugely distant from the reality of death

 

[walkingdead2023]

Suicide really isn't tragic, in fact death isn't a big deal at all, there's nothing special about us as humans and those who pretend otherwise are deluded. At the end of the day if one dies sooner or later it all just leads to the same result in the end, us being completely forgotten about and that's all we are destined for. We are destined for nothing but to die anyway, we are literally just waiting around to die, we really don't matter and existence is overall so incredibly meaningless.

Suicide is literally just the way to prevent unnecessary suffering in an existence that was always pointless in the first place so therefore for me suicide is very rational, there's nothing tragic about permanently not existing, there's no sadness in choosing to be eternally relieved from the torturous and futile burden of existing as a human.

Existence itself is the true problem and an abomination, there is no meaning or purpose to existence, in fact existence is literally nothing more than a virus that just creates harm and suffering. So really it's insane and extreme cruelty wishing to deny people a painless death, there are literally no disadvantages to not existing which is all we are destined for anyway, it really is like many people forget how futile existence truly is and how both normal and inevitable death is.

Yeah because *you* lost them.

no because we're human! I'm sorry but you're generalizing your statements. When someone die by suicide it's not parents or anyone's fault we hate living it's true but I will never blame anyone I might said something here when I'm pissed but none is to blame and it's painful for those behind to grieve the loss of their loved ones not because " I lost them" because it's a "loss" you're human you should have some type of empathy towards the topic.. I'm not in love with the idea of " death" like some people here and they are here they are not going anywhere..despite the fact that I'm suicidal I still think about the people who cares about me

 

[sserafim]

no because we're human! I'm sorry but you're generalizing your statements. When someone die by suicide it's not parents or anyone's fault we hate living it's true but I will never blame anyone I might said something here when I'm pissed but none is to blame and it's painful for those behind to grieve the loss of their loved ones not because " I lost them" because it's a "loss" you're human you should have some type of empathy towards the topic.. I'm not in love with the idea of " death" like some people here and they are here they are not going anywhere..despite the fact that I'm suicidal I still think about the people who cares about me

Yeah but it's selfish to expect your loved ones to keep living for you if they're in pain and suffering. You believe that you and your grief is more important than their pain. If you really had empathy then you would let your loved one go. I'm not in love with the idea of death either but I don't see suicide as selfish, rather I see the pro-lifers' and loved ones' expectation for a person in unbearable suffering to continue living as selfish.

 

[DreamEnd]

no because we're human! I'm sorry but you're generalizing your statements. When someone die by suicide it's not parents or anyone's fault we hate living it's true but I will never blame anyone I might said something here when I'm pissed but none is to blame and it's painful for those behind to grieve the loss of their loved ones not because " I lost them" because it's a "loss" you're human you should have some type of empathy towards the topic.. I'm not in love with the idea of " death" like some people here and they are here they are not going anywhere..despite the fact that I'm suicidal I still think about the people who cares about me

Yeah to be fair some people are here are very pro death which is a huge red flag for me personally.

 

[walkingdead2023]

It's selfish for them to expect someone to stay alive for them though, and that literally proves my point. In their opinion, their grief is more important than your pain and suffering

"They only care about how they feel though and not how the suicidal person felt"

It's selfish for them to expect someone to stay alive for them though, and that literally proves my point. In their opinion, their grief is more important than your pain and suffering

"They only care about how they feel though and not how the suicidal person felt"

How do you know?

Yeah but it's selfish to expect your loved ones to keep living for you if they're in pain and suffering. You believe that you and your grief is more important than their pain. If you really had empathy then you would let your loved one go. I'm not in love with the idea of death either but I don't see suicide as selfish, rather I see the pro-lifers' and loved ones' expectation for a person in unbearable suffering to continue living as selfish.

I see your point but I can swear that my dad will die once I die that's his much he cares.. I'm not going to say the same about my mom but we have people who cares example I never told my dad about my feeling and suicidal ideations so he's suppose to read my mind… maybe if we open up they will help.. I think it's going to be selfish when I die but I already planning so I'm not reversing my decision and I will tell my dad in writing that it wasn't his fault and that I love him so much

Yeah to be fair some people are here are very pro death which is a huge red flag for me personally.

Thank you! The problem is they are here they are not going anywhere.. we are.

 

[DreamEnd]

Yeah but it's selfish to expect your loved ones to keep living for you if they're in pain and suffering. You believe that you and your grief is more important than their pain. If you really had empathy then you would let your loved one go. I'm not in love with the idea of death either but I don't see suicide as selfish, rather I see the pro-lifers' and loved ones' expectation for a person in unbearable suffering to continue living as selfish.

You are right but not all people are in unbearable suffering. In fact they are probably the minority. If someone breaks up with their partner and says hey I'm gonna ctb would you still say" let him ctb he is in pain, ignoring his pain is selfish?" Clearly there is a middle ground somewhere.

How do you know?

I see your point but I can swear that my dad will die once I die that's his much he cares.. I'm not going to say the same about my mom but we have people who cares example I never told my dad about my feeling and suicidal ideations so he's suppose to read my mind… maybe if we open up they will help.. I think it's going to be selfish when I die but I already planning so I'm not reversing my decision and I will tell my dad in writing that it wasn't his fault and that I love him so much

Thank you! The problem is they are here they are not going anywhere.. we are.

My dad will probably die too, unfortunately.

 

[slightoverlooked]

It's selfish for them to expect someone to stay alive for them though, and that literally proves my point. In their opinion, their grief is more important than your pain and suffering

"They only care about how they feel though and not how the suicidal person felt"

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

 

[DreamEnd]

that would mean empathy is not real lmao. but it is. ppl feel empathetic bc they believe things could have gotten better (even if it wouldn't).
i think its normal that someone in your life or a stranger might have a more optimistic outlook on your situation. its normal. in what world would we live in if everyone just didnt care when ppl died from suicide.
i get happy when i see others happy. i think some ppl might think about me the same. so of course they are going to be sad when i decide to kms bc they want to see me happy. i think thats very selfless. suicide isnt selfish. wanting a person to stay alive isnt selfish. suicide is a symptom and outcome of most mental illnesses. being sad bc a human died is empathy.

Nice, you put it better than I could.