Some questions about SN... hope the anwsers put me at ease

[Blutsager]

Hello my friends,

First and foremost, I want to address it is likely the questions I am asking may be already available and answered among your resources, but... I dunno, I want to hear it from you guys.

I have a package of 2 kilos of SN on a drawer. Bought from a food additives supplier online. The package is a paper bag, all broken and ripped, and then completely wrapped in tape. I imagine it is somewhat sealed, but sadly I can't be sure, and being that this is merely done with adhesive tape, I can't promise much.

I have nothing else other than this. I have an anti-acid, thinking this would help with the puking, but have read quite on the contrary, that is a terrible idea to mix with SN.

So I guess it's just me and my SN then. I can't tell you it's purity, I do not know and the package says nothing. Nor can with certainty trust how well sealed it is.

My only plan with this is as follows:

Fast as much as I can, I've been thinking even of fasting for 48 hours. Once this is done, I'll proceed to make small packages made with tissue paper. I will try to consume the equivalent of a full, or two, soapspoons of SN. I know, I should get a weight to measure it... but I doubt I'll be as lucky. If the electrical weight I have works, and I am somewhat too depressed right now to try it out, I may be able to test it, and then measure 30 mg of SN, and make it in 3 packages. Once tightly packed, I will put some sugar on a dish, and lightly wet it, so I can roll the packages on this to make it less unpleasant to swallow with water.

Once that is done... well, I think I will make more packages rather than just 3. And keep this extra packages next to my bed as I lay down there. Should I feel like it, I will swallow more as I loose unconsciousness. I hope my fasting will ensure I can't puke it, or that, as I have heard, even when puking it will still kill me.

It saddens me to make such plans, but... well, it has come to that. Perhaps I will end up having so share with others if this life becomes so horrible others than me are also broken by it.

Best of luck my friends. And I thank you in advance to any and all answers.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I would suggest you put the SN in an air-tight container.

Second, it would be wise to test the SN. You can do this with aquarium testing strips. You can also do it with your own blood, just a few drops. If the SN turns the blood a dark chocolate brown, that means it is strong enough to cause methemoglobinemia. Do not put the SN on the open wound on your skin as the SN will enter your system.

 

[Donk]

i dont think 48 hrs is neccessary for fasting. seems way too long and your body will start craving for food. 12 hours should be long enough. just dont go to a buffet as your last meal.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Even 4-8 hours should be enough time for stomach contents to empty.

Also, @Blutsager, read Stan's guide, the SN FAQ, and the SN megathread. More than 30g is no necessary. You can measure it with your cupped palm, Google "measure tablespoon palm" to see what that looks like, 25g of SN is a heaping tablespoon.

 

[Living sucks]

I guess the tissue paper concept is to avoid tasting but will the tissue paper absorb the SN in your stomach? I think you should practice this with sugar in the tissue paper first, even just one, with 10g sugar to see if this is even swallowable. Even those who have used capsules have vomited so i don't think that prevents vomiting.
I am like you, it's just me and the SN. I can't do the meds. My stomach is too bad. I'm more worried the pain will cause me to call for help than i am about the taste.
Honest I'm quite surprised to hear this from you. Whatever you decide i hope it's painless

 

[Blutsager]

Hello everyone, and thank you for all your replies:

@GoodPersonEffed Well I've had this for like 3 weeks already... if it's not airtight it may be too late to save it of oxidization now. And besides i don't have anything airtight honestly. I mean even if I have some tupperware the mere opening the bag will expose it before I put it on the bowl so it's a lost cause.
I know the blood test, and it will be my best hope.

As for you, and @idonk putting my fasting into question... I spent today the entire day eating only a very small portion of pasta, probably less than 500 cal. I think I'll be able to endure 48 hours. Or at least 24. Unless you guys tell me excessive fasting could have counter-productive effects, I prefer to be safe than sorry, I insist I don't have access to any anti-vomit medicine so I want to be sure.

Then, the having extra SN for more doses. Once again trying to be safe. For example, if I puke, I'll have more SN doses ready to take again. I bet my body won't be able to puke twice in a row. Perhaps I could even consider forcing a puke before taking it, so I can be extra-double-super sure I am not able to puke. I have never forced myself to puke before, but I guess it's as good as it gets.

I hope dearly that SN is as peaceful as it is claimed... I am terrified of it being otherwise...

 

[one4all]

@Blutsager Have you seen this thread about fasting?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/fasting-sn.29987/

 

[Blutsager]

I guess the tissue paper concept is to avoid tasting but will the tissue paper absorb the SN in your stomach? I think you should practice this with sugar in the tissue paper first, even just one, with 10g sugar to see if this is even swallowable. Even those who have used capsules have vomited so i don't think that prevents vomiting.
I am like you, it's just me and the SN. I can't do the meds. My stomach is too bad. I'm more worried the pain will cause me to call for help than i am about the taste.
Honest I'm quite surprised to hear this from you. Whatever you decide i hope it's painless

Thank you my friend! I wonder why you say you are surprised of hearing this from me?. I have asked many times, and discussed, that I have SN and my plans to use it. Regardless... Dunno, I am terrified of even giving it a test with sugar... I don't know I guess I ain't truly considering this as much as I think I do or something. My god is it hard to accept what I am thinking of.

 

[William Barker]

Wait, even if you leave it unsealed and with the plastic on, taking the SN out of the plastic bag will cause it to oxidize?

And how long would it take before it oxidizes and becomes no good?

 

[Living sucks]

Says that it does not oxidize with oxygen.

Solid – can I open and close the bottle/bag?

YES. Unless you're in a sauna .. It does not oxidize with oxygen , only with water (that solution is potent) Frequent exposure will damage it, but over time. Occasional won't. Clamps are fine Normal temperatures are fine . SN is transported in trucks/airplanes neither heated nor cooled . SN storage warnings mention only high heat, reagents, pressure, and combustion. That includes strong acids / bases / oxidizers . These may cause reaction .

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@GoodPersonEffed Well I've had this for like 3 weeks already... if it's not airtight it may be too late to save it of oxidization now. And besides i don't have anything airtight honestly. I mean even if I have some tupperware the mere opening the bag will expose it before I put it on the bowl so it's a lost cause.

Just opening it and putting it in Tupperware is not going to make it oxidize. The concern is the packaging it is in, you wrote about it as if it has already been exposed to air.

I'm really confused in this thread. You said you don't want to read the resources, you want to hear from other members. Then you come up with some strange ideas, and don't listen when other members advise you to do otherwise.

If you want to be successful with this method, assuming you'll even need it, then you need to take responsibility for your own success and do the research.

Honestly, I don't think you're thinking things through. If things get as bad as you fear they will, the things that would cause you to take SN, then you're not going to have 48 hours to fast, or 24 hours.

And your initial posts about your mother...what if she doesn't want to take SN and you do? Will you harm her in order to "help" her? Will you take the SN and allow her to watch you die?

I don't mean to offend, I am only speaking with honesty and directness: you don't seem to have a rational thought process about taking ctb in an apocalyptic scenario, and quite frankly, I feel frightened for your mother.

 

[Blutsager]

Says that it does not oxidize with oxygen.

Solid – can I open and close the bottle/bag?

YES. Unless you're in a sauna .. It does not oxidize with oxygen , only with water (that solution is potent) Frequent exposure will damage it, but over time. Occasional won't. Clamps are fine Normal temperatures are fine . SN is transported in trucks/airplanes neither heated nor cooled . SN storage warnings mention only high heat, reagents, pressure, and combustion. That includes strong acids / bases / oxidizers . These may cause reaction .

I forgot about that! thank you!. Ok I may transpose it to several tupperwares tomorrow then, just to be safe, and then what remains in the bag itself (its two kilos after all) gonna try to super extra seal with... tape or something, so either one or the other makes it through.

@GoodPersonEffed My friend... I apologize sincerely, I see I am frustrating you inmensly, that is really sad. You are here, trying to help me, and have been so helpful, and in rewards I annoy you. I apologize.

I am sorry, I can't get the other meds that are reccomended. And my extra long fasting, as I said, if I can do it, why not for being extra safe?. As I said in the post, unless you guys tell me that would make it worse and I should actually not fast so much. Which a post someone linked actually says it's best to do the 5 or 8 hs fast, no less, NO MORE, cause more can actually have other negative effects. So fair enough, I will make it an 8 hour fast cause they gave me a good reason for it.

I won't disscuss that last part about my mom. I've had a moderator annoyed at me, thinking I intend to kill her or something, when I meant "hey, if shit hits the fan so bad she wants to die, I can offer her an easy way out rather than seeing her stab herself or something which will be horribly painful". I will, under no circumstance ever harm her, the only reason why I haven't killed myself yet is because my sole purpose at this point is to accompany her and make her happy, and should we have any chance of making it through this I won't spoil that chance by CTB and then her in her depression coming with me. So I am staying, doing my best to keep her happy, got her Netflix, bought her some wool for sewing cause she likes it (it hasn't arrived yet... I hope it will by monday). I won't, under no circumstance ever harm her.

Fuck I said I wasn't gonna talk about it but I did, but listen to me, I don't wanna keep bringing this up. I don't wanna be banned, I love this community. I have tried my best to spread love and respect for all us, always showing support for people to first and foremost continue living and otherwise to help them find a peaceful way out. I love this community and don't wanna be kicked out of it like it happened in the chat of which I got banned already.

Sorry for annoying you friend. You are a good person, and have helped me a lot.

 

[Living sucks]

I understood your posts about your mom. This was a if the world goes to shit we have an exit plan if needed. That why i said i was surprised to hear this from you. The world will be fine. When this dies down people are going to go out constantly and revitalize the economy bcuz they don't want to be home anymore. Gonna take time.
I won't be here to see what happens.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm glad you explained about your mother and thank you for doing so, as I recalled your initial comments and I had fear just as the moderator did. I doubt any of the moderators would have a problem with your explanation here.

You didn't frustrate me immensely. I will admit that I get frustrated with your logic, but my feelings are mine to own, they are not yours to own. I am just very honest and direct. If something doesn't make sense, I say so. If something troubles me, I say so. The more honest and direct I am with others, the better I and my sincere good intentions are understood.

 

[Blutsager]

I understood your posts about your mom. This was a if the world goes to shit we have an exit plan if needed. That why i said i was surprised to hear this from you. The world will be fine. When this dies down people are going to go out constantly and revitalize the economy bcuz they don't want to be home anymore. Gonna take time.
I won't be here to see what happens.

Haha, thank you my friend for your optimism. Why? How?... How is that I find such optimism in a place meant for people who have lost it all?. Why I, a man who has so many blessings, whose fire should light over the darkness that surrounds me, push it back, and show me a path through this neverending night, has instead it's fire cast more shadows on my fireplace, as I feel consumed by it, but you, who seems to have no firewood left for himself, is capable of having a fire strong enough to light me, to stop the darkness from swallowing me alive?.

You give me something I will never be able to give back to you, my friend, and this saddens me greatly. Regardless, I will forever be thankful to you.


I hope I can do something for you on your final moments. If nothing else, to offer my company. Perhaps if you for instance go for SN we could voice-chat on discord so I may accompany you until you loose consiousness. It is an extremely odd offer it's just... there is nothing more I can do for you, but I wish to repay your kindness somehow.

Regardless, thank you for it. And I am sad I can't light your path in the way you have done for me.

 

[Living sucks]

I'd PM you but.........
I think if you appeal they'd understand.
If i didn't have severe unfixable health issues I would t even be here. I'm beyond devastated

 

[rntmss]

I was found after taking SN (I backed out and didn't think I drank enough, oh boy was I wrong)

30-50 ml of a 100ml cup of 25g mixture was all I needed. Didn't need ae, didn't need to prepare multiple doses. This shit is extremely lethal in even small doses.

I guess there is benefit to over preparing, but a lot of these plans I'm reading just seem like extreme overkill (pardon the pun) from what I know from first hand experience.

 

[Blutsager]

I'd PM you but.........
I think if you appeal they'd understand.
If i didn't have severe unfixable health issues I would t even be here. I'm beyond devastated

I Dm'ed a moderator for appeal, and found out why I was banned in the first place, but hasn't replied to my appeals and hasn't unbanned me. Then I messaged Marquis himself. The man hasn't replied, I totally understand he is probably busy with who knows what. So I don't think I'll ever be unbanned.

Regardless, I appreciate your care. And thank you.

I am sorry to hear of what you are going through my friend. I wish you peace, as I always did.

I was found after taking SN (I backed out and didn't think I drank enough, oh boy was I wrong)

30-50 ml of a 100ml cup of 25g mixture was all I needed. Didn't need ae, didn't need to prepare multiple doses. This shit is extremely lethal in even small doses.

I guess there is benefit to over preparing, but a lot of these plans I'm reading just seem like extreme overkill (pardon the pun) from what I know from first hand experience.

Thank you for your kind words and explanation, my friend.

May I ask you more about it? everything you may tell me about your expierence and steps would help put me at ease.

 

[jgm63]

I assume you meant soup spoon, not soap spoon...
That would probably be about the same as a table spoon.

You may find this table helpful :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-water-amount-lookup-table-v2.32241/

The "blood test" is good advice.

As others have said, you don't need to fast for too long.
8 hours should be enough, or less if you eat a smaller meal.

The antacid should be helpful. Take "double dose of what is recommended on the label" (Stan) 30 mins before taking the SN.

If you don't have time to order antiemetics, then listed below are some over-the-counter options.....
If you can't get any from the first section, then meclizine from the second section is apparently not a bad choice....

But otherwise, some people have taken SN and not used any antiemetic, and still had a fatal outcome, although getting an antiemetic would be better if you can....

Some notes of mine :
Some members have vomited, but still been successful. In the cases where people vomited it doesn't appear they drank any more SN, yet they still appeared to succeed, although the recommendation is to have a couple of extra glasses ready, and to drink more in the event of vomiting. If you vomit very soon after drinking, then drinking more would be considered required.


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Possible over-the-counter antiemetics (will depend on your country)
Anagraine (metoclopramide eg Australia)
Buccastem (eg UK) / Nausetil (eg Australia) (prochlorperazine, note : has higher EPS risk)
Apparently domperidone is available over the counter in Egypt, Ireland, Italy, Japan, South Africa, Switzerland, China, Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Mexico, Thailand, Malta, South Korea, Romania, Philippines. However I haven't verified this.

Other over-the-counter antiemetics
Meclizine ( eg Dramamine Less Drowsy, check meclizine is on label ). This is considered to be a reasonable option if available.
"Dramamine" or "Gravol", or anything that says "dimenhydrinate". Should be widely available.
Metopimazine/Vogalene (eg France)
Diphenhydramine ( eg Benadryl or Nytol, check diphenhydramine is on label )
Peaceful pill handbook states that cannabis is an antiemetic, but if you're not used to taking it then I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

 

[Paull]

Would you recommend stat dose or 48 hr regime with 8 hr diet...if stat what should be the diet time?

 

[jgm63]

Would you recommend stat dose or 48 hr regime with 8 hr diet...if stat what should be the diet time?

The fasting time is the same regardless of whether you are using 48 hour or stat...
In general I would probably just recommend the stat dose.
Some people prefer the mental preparation and structure of the 48 hour regime, but some people find it too "drawn out".
The bottom line is to choose what feels right for you.
Pre-testing of anti-emetic is generally advisable, especially if using metoclopramide or prochlorperazine.

Notes on pre-testing / 48 hour vs stat, etc :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/post-673851

 

[InterstateFlowers]

If you live in the U.S, I recommend Tagamet as an antacid. The PPH (Peaceful Pill Handbook) recommends 800mg but I think that amount isn't OTC (over the counter). However, 200mg is OTC and I plan on taking 4 of those. You can get them at Target. Other antacids are available like Tums Ultra Strength but I don't entirely trust calcium carbonate. I believe I'm just ignorant to assume Tagamet is stronger but oh well.

Sodium nitrite is also REALLY salty. So when you're done chugging it, I recommend one of those lindor chocolate truffles as a reward for not vomiting it out and removing that salty taste on your tongue.