Some practical advice on chemicals

[Tintypographer]

This may need to be wordsmithed and added as a sticky somewhere. I am a PhD chemist with very extensive background in chemistry and medicine having been a professor at a medical school and worked in pharma.

I keep reading posts that scare me and make me feel strong empathy regarding the desperation associated with someone looking for a method that is accessible and could be successful.

Please, for your own sake and bodily safety: Do not treat household chemicals such as cleaners, acids and bases, OTC medicines, and stretches such as overdosing on table salt, sugar, caffeine, or solvents such as gasoline or paint thinner as a method to successfully catch the bus!!!

It is completely true that all of these can be toxic and in some cases have caused death. One reason they are available and not banned or kept under close restriction is that they have a very low likelihood of killing someone by accidental contact or ingestion.

In almost all of the cases, very high doses of these things will cause your GI system to reverse gears and vomit as the body works to protect itself. In the case of caustic chemicals they will tear apart your digestive system but leave you completely alive only in dramatic pain and possibly needing continuous medical attention for the resto do your life (catching the bus included).

Chemicals with low toxicity for human use which include OTC medicines have side effects but almost never is that principal side effect death even at very high doses. They can cause damage to organs and perhaps that can eventually kill you but not without pain, consciousness, hospital treatments, attempts to help you and you very likely wishing you had not ingested that chemical.

I reach out to you in your moment of pain, desperation, fear, and desire to catch the bus and ask you to please not even consider these methods. No amount of discussion will change the cold science that these are not quick deaths and are not toxic enough to kill you with low concentration and many of them at high concentration will simply maim your insides irreversibly. I care about you and empathize with you and feel for you in your pain but these methods are not medically safe or scientifically safe for inducing death.

I am not addressing SN, cyanide, carbon monoxide or the neurotoxins found in certain deadly plants in this discussion and those have their own threads. I am addressing common chemicals, OTC medicines foods and food additives and household cleaners. Again, please do not treat these as ways to catch the bus!

 

[Suez]

This may need to be wordsmithed and added as a sticky somewhere. I am a PhD chemist with very extensive background in chemistry and medicine having been a professor at a medical school and worked in pharma.

I keep reading posts that scare me and make me feel strong empathy regarding the desperation associated with someone looking for a method that is accessible and could be successful.

Please, for your own sake and bodily safety: Do not treat household chemicals such as cleaners, acids and bases, OTC medicines, and stretches such as overdosing on table salt, sugar, caffeine, or solvents such as gasoline or paint thinner as a method to successfully catch the bus!!!

It is completely true that all of these can be toxic and in some cases have caused death. One reason they are available and not banned or kept under close restriction is that they have a very low likelihood of killing someone by accidental contact or ingestion.

In almost all of the cases, very high doses of these things will cause your GI system to reverse gears and vomit as the body works to protect itself. In the case of caustic chemicals they will tear apart your digestive system but leave you completely alive only in dramatic pain and possibly needing continuous medical attention for the resto do your life (catching the bus included).

Chemicals with low toxicity for human use which include OTC medicines have side effects but almost never is that principal side effect death even at very high doses. They can cause damage to organs and perhaps that can eventually kill you but not without pain, consciousness, hospital treatments, attempts to help you and you very likely wishing you had not ingested that chemical.

I reach out to you in your moment of pain, desperation, fear, and desire to catch the bus and ask you to please not even consider these methods. No amount of discussion will change the cold science that these are not quick deaths and are not toxic enough to kill you with low concentration and many of them at high concentration will simply maim your insides irreversibly. I care about you and empathize with you and feel for you in your pain but these methods are not medically safe or scientifically safe for inducing death.

I am not addressing SN, cyanide, carbon monoxide or the neurotoxins found in certain deadly plants in this discussion and those have their own threads. I am addressing common chemicals, OTC medicines foods and food additives and household cleaners. Again, please do not treat these as ways to catch the bus!

I enjoyed reading your post and it was nice to see a fellow PhD (PhD in Pharmacology, Im also an MD) in the forum too, however a note of caution. As soon as you mention your qualifications here, while most people are great, there are the odd one or two that make it their mission to try to discredit you, say that your qualification dont exist etc etc The latest for me was that I was "brain damaged". I even offered this person the opportunity to view my credentials (Through one of the moderators) but of course I didnt receive a reply as I guess once you call their bluff then it makes them look incredibly stupid in front of alot of people. I have one person that continues to follow me and when ever I post anywhere, doesnt matter what it is about or in reference to, they will come along and query my post,in a way that (to intelligent people) actually makes them look incredibly concrete in their thought process and also brain function, but they will continue until i stop posting, despite several people laughing at them too, its quite something. So without a doubt at some stage you will most likely step on their toes. I just keep my head down for the most part and do my own thing. I know what you mean about coming across and reading posts that scare you, I come across them all the time and yes for those people that are so desperate that they turn to household chemicals or everday products its very scary. However if you continue to read some of the posts where people are considering for example SN and variations on this method, people engage in alot of discussion about various aspects of this. In fact it was in relation to this particular method that a couple of members decided to pull my credentials apart or try to make me look stupid. There are alot of people here who believe that because they have read a few things on here about SN or other methods that it makes them experts , not only on the Method but also on that particular chemical, its structure, its biochemistry, its pharmacology, its pharmacokinetics etc etc and when you add to this someone of below average intelligence, incredibly concrete thinker, who uses clip art imaging to help with thought processing and then uses it to extrapolate theories of how particular medications function in specific circumstances. Unfortunately some people are taken in by "technical talk" or "techinical looking information" Im sure you understand what Im talking about. Its very easy to present information in a particular way that may look good to some people but if a knowledgeable reader were to sit down and actually read the information they would see that there was no substance or any real merit to it. I have often come across posts like that, where people have tried to present information about various different chemicals or medications or methods and its really scary how much of it is out there. A few weeks ago, was the first time that i posted to say something in reference to a post where i did not feel that the representation that was being made was correct. I think its very important to make sure that when medical information is being used in posts and in discussions that it is accurate and in many of the posts that I have seen it is not and that is what I take exception to. People that use this site, including myself, we are here because we are in a bad place, some of us worse than others, some of us quite desperate and if medical information is not used correctly, the follow on effects can be devastating. For a suicide website it could be lethal, so thats why I take what I said very seriously, while the very few that took exception to me making a stand instead called me brain damaged, slimy and tried to discredit me.
So thankyou for your post Tintypographer its just what I needed to read this afternoon.

 

[Tintypographer]

I enjoyed reading your post and it was nice to see a fellow PhD (PhD in Pharmacology, Im also an MD) in the forum too, however a note of caution. As soon as you mention your qualifications here, while most people are great, there are the odd one or two that make it their mission to try to discredit you, say that your qualification dont exist etc etc The latest for me was that I was "brain damaged". I even offered this person the opportunity to view my credentials (Through one of the moderators) but of course I didnt receive a reply as I guess once you call their bluff then it makes them look incredibly stupid in front of alot of people. I have one person that continues to follow me and when ever I post anywhere, doesnt matter what it is about or in reference to, they will come along and query my post,in a way that (to intelligent people) actually makes them look incredibly concrete in their thought process and also brain function, but they will continue until i stop posting, despite several people laughing at them too, its quite something. So without a doubt at some stage you will most likely step on their toes. I just keep my head down for the most part and do my own thing. I know what you mean about coming across and reading posts that scare you, I come across them all the time and yes for those people that are so desperate that they turn to household chemicals or everday products its very scary. However if you continue to read some of the posts where people are considering for example SN and variations on this method, people engage in alot of discussion about various aspects of this. In fact it was in relation to this particular method that a couple of members decided to pull my credentials apart or try to make me look stupid. There are alot of people here who believe that because they have read a few things on here about SN or other methods that it makes them experts , not only on the Method but also on that particular chemical, its structure, its biochemistry, its pharmacology, its pharmacokinetics etc etc and when you add to this someone of below average intelligence, incredibly concrete thinker, who uses clip art imaging to help with thought processing and then uses it to extrapolate theories of how particular medications function in specific circumstances. Unfortunately some people are taken in by "technical talk" or "techinical looking information" Im sure you understand what Im talking about. Its very easy to present information in a particular way that may look good to some people but if a knowledgeable reader were to sit down and actually read the information they would see that there was no substance or any real merit to it. I have often come across posts like that, where people have tried to present information about various different chemicals or medications or methods and its really scary how much of it is out there. A few weeks ago, was the first time that i posted to say something in reference to a post where i did not feel that the representation that was being made was correct. I think its very important to make sure that when medical information is being used in posts and in discussions that it is accurate and in many of the posts that I have seen it is not and that is what I take exception to. People that use this site, including myself, we are here because we are in a bad place, some of us worse than others, some of us quite desperate and if medical information is not used correctly, the follow on effects can be devastating. For a suicide website it could be lethal, so thats why I take what I said very seriously, while the very few that took exception to me making a stand instead called me brain damaged, slimy and tried to discredit me.
So thankyou for your post Tintypographer its just what I needed to read this afternoon.

Thank you Suez, I actually covered my name and showed one upset troll person my dissertation in a post and they went off claiming that it was fake. I studied physical chemistry as a grad student then two post docs, one in polymer chemistry and one in biomaterials. I was a prof at a med school in the states in biomedical engineering specifically in drug delivery rates from tissue scaffolds. We worked primarily with vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) in artificial scaffolds for burn tissue. No MD in my history.

But you're right, there are some people who dislike scientists and doctors in the world.

I just feel so bad for someone asking about drinking bleach and then having people guessing or commenting with suggestions. Or some poor person trying to eat a half pound of salt or the one curious about making chlorine gas. I can tell desperation and fear in their posts.

Thank you for reaching out. If you ever want to bounce off any questions or things about chemicals on here let me know. Sometimes I feel like I can help people on here and it makes me feel a bit of joy even though I have my own issues

Good to meet you on here.

 

[K-O]

thank you both for looking out for us x

 

[autumnal]

I enjoyed reading your post and it was nice to see a fellow PhD (PhD in Pharmacology, Im also an MD) in the forum too, however a note of caution. As soon as you mention your qualifications here, while most people are great, there are the odd one or two that make it their mission to try to discredit you, say that your qualification dont exist etc etc The latest for me was that I was "brain damaged". I even offered this person the opportunity to view my credentials (Through one of the moderators) but of course I didnt receive a reply as I guess once you call their bluff then it makes them look incredibly stupid in front of alot of people. I have one person that continues to follow me and when ever I post anywhere, doesnt matter what it is about or in reference to, they will come along and query my post,in a way that (to intelligent people) actually makes them look incredibly concrete in their thought process and also brain function, but they will continue until i stop posting, despite several people laughing at them too, its quite something. So without a doubt at some stage you will most likely step on their toes. I just keep my head down for the most part and do my own thing. I know what you mean about coming across and reading posts that scare you, I come across them all the time and yes for those people that are so desperate that they turn to household chemicals or everday products its very scary. However if you continue to read some of the posts where people are considering for example SN and variations on this method, people engage in alot of discussion about various aspects of this. In fact it was in relation to this particular method that a couple of members decided to pull my credentials apart or try to make me look stupid. There are alot of people here who believe that because they have read a few things on here about SN or other methods that it makes them experts , not only on the Method but also on that particular chemical, its structure, its biochemistry, its pharmacology, its pharmacokinetics etc etc and when you add to this someone of below average intelligence, incredibly concrete thinker, who uses clip art imaging to help with thought processing and then uses it to extrapolate theories of how particular medications function in specific circumstances. Unfortunately some people are taken in by "technical talk" or "techinical looking information" Im sure you understand what Im talking about. Its very easy to present information in a particular way that may look good to some people but if a knowledgeable reader were to sit down and actually read the information they would see that there was no substance or any real merit to it. I have often come across posts like that, where people have tried to present information about various different chemicals or medications or methods and its really scary how much of it is out there. A few weeks ago, was the first time that i posted to say something in reference to a post where i did not feel that the representation that was being made was correct. I think its very important to make sure that when medical information is being used in posts and in discussions that it is accurate and in many of the posts that I have seen it is not and that is what I take exception to. People that use this site, including myself, we are here because we are in a bad place, some of us worse than others, some of us quite desperate and if medical information is not used correctly, the follow on effects can be devastating. For a suicide website it could be lethal, so thats why I take what I said very seriously, while the very few that took exception to me making a stand instead called me brain damaged, slimy and tried to discredit me.
So thankyou for your post Tintypographer its just what I needed to read this afternoon.

Thanks for the mention Suez, including your suggestion that I am 'below average intelligence' (which I would report but it would just close down these lines of discussion) but frankly it seems like you're now a little obsessed with insulting me. I'm going to stand by this assessment of you from another member, in regards to your behaviour in that thread. I wouldn't categorise my responses to you in that thread, nor in this one, as remotely close to following you wherever you post and querying what you say. Both times you demonstrated a total lack of logic and an evasiveness in answering clear and concise questions that to my mind was totally nonsensical. Nothing you have said since, such as in the post above, convinces me otherwise. I'm tempted to add you to my ignore list, but that would unfortunately allow a lot of your vindictive behaviour to go unchallenged or unreported. Perhaps if you focused more on addressing my questions (and those of other members) and less on attacking me as a person, things would be a lot more productive. I hope I have managed to do the same in this response, and kept myself relatively above such personal attacks. Oh, and just for clarity for readers, I'm not the member who accused Suez of faking qualifications or being brain-damaged etc.

@Tintypographer, it's a real godsend to have qualified experts on the forum, and I can assure you that you are at no stage likely to 'step on my toes' (!). Sorry that your excellent thread appears to have been dragged into the imaginary war of a fixated member, and my subsequent defence against them! I have often shared similar warnings about using household and OTC items, but presumably my doing so would somehow raise the ire of Suez as I use pictograms and formatting to highlight key aspects, link to and quote reputable scientific sources, and don't ever claim to be a health care professional.

 

[adios]

This may need to be wordsmithed and added as a sticky somewhere. I am a PhD chemist with very extensive background in chemistry and medicine having been a professor at a medical school and worked in pharma.

I keep reading posts that scare me and make me feel strong empathy regarding the desperation associated with someone looking for a method that is accessible and could be successful.

Please, for your own sake and bodily safety: Do not treat household chemicals such as cleaners, acids and bases, OTC medicines, and stretches such as overdosing on table salt, sugar, caffeine, or solvents such as gasoline or paint thinner as a method to successfully catch the bus!!!

It is completely true that all of these can be toxic and in some cases have caused death. One reason they are available and not banned or kept under close restriction is that they have a very low likelihood of killing someone by accidental contact or ingestion.

In almost all of the cases, very high doses of these things will cause your GI system to reverse gears and vomit as the body works to protect itself. In the case of caustic chemicals they will tear apart your digestive system but leave you completely alive only in dramatic pain and possibly needing continuous medical attention for the resto do your life (catching the bus included).

Chemicals with low toxicity for human use which include OTC medicines have side effects but almost never is that principal side effect death even at very high doses. They can cause damage to organs and perhaps that can eventually kill you but not without pain, consciousness, hospital treatments, attempts to help you and you very likely wishing you had not ingested that chemical.

I reach out to you in your moment of pain, desperation, fear, and desire to catch the bus and ask you to please not even consider these methods. No amount of discussion will change the cold science that these are not quick deaths and are not toxic enough to kill you with low concentration and many of them at high concentration will simply maim your insides irreversibly. I care about you and empathize with you and feel for you in your pain but these methods are not medically safe or scientifically safe for inducing death.

I am not addressing SN, cyanide, carbon monoxide or the neurotoxins found in certain deadly plants in this discussion and those have their own threads. I am addressing common chemicals, OTC medicines foods and food additives and household cleaners. Again, please do not treat these as ways to catch the bus!

Thank you so much for this!!! When I was 16 I stupidly overdosed on Benadryl because it was OTC and all I had, and all it caused was a horrible night of hysteria and hallucinations, bodily discomfort, and a week in a psychiatric hospital after. I wish I had known that it wouldn't work.

 

[Suez]

Thank you Suez, I actually covered my name and showed one upset troll person my dissertation in a post and they went off claiming that it was fake. I studied physical chemistry as a grad student then two post docs, one in polymer chemistry and one in biomaterials. I was a prof at a med school in the states in biomedical engineering specifically in drug delivery rates from tissue scaffolds. We worked primarily with vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) in artificial scaffolds for burn tissue. No MD in my history.

But you're right, there are some people who dislike scientists and doctors in the world.

I just feel so bad for someone asking about drinking bleach and then having people guessing or commenting with suggestions. Or some poor person trying to eat a half pound of salt or the one curious about making chlorine gas. I can tell desperation and fear in their posts.

Thank you for reaching out. If you ever want to bounce off any questions or things about chemicals on here let me know. Sometimes I feel like I can help people on here and it makes me feel a bit of joy even though I have my own issues

Good to meet you on here.

I know what you mean , but you can not tell them that the decisions their making are poor or the information they are touting as "science" is anything but science. It really annoys me tho the people that feed off those that are desperate. They seem to appear from nowhere, insert themselves into a conversation where they quickly take control, tout their expertise, denounce anyone that dares to question them, if the OP doesnt fall in line or show the expected amount of gratitude then they become quite aggressive & derogatory. Several people have contacted me in confidence about them. At the end of the day we are all here, each with our own issues i agree. Like you, If I can help someone through using my medical and scientific expertise then I will, I mean thats what we trained all those years for, not just to create a career for ourselves but to be able to continue to use our skills in a way that could be of benefit not only to ourselves but everyone we are in contact with. Its also something that brings me some joy in my life despite the issues that i have in my life that I must deal with every day.
Thats interesting, so even though you showed your dissertation to someone they still thought it was a fake? It doesnt matter what you do. Ive only had one person question whether i had degrees, but like I said, when I gave them the opportunity to see them i got nothing back. I dont think they were expecting me to do that, so when I called their bluff they backed off rather than be outed as a complete idiot. I dont even bother responding to people that ask stupid questions anymore, once upon a time I did, but it was like hitting your head against a brick wall, no matter how simple you made your sentences, things simply did not make sense to some people. Having said that, my interactions with 99.98% of people on this forum has been amazing. There are some incredible people here with an astounding amount of knowledge. Have you had a good look throughout the forum, at the resources available? OMG what amazing research your involved in. Its such a fascinating field. Ive always thought it would be very cool to use 3D bioprinting. What an incredible piece of equipment, a multitasking platform enabling in situ cell deposition according to the wound pattern. How cool is that. Youve most likely used it havent you? Before you say yes, do know that I would be very jealous. Id love to know more about your research. I find tissue Engineering quite fascinating, I was reading something recently, the vast array of polymers, Biological and Nonbiological polymers emplyed for skin tissue engineering, The various synthetic biodegradable polymers used with collagen for the skin,OMG, hybrids of the synthetic polymers and biological polymer applications in the skin tissue engineering and wound healing , where does it end, such incredible technology.

 

[K-O]

right.. sorry to interrupted you docs but how much oxycodone syrop (10 ml) would it take to end me?
also got lyrica benzos and have access to pharmaceuticals..
thank you and gooday
x

 

[Suez]

I would never recommend an overdose as a reliable method of CTB Im afraid. Too often people end up with life long medical issues when its goes wrong and they survive. Oxycodone syrup I beileve is a 1mg/ml preparation (you said you had 10ml, therefore 10mg in total) which is not going to do anything. Lyric or Pregabalin is for partial onset seizures or neuropathic pain. I dont know what you take, usual doses are between 75mg anywhere up to 450mg a day depending on what they are being taken for ,but as i said earlier, I would really think twice about overdose as a CTB. Its very difficult to get the right combination of medication type and dosage that will be effective to cause death.

 

[K-O]

I would never recommend an overdose as a reliable method of CTB Im afraid. Too often people end up with life long medical issues when its goes wrong and they survive. Oxycodone syrup I beileve is a 1mg/ml preparation (you said you had 10ml, therefore 10mg in total) which is not going to do anything. Lyric or Pregabalin is for partial onset seizures or neuropathic pain. I dont know what you take, usual doses are between 75mg anywhere up to 450mg a day depending on what they are being taken for ,but as i said earlier, I would really think twice about overdose as a CTB. Its very difficult to get the right combination of medication type and dosage that will be effective to cause death.

nah 1 bottle is 10 ml mate! i have endless supply.. but i take it you don't have experience with this.. thank you anyway. ill take my chances.. funny cause the medics that were at mine took one look at my suply and said it could kill 5 people.. never a break..

 

[Suez]

nah 1 bottle is 10 ml mate! i have endless supply.. but i take it you don't have experience with this.. thank you anyway. ill take my chances.. funny cause the medics that were at mine took one look at my suply and said it could kill 5 people.. never a break..

Are you talking about Oxycodone Hydrochloride solution (for intravenous injection) or just syrup (You said syrup earlier which only comes in 1mg/ml) because theres a huge difference between the two. The hydrochloride solution is for injection and that is generally a 10g/ml solution which would mean if you have 10ml of this then that would be equivalent to having 100mg of Oxycodone. Is that what you meant? I take Oxycodone, so I know oxys.

 

[K-O]

Are you talking about Oxycodone Hydrochloride solution (for intravenous injection) or just syrup (You said syrup earlier which only comes in 1mg/ml) because theres a huge difference between the two. The hydrochloride solution is for injection and that is generally a 10g/ml solution which would mean if you have 10ml of this then that would be equivalent to having 100mg of Oxycodone. Is that what you meant? I take Oxycodone, so I know oxys.

Oxycodone, yes!

Are you talking about Oxycodone Hydrochloride solution (for intravenous injection) or just syrup (You said syrup earlier which only comes in 1mg/ml) because theres a huge difference between the two. The hydrochloride solution is for injection and that is generally a 10g/ml solution which would mean if you have 10ml of this then that would be equivalent to having 100mg of Oxycodone. Is that what you meant? I take Oxycodone, so I know oxys.

no we have it in 2ml or 10- called forte.. both syrups

 

[Suez]

Oxycodone, yes!

no we have it in 2ml or 10- called forte.. both syrups

Sorry, Different countries, we dont have forte here, but I see forte does come in 10mg/ml preparations as well.

 

[K-O]

its ok i u

Sorry, Different countries, we dont have forte here, but I see forte does come in 10mg/ml preparations as well.

nah its cool i understand u cant recommend overdosing etc.. its just so f strong! i figure if i drink even one hole its gonna be fatal with pregablin also etc.. its fine if you cant answer for sure. tnx

 

[Yomyom]

@Tintypographer
As a chemist it's possible for you to make nembutal?

 

[Quarky00]

I know what you mean , but you can not tell them that the decisions their making are poor or the information they are touting as "science" is anything but science. It really annoys me tho the people that feed off those that are desperate. They seem to appear from nowhere, insert themselves into a conversation where they quickly take control, tout their expertise, denounce anyone that dares to question them, if the OP doesnt fall in line or show the expected amount of gratitude then they become quite aggressive & derogatory. Several people have contacted me in confidence about them. At the end of the day we are all here, each with our own issues i agree. Like you, If I can help someone through using my medical and scientific expertise then I will, I mean thats what we trained all those years for, not just to create a career for ourselves but to be able to continue to use our skills in a way that could be of benefit not only to ourselves but everyone we are in contact with. Its also something that brings me some joy in my life despite the issues that i have in my life that I must deal with every day.
Thats interesting, so even though you showed your dissertation to someone they still thought it was a fake? It doesnt matter what you do. Ive only had one person question whether i had degrees, but like I said, when I gave them the opportunity to see them i got nothing back. I dont think they were expecting me to do that, so when I called their bluff they backed off rather than be outed as a complete idiot. I dont even bother responding to people that ask stupid questions anymore, once upon a time I did, but it was like hitting your head against a brick wall, no matter how simple you made your sentences, things simply did not make sense to some people.

Unless you see some danger or abuse, social intrigues or resentments perhaps better in the off topic section? You're detailing PM communication in public which is not ideal.. Full freedom of speech here, but I don't see these paragraphs helping members... I know you want to help and shine the light , but it looks like airing of grievances...

If you feel alarmed by disinformation or personal harassment, and that may be the case, go to mods, though you are always welcomed to vent and rant and criticize everyone and everything in the main forum -- I'm not expressing any objection to that. Your contribution and knowledge are great and welcomed. I'm just saying these critiques are getting longer, frequent, and personal (a thread was already locked) -- and we should find a way to resolve matters

Btw I really like the fact that you are helping others , and that this in turn helps you. We have so little.

* Not criticising you , trying to focus. I'm not a mod and not a traffic officer.. my words carry no more weight then yours. Just personal attempt to bring some calmness and focus.

 

[beyond_aquila_rift]

Have to agree with @Quarky00. We welcome you and your knowledge- and I don't need to comment on the rest of the thread. I'm more interested in your knowledge as I'm sure we all are because we are left to fend for ourselves in a non-human-euthanasia society and we are doing the best we can.

Anyway to cut to the chase. I wound really love to hear your input on SN method @Suez @Tintypographer

 

[Sisifo20]

This may need to be wordsmithed and added as a sticky somewhere. I am a PhD chemist with very extensive background in chemistry and medicine having been a professor at a medical school and worked in pharma.

I keep reading posts that scare me and make me feel strong empathy regarding the desperation associated with someone looking for a method that is accessible and could be successful.

Please, for your own sake and bodily safety: Do not treat household chemicals such as cleaners, acids and bases, OTC medicines, and stretches such as overdosing on table salt, sugar, caffeine, or solvents such as gasoline or paint thinner as a method to successfully catch the bus!!!

It is completely true that all of these can be toxic and in some cases have caused death. One reason they are available and not banned or kept under close restriction is that they have a very low likelihood of killing someone by accidental contact or ingestion.

In almost all of the cases, very high doses of these things will cause your GI system to reverse gears and vomit as the body works to protect itself. In the case of caustic chemicals they will tear apart your digestive system but leave you completely alive only in dramatic pain and possibly needing continuous medical attention for the resto do your life (catching the bus included).

Chemicals with low toxicity for human use which include OTC medicines have side effects but almost never is that principal side effect death even at very high doses. They can cause damage to organs and perhaps that can eventually kill you but not without pain, consciousness, hospital treatments, attempts to help you and you very likely wishing you had not ingested that chemical.

I reach out to you in your moment of pain, desperation, fear, and desire to catch the bus and ask you to please not even consider these methods. No amount of discussion will change the cold science that these are not quick deaths and are not toxic enough to kill you with low concentration and many of them at high concentration will simply maim your insides irreversibly. I care about you and empathize with you and feel for you in your pain but these methods are not medically safe or scientifically safe for inducing death.

I am not addressing SN, cyanide, carbon monoxide or the neurotoxins found in certain deadly plants in this discussion and those have their own threads. I am addressing common chemicals, OTC medicines foods and food additives and household cleaners. Again, please do not treat these as ways to catch the bus!

Can you explain to me why the F i didn't die after a took a lot of psiquiatric pills, clonazepam included, and vodka a lot of vodka??? what about trying to desbalance the electrolites in my body, potasium could stop my heart, you know how can i do it?? Like over drink water and go for a run in a day with sun and heat?? You know if this is a way of CTB without pain??? Please answer me please

 

[Tintypographer]

Can you explain to me why the F i didn't die after a took a lot of psiquiatric pills, clonazepam included, and vodka a lot of vodka??? what about trying to desbalance the electrolites in my body, potasium could stop my heart, you know how can i do it?? Like over drink water and go for a run in a day with sun and heat?? You know if this is a way of CTB without pain??? Please answer me please

Hello, you sound like you are very desperate and in a lot of turmoil and pain. I am so very sorry. I can't answer for any specific cases of poinsons or overdoses.
I can say that attempting an overdose of any OTC, prescription medication, alcohol or even recreational drug is a dangerous, unreliable and absolutely not recommended method to catch the bus for anyone. There are cases of death and cases of people surviving, becoming very sick, being hospitalized and having many types of trauma from the attempted overdose. I can guarantee that overdoses of alcohol, recreational drugs, OTC and prescription medications and the ingestion of household chemicals of sufficient quantity will make a human being sick and will trigger the digestive and renal systems to work to get rid of the overdosed molecules.

I do not recommend dehydration as a method either.

There are threads that discuss other ways to catch the bus and what things to consider when taking those routes.

 

[Sisifo20]

Hello, you sound like you are very desperate and in a lot of turmoil and pain. I am so very sorry. I can't answer for any specific cases of poinsons or overdoses.
I can say that attempting an overdose of any OTC, prescription medication, alcohol or even recreational drug is a dangerous, unreliable and absolutely not recommended method to catch the bus for anyone. There are cases of death and cases of people surviving, becoming very sick, being hospitalized and having many types of trauma from the attempted overdose. I can guarantee that overdoses of alcohol, recreational drugs, OTC and prescription medications and the ingestion of household chemicals of sufficient quantity will make a human being sick and will trigger the digestive and renal systems to work to get rid of the overdosed molecules.

I do not recommend dehydration as a method either.

There are threads that discuss other ways to catch the bus and what things to consider when taking those routes.

Where are those threads??? Im new here, i just want to go in peace, i hate that i have to do it without saying goodbye, without donating my organs, just because is illegal, i am not a terminal pacient but i've been suffer FOR YEARS because of mayor depression, i want a dignified death and this fucked up world can't allow me that. But thats how things are and i am not going to be the person that invent euthanasia for depressive or not terminal people, so please tell me about that thread or good metod, i was also thinking about takin some clonazepam and aspire monoxide (CO) that way i wouldn't be able of notice the toxic signs of monoxide because i will be passed out, then i will run out of oxygen and finally will not suffer anymore. What do you think about that one??????

 

[Suez]

Unless you see some danger or abuse, social intrigues or resentments perhaps better in the off topic section? You're detailing PM communication in public which is not ideal.. Full freedom of speech here, but I don't see these paragraphs helping members... I know you want to help and shine the light , but it looks like airing of grievances...

If you feel alarmed by disinformation or personal harassment, and that may be the case, go to mods, though you are always welcomed to vent and rant and criticize everyone and everything in the main forum -- I'm not expressing any objection to that. Your contribution and knowledge are great and welcomed. I'm just saying these critiques are getting longer, frequent, and personal (a thread was already locked) -- and we should find a way to resolve matters

Btw I really like the fact that you are helping others , and that this in turn helps you. We have so little.

* Not criticising you , trying to focus. I'm not a mod and not a traffic officer.. my words carry no more weight then yours. Just personal attempt to bring some calmness and focus.

Thankyou Quarky I appreciate your response.I love Medicine, always have, thats why i feel very strongly about making sure that it is represented and interpreted correctly, perhaps more so in this forum than anywhere else, because of how we choose to use the medical/pharmicological information that we get here. I agree with what you are saying. I think what I found frustrating in this particular situation was that the initial medical statement they made was incorrect and they were just not willing to entertain the idea that it was flawed in anyway despite what repercussions that may have for members of this forum and that has always been my concern. Then when i saw that i could not change their mind i moved on but they seemed to follow me, commenting on posts of mine. I should not have engaged again but I did, out of frustration. However, im resolved that they will continue regardless and thats ok. I will no longer comment or acknowledge their existance. What is important to me and what has always been important to me is to make sure that the information that all of us are seeing is accurate. If I do notice any inconsistencies then of course I will make an effort to remedy them. Its important that we all have access to the most accurate and up to date information where possible. Having a PhD has also been as blessing as this has introduced me to the world or research and scientific process. Every so often ill see a post where someone has said that a particular piece of information must be a fact because it was found in a Scientific Journal. However just saying that something was found in a Scientific Journal means very little. What many people dont know is the bibliometric measures that various Institutions go through in order to evaluate Academic Journals. In Academic circles, Journals are ranked according to their impact and quality, and then each Journal is then give a Quartile ranking, and metrics, usually citation based applied to reflect the relative difficulty for that particular Journal to be published and the prestige associated with it. So finding that information present in one journal that may for instance have an impact factor of 2.5 is very different to finding it in another Journal with an Impact factor of 60.

 

[autumnal]

Sorry @Suez, but once again a snide criticism of yours needs to be addressed. This isn't off-topic, incidentally, because it goes both to your and my credibility as sources of information on this forum, as well as your apparent failure to understand a basic physiological mechanism despite being a medical doctor.

You state above:

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I think what I found frustrating in this particular situation was that the initial medical statement they made was incorrect and they were just not willing to entertain the idea that it was flawed in anyway despite what repercussions that may have for members of this forum and that has always been my concern..​

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I would remind you that my 'initial medical statement' you took such issue with was this:

The vomiting on ingestion of SN comes about due to the instinctive survival reaction from the body to expel poisons as detected in the stomach.​

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There is nothing incorrect or even remotely controversial about that statement, and all of the subsequent discussion on that thread supported this view. It wasn't that I wasn't willing to entertain the idea that my statement could be flawed, it's that you didn't provide any relevant explanation as to why you felt it was flawed. When asked by both myself and other members whether you were somehow denying the existence of this gastric reaction to expel poisons, including one member posting information and diagrams detailing the neuropsychology behind this mechanism, you acted evasively and instead doubled down on your baseless attacks on me, including criticisms of my use of infographics and other superficial matters.

I'm finding it genuinely puzzling to understand how this obsession with criticising me has come about from the seemingly straightfoward and unremarkable initial comment of mine above. To the best of my knowledge, that is literally the first point that you and I have had any contact. While you have chosen to be evasive on this question, and are now claiming you will ignore my posts completely, I really do think it would help clear this whole thing up if you reread that first thread in its entirety and see whether you haven't perhaps initially gotten the wrong end of the stick and then just doubled-down when questioned and run with it constantly since then.

I would remind you that I have at all times been questioning or critical only of your arguments, and have no made any personal ad hominem attacks. You, in contrast, have stated that I am below average intelligence, and have sneaked numerous snide criticisms of me into seemingly unrelated posts.

 

[Tamazi 123]

I think the issue is less about what you say @autumnal and more about how you say it. I've casually observed your weighing in on a lot of posts in an intimidating and authoritarian manner which to the average person is off putting. @Suez is simply pulling you up on this behaviour because she is actually a MD with a PhD in pharmacology which caught you unawares. We are very lucky, and it is very generous of her and others with qualifications to observe posts and ensure we are getting the correct information to keep us safe. As I say I don't think anyone is worried about what you've said, that seriously needs moved on from, it all comes down to how you've been saying things. Please remember people on here have mental health issues and are often at the lowest points in their lives before you go judging and belittling them.

 

[autumnal]

I think the issue is less about what you say @autumnal and more about how you say it. I've casually observed your weighing in on a lot of posts in an intimidating and authoritarian manner which to the average person is off putting. @Suez is simply pulling you up on this behaviour because she is actually a MD with a PhD in pharmacology which caught you unawares. We are very lucky, and it is very generous of her and others with qualifications to observe posts and ensure we are getting the correct information to keep us safe. As I say I don't think anyone is worried about what you've said, that seriously needs moved on from, it all comes down to how you've been saying things. Please remember people on here have mental health issues and are often at the lowest points in their lives before you go judging and belittling them.

Thanks for your feedback.

The irony is that Suez's MD/PhD caught me unawares because she seemed ignorant about something so basic, and then continually evasive when taken to task about it by both myself and other members.

I'm certainly not afraid to appear confident in my opinions, to always be transparent in supplying solid references for facts, and to not suffer foolish or offensive behaviour gladly. I'm also more than willing to admit when I have been wrong on occasion. But that simply hasn't happened in the case of this seemingly unfounded personal vendetta from Suez. Remember, she could easily have taken issue with my delivery without needing to falsely challenge the content itself. Hopefully she will address things and provide some clarity on this. Until such time as she does, I would not say with any degree of confidence that she is to be recommended as an authority on medical matters. Nor can I, obviously, but the difference is that I never claimed to be such.

 

[Quarky00]

@Suez, @autumnal , you are rehashing same issue again , airing grievances , sharing frustration by member , dealing with credentials and validity ... @Tamazi 123 adding your resentment to the stew about belittling and intimidation , another airing of grievances , allegedly speaking for @Suez (although that's not what @Suez wrote).

None was made as friendly advice but only blaming and proving others wrong, while providing little help to members. Take your personal issues elsewhere. @Hasssssuùuu .