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Cheza_mus
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- Jul 1, 2021
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I tried to research but failed to understand
Why do people think Putin is obsessed with restoring the USSR?I don't know the exact cause, there is much more I have to learn, so bear with me if I mess some facts up.
I think it's because of past history and trying to restore the power of the USSR. There also have been some conflicts in the past as well. The Donbas war started in 2014 and is still on going (between Ukraine and Russia). Also led to the annexation to Crimea.
Why do people think Putin is obsessed with restoring the USSR?
You do bring up a good point. I have no idea, it doesn't make much sense to try to make peace with Russia while also pointing nukes at them.why are the us so desperate to keep russia as an enemy if they want peace?
Their languages are very similar (under 5% difference). Russians and many Ukrainians consider themselves Russians.
oh wait, just look at what the us has done the last 20 years themselves.
You do bring up a good point. I have no idea, it doesn't make much sense to try to make peace with Russia while also pointing nukes at them.
I am frankly confused as to what "many Ukrainians consider themselves Russian" is even supposed to mean...in a sense of "many Ukrainians don't think they are ethnically different from Russians" - that definitely wouldn't be true, I personally know multiple people from the self-proclaimed LNR and DNR republic that supposedly want to secede from Ukraine and join Russia and even there people that claim to be Russians for any reason aren't in the majority. On the other hand, when USSR was still a thing, there was this tendency to send Russians to all other USSR republics to, essentially, be the ones in charge there - politicians, military, administration of factories, hospitals, schools etc. were often not locals but Russians sent from their hometown to work eslewhere. And when USSR collapsed, those people had jobs, apartments and families not in Russia, but in other countries, so very many of them didn't go back to their Russian hometowns and instead acquired citizenship of whatever country they were living at at the time. People like this are still living all over the former USSR and there is, indeed, a significant number of people in Ukraine among the older generations that were born and raised in Russia but then acquired Ukrainian citizenship after USSR collapsed and stayed here. Some of them consider themselves Russians, others don't. It was significantly more common for people to say they are Russian and not Ukrainian before the whole conflict started. I am from the Eastern part of Ukraine close to Russia and I would say that there is maybe about 5% of the population that would self-identify as Russians here and another 2-3% that are kind of on the fence and will start telling you their entire life story if you ask them about their nationality instead of answering. Whether or not that is "many" is up to interpretation.To say that many Ukrainians consider themselves Russian is pretty controversial... Is that claim true, @onleana & @Nessie? It's my understanding that some ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian as their first language, but that they don't consider themselves Russians.
People think that because he repeatedly expressed how upset he is that USSR collapsed, including calling it "the biggest geopolitical catastrophy of the recent history". Although I don't think he would really want the USSR to continue existing like it was. He did say that he'll stop if we promise not to enter NATO, but 1) that is weird because, essentially, nobody said we're joining NATO to begin with! We are nowhere close to meeting the conditions and so far no real effort was made to change that. And 2) he also said he has no plans to attack repeatedly before when asked about his troups gathering at the borders, so it's hard to trust him. But yes, it is likely that the real reason for war is his paranoia about NATO being out to get him, although attacking Ukraine to "show it" to NATO is an analogue of kicking your bully's little sister's little dog to get back at them, because you're too afraid to directly confront the bully.Why do people think Putin is obsessed with restoring the USSR?
Putin is fearful of NATOs borders becoming closer and closer to Russia. He said he will stop the attack if ukraine declare a formal veto that they will not enter NATO
I am frankly confused as to what "many Ukrainians consider themselves Russian" is even supposed to mean...
Russians and many Ukrainians consider themselves Russians.
Again? :( I never knew that. My stupid brain still hopes for some peaceful resolution, but I am not sure that could even happen. It is sobering to think that both sides have missiles pointed at each other though. I do thank you for helping me learn more about the situation.Do you think that Russia isn't pointing nukes at Poland & the 3 small Baltic countries (& former Soviet republics) - Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania? If they weren't NATO member states, Russia would invade them again without a second thought.
Just like a spoiled kid, he is really just throwing a temper tantrum to get what he wants.Basically the Russians want a small piece of land back from Ukraine, and that small land from Ukraine is divided between people who suppott Putin and others who support their own land from Ukraine, all of this because of a small piece of land. The Eastern Europeans countries fought so hard for the independence from the USSR. And now Putin wants it back. Like a spoiled little kid. Someone correct me if I'm not totally right.
Again? :( I never knew that.
Look, all i mean is that the West has caused this. Are they expecting Russia to let them expand their powers at their expense? Of course not. US don't care about lives or innocents. Ukraine is just a pawn for both sides, unfortunately. Sorry, but im just sick of seeing people act like nato and the us are on the side of the good. it's more complicated than that. Russia has tried to lessen tensions between itself and the West but the west isn't interested. Yes the loss of life is sad, but the west has had a major part in what is happening right now and could have prevented it. the west are the villains here. This war benefits US in so many ways.So, the Russian Empire should be allowed to do some more horrible things just because the American Empire has done many horrible things? Maybe my country should invade Croatia just because it's weaker & the Venetian Republic ruled its coastline for centuries upon centuries. Let's all go fucking insane.
america is far worse than russia. and if you had nato and us as an enemy coming closer and closer, eventually wanting to put nukes next to your capital, wouldnt you feel threatened? i would if it was russia doing it to us.So, the Russian Empire should be allowed to do some more horrible things just because the American Empire has done many horrible things? Maybe my country should invade Croatia just because it's weaker & the Venetian Republic ruled its coastline for centuries upon centuries. Let's all go fucking insane.
US is responsible for thisfy the invasion. The amount of lives it ruins is something I can't agree with. Civilians that don't deserve to have their livings uprooted just because one (botox) guy decided to invade.
You do have a point that if the other countries weren't in NATO that they would be invaded. If Putin is willing to attack a country just on the basis that that country might join NATO, it's very hard to trust him and bend to his recent demands. To go as far as attacking Ukraine and then him saying that he will stop if Ukraine doesn't join NATO. I don't think he can be reasoned with if he is willing to go that far. I find it very hard to not dislike Putin, throwing away lives just so he can get what he wants. Lives are just a number to him it seems.
Russians and many Ukrainians consider themselves Russians.
All Russian nationalists think that all Ukrainians are Russians, however, just like all the (Orthodox) Serbian chauvinists believe that all (Catholic) Croats & (Muslim) Bosniacs are actually Serbs. Well, they aren't.
Is it okay that you give me some examples? I don't mean for this to come off as being critical of you. I'm just curious.US is responsible for this
Also the ussr has invaded those baltic countries in the past, not russia.
an enemy coming closer and closer, eventually wanting to put nukes next to your capital, wouldnt you feel threatened? i would if it was russia doing it to us.
US is responsible for this
Lol yeah, he repeated a few times at least that he is trying to "denazify" Ukraine. Just bizarre. I lurk far-right forums sometimes and they definitely see the current govt of Ukraine as "Jewish". And keep in mind that they cheer for Putin. So even actual Nazis, that back him, think that's a laughable statement.I think Putin just wants control of Ukraine but the reasons he publicly gives is Ukraine is full of "terrorists", "Nazis", and "drug addicts" and he wants to "rescue the people from Ukraine"
I would love to know what the real deal is with the "Azov neo-nazis".Lol yeah, he repeated a few times at least that he is trying to "denazify" Ukraine. Just bizarre. I lurk far-right forums sometimes and they definitely see the current govt of Ukraine as "Jewish". And keep in mind that they cheer for Putin. So even actual Nazis, that back him, think that's a laughable statement.
Putin's Russia is far right politically for sure, and bizarrely also China in some respects (like gender) or their economic similarities with fascism.
Ah, someone falls into the russian propaganda again.Why do people think Putin is obsessed with restoring the USSR?
Putin is fearful of NATOs borders becoming closer and closer to Russia. He said he will stop the attack if ukraine declare a formal veto that they will not enter NATO. nato was anti-ussr but still moving aggressively toward russia as they are still an enemy, trying to encircle them more. its why he threatened finland and sweden. He feels it would be irresponsible to not act now.
US vetod a russian attempt to join nato and russia has asked to join nato multiple times. why are the us so desperate to keep russia as an enemy if they want peace? if russia joins nato, russia is comfortable and is forced to settle its disputes peacefully with ukraine and about donbas.
oh wait, just look at what the us has done the last 20 years themselves.
100% this. Some people just want to be seen as cool by blaming America for literally every single bad thing that happens in the world.The Baltics were occupied by Russia in the 18th century, silly, & they only enjoyed a brief period of independence between the world wars. And everyone knows what the USSR was in practice - a centralized state run from the Russian capital, not a true federation. Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania were brutally Russified, not USSR-ized. Huge numbers of Estonians, Latvians & Lithuanians were killed or deported & huge numbers of Russians colonized those unfortunate strategically important countries. Yes, colonized. In 1945 Estonians formed 97% of the population of Estonia; in 1991 Russians made up 35% of it.
Btw, ever heard of a little country called Poland? Do you know how many times throughout its history it has been threatened & invaded by your precious Russia?
Poland & the Baltics have Russian nukes pointed at them. How do you think Poles, Estonians, Latvians & Lithuanians feel about that?
The fact that the US is a hypocritical empire doesn't give Russia the right to invade independent countries like Georgia (back in 2008) & Ukraine. I'm not interested in defending America, it has plenty of blood on its hands. You, on the other hand, appear to idealize Russia & even Putin. Who is killing Ukrainian civilians as we speak? This conversation is completely pointless.
blaming America for literally every single bad thing that happens in the world.
You know...I think I finally get why this war started.the west are the villains here. This war benefits US in so many ways.
Lol.Ah, someone falls into the russian propaganda again.
NATO has always been hesitant to put Ukraine under their wing. Ukraine has always wanted to join NATO and they should be able to do so as a FREE COUNTRY. Russia is scared because of that, so they decided to attack Ukraine even though Ukraine has NOT joined NATO only because most NATO members do not want to provoke Russia. Russia is the one acting crazy paranoid, and now they are doing a poorly-planned invasion while losing pathetically.
Being Anti-american is no longer edgy and cool, quit the trend.
Poo-tin is a megalomaniac mass-murderer who believes he has achieved invincibility (the very same mental illness that affected Hitler during WW II) because of his decades of unchallenged totalitarian power and the shameless appeasement by some Western leaders even after he repeatedly committed heinous crimes against humanity.