Method SN with no antiemetics?

[redbull]

Anybody know if this is possible? Will it work or fail?

 

[bornsinner]

Anybody know if this is possible? Will it work or fail?

I'm wondering that as well

 

[Time]

I've seen at least a few posts saying that it's possible. That the antiemetics just help keep SN down. You can probably find the answer in the resources page, SN megathreads, etc.

 

[Ark]

A family of four recently died to SN overdose. It was put on their food as salt. No anti's. There are other similar case reports easily found online. I just wonder why? Anti's can be pretty readily found I thought? And just make it a more sure method.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

I've only been seeing that antiemetics are very suggested due to the body's normal reaction to wanting to purge a poison. That's why something like benzos are also suggested, but the problem with both is......not everyone can get hold of all the materials required, so makes things a bit more difficult. I did see someone recommend taking SN via enema, but not sure if it's reliable as I can't find any resources to verify that it would work. If it does, then that would open a new path for many that are limited on resources and what they can obtain.

 

[helpfulfriendonwout]

The PPH claims that vommiting is unlikely. I was planning on doing it without antemetics until I decided on a different method

 

[EndItQuickly]

The PPH claims that vommiting is unlikely. I was planning on doing it without antemetics until I decided on a different method

May I ask what your preferred method is now?

 

[Ark]

If it it's available I don't understand why not. That's just me though. Dom is like $5 a box online. To me that is very worth the added protection against vomiting. Low chance or no, that is a very minimal investment for what it does. Now, if one can't get it where they live, that's a whole different situation of course.

 

[helpfulfriendonwout]

May I ask what your preferred method is now?

Neck compression using a tourniquet is my current plan. I have one around my neck now, I'm just waiting for the courage to tighten it up and finish things. It's supposed to be a nearly painless and quick method that's very effective. I did some testing earlier and I made a thread about it that you can read if you're interested

Edit: and by interested, I don't mean that I'm recomending any particular method or that you should harm yourself, I just meant if you're curious, since you asked me about my current plan.

If it it's available I don't understand why not. That's just me though. Dom is like $5 a box online. To me that is very worth the added protection against vomiting. Low chance or no, that is a very minimal investment for what it does. Now, if one can't get it where they live, that's a whole different situation of course.

I'm not sure what Dom is, but if it's an OTC anti-emetic, I'm pretty sure it's considered ineffective. Meto is the current PPH recommended anti-emetic

 

[redbull]

@helpfulfriendonwout I believe it's "domperidone"

 

[Ark]

Domperidone. There have been several studies showing it has the same effectiveness as Meto. It is not OTC, actually is as controlled as Meto. But is right now available for 5 bucks a box on the huge online auction site.

 

[Loner]

Anybody know if this is possible? Will it work or fail?

I would say prepare as best as you can if you don't want it to fail. But if you just can't get antiemetics you could try without it but it's not recommended and you might fail. I've heard of intravaginal drug administration if you are a female but I haven't heard people talking much about this. So I don't know if it's even effective. If only there was a way to take SN without antiemetics and stuff like that. It would have been a lot easier.

 

[redbull]

I haven't gotten anything yet but I'm just thinking about what would be the quickest without waiting for so many packages.

 

[Loner]

Yes, but if you are serious about this please do it properly or you could fail, or do not do it. But it's entirely up to you at the end of the day.

 

[Shinbu]

Domperidone. There have been several studies showing it has the same effectiveness as Meto. It is not OTC, actually is as controlled as Meto. But is right now available for 5 bucks a box on the huge online auction site.

Can you share me the link through a PM?.

 

[Ark]

You do not have enough posts to PM yet. But, if you go to the world's largest auction site and search Domperidone, several will pop up for you.

 

[Meant2Die]

The PPH claims that vommiting is unlikely. I was planning on doing it without antemetics until I decided on a different method

Can you point to exactly where this is b/c I see the opposite...


If you wan to take SN without meto thats fine, just know you're increasing you're risk of vomitting. I'm not saying you will for sure, bc no one knows that, but having the AE"s is just an added security that you are more likely able to keep it down which is what's required for a 100% death. Wishing you luck though if you decide to go without it :)

 

[Moonicide]

Anybody know if this is possible? Will it work or fail?

I'd say get it if you can. There are some OTC alternatives like Dramamine / Meclizine. There's been people that have passed without anti-emetics, and there have been people that have puked even when using meto or another anti-emetic. So in the end it really depends on your body.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

I'd say get it if you can. There are some OTC alternatives like Dramamine / Meclizine. There's been people that have passed without anti-emetics, and there have been people that have puked even when using meto or another anti-emetic. So in the end it really depends on your body.

I've even seen some saying that they've gotten something as simple as Zantac and it working for them, but don't hold me to that as I may be smart, but there is much research to be done to truly verify anything.

 

[Roger]

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I've even seen some saying that they've gotten something as simple as Zantac and it working for them, but don't hold me to that as I may be smart, but there is much research to be done to truly verify anything.

Zantac (ranitidine) isn't an anti emetic.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

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Zantac (ranitidine) isn't an anti emetic.

Agreed, was more referring to the anti acid approach. I do agree that, if possible, antiemetics are the way to go, but not everyone may be able to go that route. Myself included. Can't have it, in my country, without a script.

 

[k75]

I suppose it's technically possible, but I wouldn't care to bet on it. If you're going to bother with the method, you should just go ahead and get all the recommended supplies and do it right. I don't understand why people would rather risk failure than do the proven method.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

I suppose it's technically possible, but I wouldn't care to bet on it. If you're going to bother with the method, you should just go ahead and get all the recommended supplies and do it right. I don't understand why people would rather risk failure than do the proven method.

Only issue is, not everyone has all the materials available, depending where they live. So discovering alternatives would be beneficial.

 

[k75]

Only issue is, not everyone has all the materials available, depending where they live. So discovering alternatives would be beneficial.

They are not hard to source most everywhere, and perhaps another method would be better if they are. Even if it's prescription only, it's usually ridiculously easy to get a script for it. I know from experience.

Pretty much all the other alternatives have been picked apart in the multiple SN threads we have around here. It's been condensed to the most reliable protocol, so deviating from that is basically user beware.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

They are not hard to source most everywhere, and perhaps another method would be better if they are. Even if it's prescription only, it's usually ridiculously easy to get a script for it. I know from experience.

Pretty much all the other alternatives have been picked apart in the multiple SN threads we have around here. It's been condensed to the most reliable protocol, so deviating from that is basically user beware.

I agree, but not everyone lives in the same corners of the globe, so certain items are much harder to obtain. Example, here in the US, antiemetics are usually only obtained via prescription, that doesn't make it easy at all, since not everyone can make a claim (especially if they've prior history) and 100% be prescribed what they need/want. Add the fact that many places/businesses are trying to either ban or lay harder rules upon obtaining said materials and it can't be viable for all, despite any singular experience.

 

[k75]

I agree, but not everyone lives in the same corners of the globe, so certain items are much harder to obtain. Example, here in the US, antiemetics are usually only obtained via prescription, that doesn't make it easy at all, since not everyone can make a claim (especially if they've prior history) and 100% be prescribed what they need/want. Add the fact that many places/businesses are trying to either ban or lay harder rules upon obtaining said materials and it can't be viable for all, despite any singular experience.

Yes I'm not arguing that in some places it is difficult. I still think that if you can't get all the stuff maybe you should look at a different method.

I'm in the US, and it was super easy for me to get prescriptions and find sources for everything I needed. All I'm saying is I would not risk it if I didn't have all the things. The consequences of failure are bad. And I believe there's a high chance of failure if you don't have everything.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

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Yes I'm not arguing that in some places it is difficult. I still think that if you can't get all the stuff maybe you should look at a different method.

I'm in the US, and it was super easy for me to get prescriptions for everything I needed. All I'm saying is I would not risk it if I didn't have all the things. The consequences of failure to bad. And I believe there's a high chance of failure if you don't have everything.

I can see nothing wrong with that logic. Apologies if I came across as crass in regards to this.

 

[k75]

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I can see nothing wrong with that logic. Apologies if I came across as crass in regards to this.

It's cool. I think ultimately we're arguing on the same side here.

 

[helpfulfriendonwout]

Can you point to exactly where this is b/c I see the opposite...
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If you wan to take SN without meto thats fine, just know you're increasing you're risk of vomitting. I'm not saying you will for sure, bc no one knows that, but having the AE"s is just an added security that you are more likely able to keep it down which is what's required for a 100% death. Wishing you luck though if you decide to go without it :)

I'm not making the argument that taking the Sodium Nitrite without an anti-emetic is a good idea, I'm just stating the fact that the PPH says vomiting is unlikely. I was going to do it without the anti-emetic because I was desperate to get it done quickly and I didn't think I'd be able to obtain the anti-emetic here. Although I would like to get some now so that I can use SN as a backup. I'm pretty sure my current method is even more painless and less prone to failure, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to be able to get myself to do it. I think psychologically taking some pills and liquid and then falling asleep might be more doable that tightening fabric around my neck until I pass out

 

[k75]

It may say vomiting is unlikely, but actual evidence we've seen around here implies the opposite. Plus, just about every failure we've seen that wasn't due to getting rescued was due to vomiting. Kind of contradicts the handbook. I trust our data more, to be honest.