How do they compare on the peacefulness scale? Pros and cons of each?
SN>crapshoot, if you're lucky you won't feel much and pass out quickly. Or your death could be agonizing end you'd end up calling an ambulance.
N>peaceful in theory. Do your homework !
N>peaceful in theory. Do your homework !
Karl
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- Oct 14, 2018
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people still have this doubt?
People don't have many choices.
N is obviously better for most people but it's expensive. SN is cheaper but it's not as fast and you might call for help. If you call for help you'll probably end up okay.
There's just not enough info on the pain of SN. I've researched dozens of different attempts and it ranges from "male twenty-nine year old admitted due to an hour of transient consciousness combined with cynaosis. After treatment, he admitted to taking fifteen grams of sodium nitrite" to users on this site reporting "I had horrible cramps and felt like puking, and then I did, violently. I was out after three seconds, but my brother realized I was in trouble so he called the paramedics and next thing I remember I was in the ICU." This last statement is paraphrasing from a user on this site. I have the link somewhere, and I can probably find it again.
Maybe I'm unjustly defending SN because it's my personal method, but if that's the case I welcome all negative feedback. Yet of all the studies of SN, you either don't take enough and suffer, take enough and seek help and survive, or take enough and don't seek help and die. It's not a "crapshoot" it's a chemical reaction.
N is obviously better for most people but it's expensive. SN is cheaper but it's not as fast and you might call for help. If you call for help you'll probably end up okay.
There's just not enough info on the pain of SN. I've researched dozens of different attempts and it ranges from "male twenty-nine year old admitted due to an hour of transient consciousness combined with cynaosis. After treatment, he admitted to taking fifteen grams of sodium nitrite" to users on this site reporting "I had horrible cramps and felt like puking, and then I did, violently. I was out after three seconds, but my brother realized I was in trouble so he called the paramedics and next thing I remember I was in the ICU." This last statement is paraphrasing from a user on this site. I have the link somewhere, and I can probably find it again.
Maybe I'm unjustly defending SN because it's my personal method, but if that's the case I welcome all negative feedback. Yet of all the studies of SN, you either don't take enough and suffer, take enough and seek help and survive, or take enough and don't seek help and die. It's not a "crapshoot" it's a chemical reaction.
Or you take enough but skip the anti-emetic :/ I do get kind of worried reading the survived attempts with SN on here because they aren't peaceful at all but they all report doing at least something wrong. So I just hope that if you really do all the steps it's as peaceful as the ppeh suggests
gingerplum
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The concern for me is phisiologically, I don't understand how your body will react. Do you just become peacefully somnolent until you're unconscious, or does the diminishing oxygen carrying capacity of your blood make you cause shortness of breath and gasping? I also was unable to find much more than minimal anecdotal information:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml
Crest33
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- Nov 28, 2018
- 261
N is probably the way to go. If you are able to chug it and forget the taste. But n is expensive and hard to get. These are downsides of n.
Sn is the way to go if you search a cheap effective way and not afraid of some agony. You also need to be in the possession of acid reducers and antimetics. You need to prepare at least for a week. And try not to eat in the last 24 hours. Longer is also good. You cannot rush this method.
Sn is the way to go if you search a cheap effective way and not afraid of some agony. You also need to be in the possession of acid reducers and antimetics. You need to prepare at least for a week. And try not to eat in the last 24 hours. Longer is also good. You cannot rush this method.
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Well, even if you take the anti-emetic that's not a guarantee. There's at least one user who took the anti-emetic who still vomited. Shit I'll organize all my links this weekend and then send them to a mod to get more organized for the megathread, but here's the original link.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-failed-attempt.4919/#post-76640
When I was binge-drinking even water or gatorade would trigger violent vomiting days after I stopped drinking, and I've also thrown up after other events, so there's a physiological and psychological aspect to vomiting that may overcome standard anti-emetics. SN is not ideal, but according to what I've seen, as long as you don't call for help it's reliable.
You'll probably pass out first. When the human body is stressed to a degree where there's oxygen deprivation (high altitudes especially) the brain passes out first. You can find plenty of examples on youtube from amateurs going on fighter planes and making tight maneuvers or people breathing pure helium and passing out. Methomoglobinemia is a little similar to hypoxia where your blood simply can't deliver oxygen, so I imagine you become confused, disoriented, sleepy, and pass out. Your heart may race, but when I looked up autopsy reports of sodium nitrite poisoning, the cause of death was methomoglobinemia instead of cardiac arrest or asphyxiation.
gingerplum
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THANK YOU. I've been struggling to think of something analogous to the oxygen deprivation of Methomoglobinemia, and your example of a depressurized plane is a perfect example. Passengers, the pilot, just unwittingly fall asleep.
Remember Payne Stewart, the golfer? Everyone aboard the plane lost consciousness; no distress call was placed. The plane simply flew until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
This really causes me to completely rethink my stance on this method. People on this forum often blow me away with their smarts.
Remember Payne Stewart, the golfer? Everyone aboard the plane lost consciousness; no distress call was placed. The plane simply flew until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
This really causes me to completely rethink my stance on this method. People on this forum often blow me away with their smarts.
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It's just an unknown. If you take 'enough' you may survive with or without help. And who manages to hold out for a day or so without calling for help ? In the end, waiting will kill you even if it takes a hundred years.
NoOneKnows
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- Sep 12, 2018
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Is it true? Will it kill you in the end if you simply dont call for help?..I plan to take Ambien half an hour before, to fall asleep
There was one user on here. Cant remember or find the thread. But they took it in the morning. Even with somthing to make you sleep this may cause issues.
Might be better to stay awake ling after nirmal sleep time plus a sleep aid, that way your likely to be unconcious faster.
Might be better to stay awake ling after nirmal sleep time plus a sleep aid, that way your likely to be unconcious faster.
I'm not sure if you read that the right way. I was simply stating that in the end, time will kill anyone. Old age or whatever. i think it's possible to survive if one does not call for help. Probably not likely, but on the other hand: who can hold out for a day or so ?
NoOneKnows
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- Sep 12, 2018
- 323
This is why this method makes me question it. Because I want to just do it all once and it works. I think taking a sleeping med will help but what if it doesn't work and I live. Sigh
How many anti antimetics anf how many acid reducers should you take and how long before ?
Crest33
Sheet slinger
- Nov 28, 2018
- 261
We'll that's still a bit unclear.
For the acid reducers. I have 7 pills. They work for 24 hours. So I start 7 days on advance. This might not be a huge dose but should help that little bit without messing my stomach up.
But the peaceful pill handbook has also a small part about the acid reducers. They advice to take 800mg of h2 antagonist 30 minutes prior to the sn. But someone of this forum told me h2 antagonist are old and proton pump inhibitor are much beter and newer. And personally I find 800 mg a lot. I'm not sure of this part in the handbook
For the anti-emetics I have motilium tablets of 10 mg. I'll take 2 tablets one hour prior. This is exactly as in the peaceful pill handbook. I've never red that you should build this up.
I know zilch about SN other than the stories here have eliminated it from my choices, however...:
A good friend of mine taking Ambien by prescription, after taking his dose one night "woke up" as the paramedic shoved a needle into his chest to reduce the tension pneumothorax he had received from wrecking his car. He has no memory of anything after taking the Ambien, but he wrecked his car several miles from his house, so he clearly was not so incapacitated as the Ambien was supposed to make him. (More cheerfully, he also recounts several stories of pretty amazing sexual escapades while on Ambien --but he only knows about them because his partner recounted them the next morning.)
The moral of the story being that you shouldn't rely on Ambien preventing you from doing or feeling something you'd rather not experience, especially when you are simultaneously dramatically altering your body chemistry/metabolism.
There are many, many Ambien horror stories, and several ongoing class action lawsuits against the company that makes it. Some internet searching should turn up more than enough examples to keep you entertained.
Please remember that Ambien is not a sedative, it is a hypnotic, and its effects are highly variable even with the same person. You will not neccessarily become incapacitated, or even asleep.
A good friend of mine taking Ambien by prescription, after taking his dose one night "woke up" as the paramedic shoved a needle into his chest to reduce the tension pneumothorax he had received from wrecking his car. He has no memory of anything after taking the Ambien, but he wrecked his car several miles from his house, so he clearly was not so incapacitated as the Ambien was supposed to make him. (More cheerfully, he also recounts several stories of pretty amazing sexual escapades while on Ambien --but he only knows about them because his partner recounted them the next morning.)
The moral of the story being that you shouldn't rely on Ambien preventing you from doing or feeling something you'd rather not experience, especially when you are simultaneously dramatically altering your body chemistry/metabolism.
There are many, many Ambien horror stories, and several ongoing class action lawsuits against the company that makes it. Some internet searching should turn up more than enough examples to keep you entertained.
I didn't realize you were a medical professional when I replied. I'd take a medical professional's opinion as gospel, and never would have submitted my estimate otherwise. But if you could help any of us by informing us of very effective methods, I think that'd be appreciated. :)
gingerplum
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You, my friend, are very kind. I'm happy to participate, and I love to chime in when I think I have something of added value, but I'm not touting myself as an expert. I have been in the business of keeping people alive, so I often research or defer to others. Sayo in particular strikes me as either a physician or a pharmacist, and an exceptionally bright one, at that. I am a very experienced registered nurse, but even if I were a PhD MD, I would encourage you to be skeptical, question me, and ask for my rationale.
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Strange isnt it @gingerplum. I ride around in an ambulance saving lives where i can sometimes transfers of mental health patients to wards to be sectioned, consoling family members if we go to a death and here i am currently on sick leave researching how to take my own life effectively.
Thank you for this. I thought I was going with sn but n seems so much more reliable and peaceful
gingerplum
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- Nov 5, 2018
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We have masks we wear in public, and even at home. Maybe we try so hard to help others as a compensation for not being able to help ourselves?
I wish "agony" was objective. If its not as bad as some kidney stones I can deal with it
I'm not sure if this is on topic but this is an interesting video that shows what it is like to be in a low oxygen environment. I hope it is relevant to your inquiry and will help assuage any fears you may have. The dude really has no idea that his brain is basically shutting down. Look at his grin!
*Edit: skip to the 4 minute mark if you're impatient like me :)
Crest33
Sheet slinger
- Nov 28, 2018
- 261
I prepare myself for agony. Then it can it only be beter. We have to little accurate info to tell how much pain is involved.
NoOneKnows
Specialist
- Sep 12, 2018
- 323
I know how Ambien works on me, I take it for long time now. What I cant know is how various medication may have effect on speed or reliability of SN method
This is a fantastic video. Would you please post it over on the Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics thread? In particular, I think it shows well how close you can get, but not be showing "convulsions" so much as some tremors.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-basics.8393/
Dumb question but I'm curious, what would happen if you took both? Would they counteract each other in any way?
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