SN tachycardia

[Mr. Whippy]

Hi, i'm new here. I didn't want to make a thread, but i posted about this on the SN megathread and it didn't got much attention. My question is:
How bad is the tachycardia when SN is ingested?

I have a history of health anxiety and heart is a big cause of it. I thought about taking propanolol to decrease the BPM, but i also plan on doing the full regimen and that would be way too much drugs for my body to bear.
I've had panic attacks over my health anxiety and it's just terrible, i don't want my final moments being a full blown panic attack.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I would suggest using the site search for SN successes and failures, there are two threads that have anecdotal accounts.

It seems that it can be mild to moderate, and doesn't last long.

I personally really dislike tachycardia so it's one of the drawbacks of the method for me. I plan on adding propanolol, 20 mg 4 hours before SN, and another 20 mg 2 hours before. From my personal research, I believe sitting up rather than lying down will reduce tachycardia.

 

[Merith]

It isn't terrible. It isn't scary in any stretch. After I took a sip, it started less than a minute after. I also got sweaty and laid on the ground for about 30 minutes. I don't know what was supposed to happen, but I definitely didn't drink enough for any permanent effects or to die, which is obvious. I also don't know if it's possible the antacids could have interfered either.
Either way, the point is, it's just something that happens. Think of it as sitting in a warm room after a light jog.

 

[Mustkeyknow]

It isn't terrible. It isn't scary in any stretch. After I took a sip, it started less than a minute after. I also got sweaty and laid on the ground for about 30 minutes. I don't know what was supposed to happen, but I definitely didn't drink enough for any permanent effects or to die, which is obvious. I also don't know if it's possible the antacids could have interfered either.
Either way, the point is, it's just something that happens. Think of it as sitting in a warm room after a light jog.

How much did you took if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Quarky00]

It's very personal .

For few members it was scary and made them abort ctb , while many others didn't mind . According to testimonies it bothered people less than taste . People were prepared . Other than beta-blockers using anxiolytics and being mentally prepared ("just physical symptom") help .

 

[xBrialesana]

It isn't terrible. It isn't scary in any stretch. After I took a sip, it started less than a minute after. I also got sweaty and laid on the ground for about 30 minutes. I don't know what was supposed to happen, but I definitely didn't drink enough for any permanent effects or to die, which is obvious. I also don't know if it's possible the antacids could have interfered either.
Either way, the point is, it's just something that happens. Think of it as sitting in a warm room after a light jog.

Wow how much did you drink?
I'm glad you didn't go through too many effects

 

[Merith]

How much did you took if you don't mind me asking?

I don't know. A sip - less than 5 milliliters. it wasn't planned out and it was the super bowl and another shitty day at work, but I stopped myself from guilt. I did totally get those effects, but then again I'm unsure if the antacid ""overdose"" could play a part at all.

 

[Mr. Whippy]

I would suggest using the site search for SN successes and failures, there are two threads that have anecdotal accounts.

It seems that it can be mild to moderate, and doesn't last long.

I personally really dislike tachycardia so it's one of the drawbacks of the method for me. I plan on adding propanolol, 20 mg 4 hours before SN, and another 20 mg 2 hours before. From my personal research, I believe sitting up rather than lying down will reduce tachycardia.

Thanks for the guidance. I don't know if such dosage will do much, but maybe i can try it. In my country propanolol is not 'prescription only' and it's really cheap. I don't want to lower my blood pressure too much, i need to do some climbing to reach the area where i am going to CTB.

It isn't terrible. It isn't scary in any stretch. After I took a sip, it started less than a minute after. I also got sweaty and laid on the ground for about 30 minutes. I don't know what was supposed to happen, but I definitely didn't drink enough for any permanent effects or to die, which is obvious. I also don't know if it's possible the antacids could have interfered either.
Either way, the point is, it's just something that happens. Think of it as sitting in a warm room after a light jog.

That doesn't sound so bad, but health anxiety is a bitch, it can make you go crazy for the smallest things. Kinda ironic to have such self-preservation when you are suicidal.
I'm also thinking about micro-dosing SN, but i don't want to open it unnecessarily.

For few members it was scary and made them abort ctb , while many others didn't mind . According to testimonies it bothered people less than taste . People were prepared . Other than beta-blockers using anxiolytics and being mentally prepared ("just physical symptom") help .

Unfortunately, i have no access to anxiolytics. I will be consuming cannabis as a way to numb myself (it also helps with vomit and seizures), it can possibly induce more anxiety since i don't smoke regularly, but i don't know, maybe i will try using more to get used to it.

 

[Merith]

That doesn't sound so bad, but health anxiety is a bitch, it can make you go crazy for the smallest things. Kinda ironic to have such self-preservation when you are suicidal.
I'm also thinking about micro-dosing SN, but i don't want to open it unnecessarily.

I'm not going to make this thread about me, but I get immense guilt when I think about my mom, and that's the only thing which stopped me.

 

[Quarky00]

I will be consuming cannabis

Please do more research .

Weed / Marijuana / MDMA

DON'T. Search threads. Weed not strong antiemetic Psychoactive effects while ctb – hazardous Intensify feeling – panic & survival instinct Freak out , unpredictable Combining 2 extreme experiences in one Example , example , example , and plenty more

 

[FITALL]

People were prepared .

When I was young, I suffered from frequent bouts of Tachycardia. I eventually had to have corrective surgery (ablation) to burn/freeze (can't remember which) the tissue causing the electrical shorts. The first few times it happened, it scared the crap out of me. In the last episode (prompting the surgery) my heart was beating 345 beats per minute. My heart doc said he passed my chart around the office. They had never seen anyone's heart beat that fast (for that long) and the person still be alive. That day, I drove myself to the hospital, called no one and only went because it had continued for nearly an hour. It really wasn't even bothering me with the exception of it being an annoyance.

So, the point above is a great one. If you prepare for it...expect it...it probably won't be as bad....

 

[Quarky00]

I'm also thinking about micro-dosing SN

Is SN fatal, even in small dosages?

YES. DO NOT TRY OR TASTE IT.

Read posts . You can do SN with nothing at all -- and it will work . I wouldn't play with it , add psychedelics to anxiety SI , play with self-harm , etc .

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm also thinking about micro-dosing SN, but i don't want to open it unnecessarily.

Not a good thing to microdose with. It's basically a poison.

May want to do some searching on this site, others have tried little bits and suffered, while one dude was dosing a gram a day, but I think he's an outlier.

 

[autumnal]

I would suggest using the site search for SN successes and failures, there are two threads that have anecdotal accounts.

It seems that it can be mild to moderate, and doesn't last long.

I personally really dislike tachycardia so it's one of the drawbacks of the method for me. I plan on adding propanolol, 20 mg 4 hours before SN, and another 20 mg 2 hours before. From my personal research, I believe sitting up rather than lying down will reduce tachycardia.

Is that dosage of Propanolol one you've seen recommended somewhere, or from personal experience being prescribed it? A FAQ post mentions a massive range between 20-100mg, so I'm interested to know how you came to a more precise figure.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Is that dosage of Propanolol one you've seen recommended somewhere, or from personal experience being prescribed it? A FAQ post mentions a massive range between 20-100mg, so I'm interested to know how you came to a more precise figure.

Here you go:

Propranolol decreases tachycardia and improves symptoms in the Postural Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS): Less is More

Postural Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) induces disabling chronic orthostatic intolerance with an excessive increase in heart rate (HR) upon standing. Beta-blockade is an appealing treatment approach, but there are conflicting preliminary reports. We tested ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@GrizzlyGrapefruit gave me this resource. I wanted to take propanolol to reduce or prevent tachycardia as I really dislike it and it's one of the most common SN symptoms. But I haven't seen anywhere on SS when it's best to take propanolol in the method, only that it can be added. (This is not the same as taking a high dose of propanolol at the time of SN ingestion for potentiation as suggested by Nitschke.)

@GrizzlyGrapefruit commented it takes 1-4 hours for propanolol to reach its potential, and that a lower rather than higher dose is recommended, as per this study, for supine tachycardia. So I'm adding it to my method, 20 mg at the start of my 4-hour fast, 20 mg two hours in.

 

[Lorntroubles]

I'm guessing since it's your body on overload, it will feel similar to how it feels like to wake up from a nightmare.

 

[Mr. Whippy]

I'm not going to make this thread about me, but I get immense guilt when I think about my mom, and that's the only thing which stopped me.

I live with my family and have a very superficial relationship with them, i'm a antinatalist so i hate them from bringing me into this hell and also giving me genetic mental diseases. I don't really care about my parents, but i will do them the favor of catching the bus outside of my house.

Please do more research .

Weed / Marijuana / MDMA DON'T. Search threads.

• Weed not strong antiemetic
• Psychoactive effects while ctb – hazardous
  • Intensify feeling – panic & survival instinct
  • Freak out , unpredictable
  • Combining 2 extreme experiences in one
• Example , example , example , and plenty more

I don't plan on only using weed as antiemetic, i have meto with me. The panic can be trained with regular use and having a comfortable place to CTB. The problem is that i don't really see myself dying sober. I spent my whole life suffering as a sober person and i don't want to die thinking about death. I want to be in another planet while i'm doing it, watching the skies, listening to some good music. That sounds way more peaceful than being sober, waiting anxiously and hoping to lose consciousness soon.

I wouldn't play with it , add psychedelics to anxiety SI , play with self-harm

I have no access to psychedelics. I wouldn't say that they are "anxiety free", since you can get a bad trip. Maybe micro-dosing will not induce anxiety, but it's not that really different form being sober.

May want to do some searching on this site, others have tried little bits and suffered, while one dude was dosing a gram a day, but I think he's an outlier.

It's better not to risk it, thanks.

 

[Quarky00]

I have no access to psychedelics. I wouldn't say that they are "anxiety free", since you can get a bad trip. Maybe micro-dosing will not induce anxiety, but it's not that really different form being sober.

Weed = psychodelics . I know it isnt considered as such because 'psychedlic' is often associated with hallucinations. I personally agree and prefer that distinction but that's the scientific term.. "changes consciousness and perception profoundly", yada yada ;)

I don't plan on only using weed as antiemetic, i have meto with me. The panic can be trained with regular use and having a comfortable place to CTB. The problem is that i don't really see myself dying sober. I spent my whole life suffering as a sober person and i don't want to die thinking about death. I want to be in another planet while i'm doing it, watching the skies, listening to some good music. That sounds way more peaceful than being sober, waiting anxiously and hoping to lose consciousness soon.

I'm glad to hear you are being thorough, and I just love your idea of watching the skies and listening to music - perfect

However keep in mind you will be under severe physical and mental stress that you haven't experienced before. People who took SN could barely walk . Dizzy and disoriented and can barely type... And it's not just weed panic -- Survival Instinct is strong. Imagine yourself standing at the edge of huge cliff looking down. Though SN involves sitting calmly at home it feels the same. Many people very experienced with weed are still hesitant taking it with SN ...

I'm not saying "don't do this" or trying to dissuade you, just be prepared

 

[Mr. Whippy]

However keep in mind you will be under severe physical and mental stress that you haven't experienced before. People who took SN could barely walk . Dizzy and disoriented and can barely type... And it's not just weed panic -- Survival Instinct is strong. Imagine yourself standing at the edge of huge cliff looking down. Though SN involves sitting calmly at home it feels the same. Many people very experienced with weed are still hesitant taking it with SN ...

I'm not saying "don't do this" or trying to dissuade you, just be prepared

Yeah, i guess it can't get better than that, but i will prepare a lot and do my best to reduce the suffering and SI. I will make more discussion threads like this. Thank you and all the others for the support.

 

[Crushed_Innocence]

It was because of the increased heart rate that I opted out of this method...Im prone to anxiety & didnt want to die having my last moments feeling panic....