SN Capsules.

[Roger]

People have mentioned making SN filled capsules, and I think it's something worth exploring.

Presumably the point is to avoid the unpleasantness of downing a very salty drink ?

Does that mean that the vomit reflex is suppressed partially or wholly if SN is ingested via capsules ? I mean, is the gagging reflex prompted by the taste buds, or by something in the stomach ?

How long do normal capsules take to dissolve, releasing the SN into the digestive tract ? This seems important, as the timing of taking antiemetic and antacids followed by the SN dose appears crucial.

If the gelatin capsules are dissolved by acidity in the stomach, I wonder whether the effect of antacids (ranitidine in my case) would slow down the dissolution of the capsules.

SN appears to consist of quite large crystals. This isn't a problem when it is taken in solution as it dissolves readily, but when packed into capsules it will not be anywhere near as dense as the fine powders one normally sees in capsules. The upshot is - presumably - that an awful lot of capsules would need to be made and taken. I don't think that you can say that a given size capsule holds a given weight of filling.

I see that there are inexpensive capsule filling "machines" on the market for small scale use (between 30 and 100 capsules at a time.) These should ensure reasonable weight/volume consistency per capsule, as opposed to hand filling. I envisage weighing out the required SN dose (I'm looking at 25 gm) and pouring this into the feed tray of the machine.

I would still take antiemetics and antacids as per normal - capsules would be a further enhancement.

Anyway, it's a new idea for me, and I have no knowledge - I'm just hoping to stimulate some productive discussion.

 

[Letmego. Please]

The only thing that springs to mind straight off is would the capsules dissolve evenly i.e you don't want a third of the dose at one point & the rest gradually dissolving at a random point.

In theory less stomach acid will slow down the break up of the capsules, so yeah that may well be a problem.
I will carry on having a think.....

 

[Ln42]

I am really interested to know if there are any drawbacks of using capsules as I think I'd be able to swallow them better than the drink.
I did see 1 person on here say they used capsules and have since not been seen but I have no verification if it worked.

I will try and do some research but I'm really interested to hear peoples thoughts!

 

[Aleksandra]

very doable if you're not prone to vomiting. i think someone else did it and they started seeing effects within 20 minutes!

 

[Subhuman]

I have all these questions myself but I think we can't know for sure until more people try it and report back. Funky stayed conscious for about an hour instead of 12min, so we can presume that capsules do slow down the process.

One thing that I can say for sure is that the material the capsules are made of makes a difference. Stomach acid isn't the only thing that causes them to dissolve either, some are water-soluble. I've been taking supplements for a long time so I know a bit about this topic from experience. I wanted to look up some of the finer details but the whole thing is more complicated than I expected, so I'll just leave the most comprehensive link I found for everybody to peruse and form your own opinions:

Google Answers: Gelatin/Vegetable capusles time to breakdown

answers.google.com

 

[Dystopia]

I just tested a 00 capsule in cold water and it was about 50% dissolved after 20 minutes. I held one against the roof of my mouth and it dissolved in about a minute.

I think using cimetidine/ranitidine may slow the absorption a bit but should still be used as once the gel capsule dissolved the SN inside will still be absorbed faster.

It seems like it may be a good idea to swallow the capsules with warm/hot water to break the capsules down quicker.

The timings should still be Meto 1 hour before and Ranitidine 50 minutes before as far as I know.

 

[Subhuman]

I just tested a 00 capsule in cold water and it was about 50% dissolved after 20 minutes. I held one against the roof of my mouth and it dissolved in about a minute.

Was it a gelatin capsule?

 

[Dystopia]

Was it a gelatin capsule?

Yeah

 

[Roger]

How does the speed of dissolution vary between the gelatin capsules compared to the vegetarian/vegan variety ?

 

[Subhuman]

How does the speed of dissolution vary between the gelatin capsules compared to the vegetarian/vegan variety ?

I have the cellulose ones. I will try the same experiment Dystopia did and report back. If no one beats me to it I'll post about it tomorrow

 

[Dystopia]

How does the speed of dissolution vary between the gelatin capsules compared to the vegetarian/vegan variety ?

Shouldn't make any difference. If you have those; just do a similar test to what I did. Most sites say gelatin or vegan (cellulose) capsules dissolve in 15-20 minutes

 

[Sunset Limited]

Does SN digestion occur in the stomach or intestine?

 

[Dystopia]

Does SN digestion occur in the stomach or intestine?

Both, stomach first. The small intestine does the majority; the stomach breaks it down

 

[Sunset Limited]

Both, stomach first. The small intestine does the majority; the stomach breaks it down

So can we do it by anal injection?

 

[Dystopia]

So can we do it by anal injection?

There's been talks of doing it by enema. It should work, it depends if your anal cavity can actually absorb 15-20g. You bypass the first pass metabolism this way and it gets into your bloodstream quicker.

Shouldn't need anti emetics or acid reducers this way either but there's been no reports about it, just discussion here for example:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-enema.20704/

 

[Subhuman]

As promised, here are my results with 000 cellulose capsules:

- They dissolved in around a minute when I held them against the roof of my mouth with my tongue
- The one I put in a glass of water floated to the top after a few minutes. At 20 minutes I got worried that the fact that it wasn't fully submerged (as it would be in the stomach) would affect the results, so I tried to push it down with a spoon. As soon as I touched it it popped.

The only ingredients in the capsules I bough are: HPMC (Sourced from non GMO pine tree pulp) and water. HPMC is just cellulose.

So I think unless you buy specialty capsules with some kind of coating that prevents them from being dissolved in the stomach, the results will be similar to what Dystopia and I found. It might be worth testing your capsules with Dystopia's method if you're curious as to how your caps will perform. Or until we learn more about ingesting SN in capsules instead of dissolving it in water.

 

[Roger]

Thanks

 

[Dystopia]

I don't think we should be worried about capsules dissolving in cold water. I didn't actually realise until I looked it up but the stomach moves food around vigorously to break it up, not just the acid and enzymes.

This should mean cold water won't be much of a problem with capsules either but hot water still seems like a better option to reduce time to unconsciousness

Thanks for confirming similar results @Subhuman I was thinking the same about it not being fully submerged

 

[Subhuman]

I didn't actually realise until I looked it up but the stomach moves food around vigorously to break it up, not just the acid and enzymes.

Yep, that's why I stopped the experiment at 20 minutes, I figured if the gentlest poke with a spoon made it pop it wouldn't even last that long in the stomach.

I think you're definitely right about the temperature of the water too. Everyone ctb'ing at home should definitely warm up their water slightly, or if you're going out you might like to bring warm water in a thermal cup or something.

 

[b12ruinedme]

Where do you guys order the SN (shipping to europe?)

 

[Pony]

Where do you guys order the SN (shipping to europe?)

I just ordered mine on ebay, not sure on how reliable it is

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

As promised, here are my results with 000 cellulose capsules:

- They dissolved in around a minute when I held them against the roof of my mouth with my tongue
- The one I put in a glass of water floated to the top after a few minutes. At 20 minutes I got worried that the fact that it wasn't fully submerged (as it would be in the stomach) would affect the results, so I tried to push it down with a spoon. As soon as I touched it it popped.

The only ingredients in the capsules I bough are: HPMC (Sourced from non GMO pine tree pulp) and water. HPMC is just cellulose.

So I think unless you buy specialty capsules with some kind of coating that prevents them from being dissolved in the stomach, the results will be similar to what Dystopia and I found. It might be worth testing your capsules with Dystopia's method if you're curious as to how your caps will perform. Or until we learn more about ingesting SN in capsules instead of dissolving it in water.

How much water should be used? 100ml is for mixing sn i water would it be the same for capsules?

 

[Trainwreck]

I've drank enough colonoscopy preps in my lifetime (a gallon of salty water) that I don't think I'll have a problem with 100 ML of liquid. However, I don't think it's the taste than necessarily makes people vomit, but the body's survival instinct of knowing it's being poisoned. I'm really conflicted on capsule vs. liquid though. The longer time it takes for the capsules to break down is just more time to freak out, but if it keeps you from vomiting, that's a really big plus.

 

[Subhuman]

How much water should be used? 100ml is for mixing sn i water would it be the same for capsules?

I don't know. Based on a recent attempt by a member who used capsules it seems like it takes a lot more than 100ml to get them all down

I've drank enough colonoscopy preps in my lifetime (a gallon of salty water) that I don't think I'll have a problem with 100 ML of liquid. However, I don't think it's the taste than necessarily makes people vomit, but the body's survival instinct of knowing it's being poisoned. I'm really conflicted on capsule vs. liquid though. The longer time it takes for the capsules to break down is just more time to freak out, but if it keeps you from vomiting, that's a really big plus.

It depends on what you fear more, throwing up or living with the notion that you're about to die. For me it's easy, I hate throwing up more than anything, even pain, and I sort of look forward to knowing it's finally about to be over so I don't mind prolonging that time period.

 

[Trainwreck]

I don't know. Based on a recent attempt by a member who used capsules it seems like it takes a lot more than 100ml to get them all down

It depends on what you fear more, throwing up or living with the notion that you're about to die. For me it's easy, I hate throwing up more than anything, even pain, and I sort of look forward to knowing it's finally about to be over so I don't mind prolonging that time period.

Believe me, I HATE throwing up. I'm just worried that capsules might take too long to dissolve, or dissolve inconsistently.

 

[Hurry]

I've drank enough colonoscopy preps in my lifetime (a gallon of salty water) that I don't think I'll have a problem with 100 ML of liquid. However, I don't think it's the taste than necessarily makes people vomit, but the body's survival instinct of knowing it's being poisoned. I'm really conflicted on capsule vs. liquid though. The longer time it takes for the capsules to break down is just more time to freak out, but if it keeps you from vomiting, that's a really big plus.

What do you think is the safest method for CTB, capsules or diluted in 100ml of water?
(I am not afraid of pains)

 

[Trainwreck]

What do you think is the safest method for CTB, capsules or diluted in 100ml of water?
(I am not afraid of pains)

I wish I knew!

So if I'm understanding correctly, if I go the capsule route, I want to order 000 gelatin capsules?

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

Believe me, I HATE throwing up. I'm just worried that capsules might take too long to dissolve, or dissolve inconsistently.

Yeah i vomited 20 plus times with it mixed in water. Its horrible

 

[Trainwreck]

Well, maybe I better go with capsules. Hopefully I can prepare them without too much trouble. If I take some clonazapam, maybe I'll get lucky and fall asleep before any negative feelings (headache and whatever) hit me.

 

[Blackjack]

People have mentioned making SN filled capsules, and I think it's something worth exploring.

Presumably the point is to avoid the unpleasantness of downing a very salty drink ?

Does that mean that the vomit reflex is suppressed partially or wholly if SN is ingested via capsules ? I mean, is the gagging reflex prompted by the taste buds, or by something in the stomach ?

How long do normal capsules take to dissolve, releasing the SN into the digestive tract ? This seems important, as the timing of taking antiemetic and antacids followed by the SN dose appears crucial.

If the gelatin capsules are dissolved by acidity in the stomach, I wonder whether the effect of antacids (ranitidine in my case) would slow down the dissolution of the capsules.

SN appears to consist of quite large crystals. This isn't a problem when it is taken in solution as it dissolves readily, but when packed into capsules it will not be anywhere near as dense as the fine powders one normally sees in capsules. The upshot is - presumably - that an awful lot of capsules would need to be made and taken. I don't think that you can say that a given size capsule holds a given weight of filling.

I see that there are inexpensive capsule filling "machines" on the market for small scale use (between 30 and 100 capsules at a time.) These should ensure reasonable weight/volume consistency per capsule, as opposed to hand filling. I envisage weighing out the required SN dose (I'm looking at 25 gm) and pouring this into the feed tray of the machine.

I would still take antiemetics and antacids as per normal - capsules would be a further enhancement.

Anyway, it's a new idea for me, and I have no knowledge - I'm just hoping to stimulate some productive discussion.

Someone here very recently put SN in capsules but was not successful in their attempt (for unknown reasons). @Stan I believe you know who this young lady is? Might be worth reaching out to her to ask?