SN and impact on wildlife

[*KNAZ*]

I chose SN as my ticket. But I'm planning to CTB in deep wilderness. I like the idea of my body returning to nature and being scattered by wildlife rather than getting caught up in the forensic funereal complex. Very little if any remains to be found. But I was concerned about possible harm from having SN in my system on any foraging wildlife. Im guessing that SN does its job by being metabolized and creating methhemoglobimemia, which would not have any poisonous effects on wildlife. Just wanted to make sure I don't inadvertently bring any harm on innocent creatures.

 

[Rachel74]

Maybe if an animal eat you but I honestly don't know. Very good question.

 

[Itsalmosttime]

I chose SN as my ticket. But I'm planning to CTB in deep wilderness. I like the idea of my body returning to nature and being scattered by wildlife rather than getting caught up in the forensic funereal complex. Very little if any remains to be found. But I was concerned about possible harm from having SN in my system on any foraging wildlife. Im guessing that SN does its job by being metabolized and creating methhemoglobimemia, which would not have any poisonous effects on wildlife. Just wanted to make sure I don't inadvertently bring any harm on innocent creatures.

Seems like the pigs killed with SN don't pose a risk:

Features of HOGGONE®:

• Fast acting: Feral pigs succumb within 1-3 hours of bait ingestion.
• Carcasses near bait sites: Affected pigs die within 1-3 hrs and are typically found within 200m of the bait deployment point and show no signs of distress.
• No environmental residues: Sodium Nitrite reacts very quickly and breaks down even after the feral pig has died. Once it is wet, HOGGONE® degrades totally in the environment.
• Low carcass residues: it poses no risk to non-target scavenging animals.

 

[*KNAZ*]

Seems like the pigs killed with SN don't pose a risk:

Features of HOGGONE®:

• Fast acting: Feral pigs succumb within 1-3 hours of bait ingestion.
• Carcasses near bait sites: Affected pigs die within 1-3 hrs and are typically found within 200m of the bait deployment point and show no signs of distress.
• No environmental residues: Sodium Nitrite reacts very quickly and breaks down even after the feral pig has died. Once it is wet, HOGGONE® degrades totally in the environment.
• Low carcass residues: it poses no risk to non-target scavenging animals.

Thank you!

 

[MeltingHeart]

I chose SN as my ticket. But I'm planning to CTB in deep wilderness. I like the idea of my body returning to nature and being scattered by wildlife rather than getting caught up in the forensic funereal complex. Very little if any remains to be found. But I was concerned about possible harm from having SN in my system on any foraging wildlife. Im guessing that SN does its job by being metabolized and creating methhemoglobimemia, which would not have any poisonous effects on wildlife. Just wanted to make sure I don't inadvertently bring any harm on innocent creatures.

oh bless you.

 

[Stan]

Nitrites exist naturally in water and plants both in the wild and cultivated areas.

 

[Science Is Scary]

Great idea to look at the wild pig bait poisoned with sodium nitrite, @Itsalmosttime!

My conclusion from animal studies is that the overall risk of an animal dying from eating a carcass with sodium nitrite poisoning is probably low. The risk may be higher for animals that eat vomit, the stomach or the digestive tract.

"Sodium nitrite has a low probability of bioaccumulation ... hence secondary poisoning risk would be low."[1] "Pharmacokinetic analyses in different animals and humans have shown that unlike some common rodenticides (e.g. brodifacoum) sodium nitrite is unlikely to cause secondary poisoning due to bioaccumulation."[7]

"My results indicated the mean concentrations of residual SN in vomitus are still potentially harmful to secondary consumers." "Until evidence suggests specific non-target species are at risk, I do not believe that the probability of discovery and consumption of vomit by a non-target species is an area of immediate concern based on the mean attempts of vomit produced, low residual persistence in the environment, and lack of evidence of non-target vomit consumption."[2]

"We found no evidence that captive coyotes experienced SN intoxication from consuming on [pig] carcasses that had been freshly poisoned with SN...".[3]

"We identified no risk of secondary poisoning for non-target scavengers that consume muscle, eyes, and livers of invasive wild pig carcasses because residual SN from the toxic bait was not detected in those tissues. The risk of secondary poisoning from consuming vomitus appeared low because ∼90% of the SN was metabolized or broken down prior to vomiting, and continued to degrade after being exposed to the environment. Secondary poisoning could occur for common scavengers that consume approximately ≥15% of their daily dietary requirements of digestive tract tissues or undigested bait from carcasses of invasive wild pigs in a rapid, single-feeding event."[4]

"For 6 consecutive days, the treatment groups of dogs, cats and chickens were fed entire or partial carcasses from possums lethally poisoned with paste bait containing encapsulated NaNO2. ... None of the dogs, cats or chickens displayed any obvious physiological signs of poisoning or symptoms of methaemoglobinaemia. ... No changes in histology relating to NaNO2 intoxication were observed in dogs or cats after being fed carcasses, minced meat, vital organs or stomachs of possums poisoned with NaNO2."[5]

"In summary, only scavengers that consume [poisoned feral pig] stomach contents, such as canids and vultures, may be at risk and this should be directly tested in pen and field trials."[6]


If hypothetically someone were to do this, hopefully they wouldn't be lost in the woods on a incomplete suicide attempt.

I did way too much research on this unusual, niche topic.

References

[1] L. McLeod and G. Saunders, "Pesticides used in the management of Vertebrate Pests in Australia: A Review." NSW Department of Primary Industries. https://www.cwba.org.au/wp-content/...nagement-of-Vertebrate-Pests-in-Australia.pdf
[2] G. S. Lawrence, "Evaluation of pH Dependent Prototype Feral Pig Toxicants - ProQuest," May-2017. [Online]. Available: https://search.proquest.com/openvie...4fba7/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y. [Accessed: 28-Oct-2019].
[3] N. P. Snow, K. E. Horak, S. T. Humphrys, L. D. Staples, D. G. Hewitt, and K. C. VerCauteren, "Low secondary risks for captive coyotes from a sodium nitrite toxic bait for invasive wild pigs," Wildlife Society Bulletin, vol. 43, no. 3, pp. 484–490, Sep. 2019. https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wsb.984
[4] N. P. Snow et al., "Potential secondary poisoning risks to non‐targets from a sodium nitrite toxic bait for invasive wild pigs," Pest Management Science, vol. 74, no. 1, pp. 181–188, Jan. 2018. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ps.4692
[5] L. Shapiro, H. Blackie, D. Arthur, J. Ross, and C. Eason, "Secondary poisoning risk for encapsulated sodium nitrite, a new tool for possum control," New Zealand Journal of Ecology, vol. 42, no. 1, pp. 65–73, 2018. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26538097
[6] S. Lapidge, J. Wishart, L. Staples, K. Fagerstone, T. Campbell, and J. Eisemann, "Development of a Feral Swine Toxic Bait (Hog-Gone®) and Bait Hopper (Hog-Hopper™) in Australia and the USA," USDA National Wildlife Research Center - Staff Publications, 2012. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/icwdm_usdanwrc/1158
[7] S. J. Lapidge and C. T. Eason, "Pharmacokinetics and methaemoglobin reductase activity as determinants of species susceptibility and non-target risks from sodium nitrite manufactured feral pig baits." Report for the Australian Government Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts, 2010. https://www.environment.gov.au/syst...files/pigs-sodium-nitrite-risk-assessment.pdf

You can use Sci-Hub or Google Scholar to find some of the full papers.

 

[sleepy dog]

If anything it might "cure" your meat into human jerky.
The animals would have gourmet dining thanks to you.
Maybe leave a bowl of red wine nearby.

 

[MeltingHeart]

If anything it might "cure" your meat into human jerky.
The animals would have gourmet dining thanks to you.
Maybe leave a bowl of red wine nearby.

Ha that's pretty dark/ funny
Just gotta say I love that people are wanting to ctb but still thinking about animal welfare (not being sarcastic I mean it) , I've become so much less conscientious since feeling this way - like even throwing litter! & using plastic bags more & all that crap! Which I would not normally be like! Guess it's all tied up with this awful bitter / angry/ broken person I hve become - like the opposite of who I thought or ever wanted to be! It's not ok- gives more all reason to conclude it would better if u was no longer around. I don't want to be this way- I don't want to be this person I've become - I barely recognise myself anymore. Urgh :(