Slow suicide is encouraged, while quick suicide is discouraged

[PrettyMoose]

Drinking, smoking, drugs, junk food and so on are often encouraged in society in one way or another. I've known people who have been alcoholics and smokers for decades, who rarely go a single day without being drunk and yet look down on people who are depressed and commit suicide without seeing what they do to themselves everyday as a slower form of suicide. It is mind-boggling to me. I can go buy a carton of cigarettes, a 5th of whiskey, and a big bag of cheeseburgers and people will think it's a party and will want to befriend me and join me in partaking in poisons that lead to early deaths. But then if I tie a noose around my neck everyone loses their minds, gotta get my crazy ass some "help" or whatever. It's just fucking weird how this hellworld operates.

 

[TeenIdle]

Society is so hypocritical, I'm tired and it disgusts me. I'm not designed to play in this fake society game

 

[HadEnough1974]

@PrettyNoose One word: Amen!!

 

[one4all]

Just my opinion. Crappy life habits that CAN cause an early demise aren't the same as "hanging yourself"," jumping off a cliff" etc etc
I've smoked and drank heavily most of my life without thinking it was an out. Now when i think of drinking SN.. i know i'm thinking about an out.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Just my opinion. Crappy life habits that CAN cause an early demise aren't the same as "hanging yourself"," jumping off a cliff" etc etc
I've smoked and drank heavily most of my life without thinking it was an out. Now when i think of drinking SN.. i know i'm thinking about an out.

I hear what you're saying. However, many people smoke, drink and over eat and do drugs in order to self medicate. Drinking the Sn to end your life because life is too painful versus drinking in order to dull the pain, kinda the same thing, I think.

 

[PrettyMoose]

Just my opinion. Crappy life habits that CAN cause an early demise aren't the same as "hanging yourself"," jumping off a cliff" etc etc
I've smoked and drank heavily most of my life without thinking it was an out. Now when i think of drinking SN.. i know i'm thinking about an out.

I get your point, though alcohol can still be considered an out even if it doesn't always necessarily kill someone. Like how drinking after work and on weekends is popularized, people are using it as an out to numb themselves from the monotony of their daily lives. A noose around my neck is literally numbing myself, and it is a way to escape the monotony of my daily life. It's just not considered a fun way to do it

 

[Underwhelming]

I agree, they're probably seen as a positive because they bring satisfaction to the people who use them. I wouldn't put them in the same class as suicide, but they're clearly harmful to the person as well. I honestly see society moving away from cigarettes, even though that may be onto vaping or other nicotine alternatives

 

[one4all]

I hear what you're saying. However, many people smoke, drink and over eat and do drugs in order to self medicate. Drinking the Sn to end your life because life is too painful versus drinking in order to dull the pain, kinda the same thing, I think.

That is true. But my point was that they may not be doing it for an exit. Self medicating to me is different then planning to CTB.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

I'd consider excessive drinking/smoking/eating/drugs etc. a form of self-harm. It's not the same as suicide, but the driving factors behind it are probably very similar.

 

[waterbottleman]

You're making some companies very rich by buying cigs, alcohol, and junk food.

If you kill yourself you are no longer a consumer.

In the movie called Thank you for smoking, there's a scene where the main character who is a public relations guy for tobacco companies says that there's an incentive for tobacco companies to keep their customers alive since they'll keep buying their product. A morbid but logical point.

 

[HadEnough1974]

That is true. But my point was that they may not be doing it for an exit. Self medicating to me is different then planning to CTB.

The difference is one is a temporary exit and ctb is a permanent exit.

 

[one4all]

though alcohol can still be considered an out even if it doesn't always necessarily kill someone

Yes it can be an out. Wether the person is aware of it or not. My opinion was about a cognitive thought on this. CTB is an action your are doing for an immediate end and knowing it.

Numbing ones self with drinking/drugs i think is different. That is a temporary thing that can hopefully be dealt with. There really is no temporary effect to CTB.

The difference is one is a temporary exit and ctb is a permanent exit.

See my previous post about that. I mentioned that also

 

[Beautiful_Disgrace]

I noticed this too. It's funny because when people tell me I shouldn't be smoking, and that it's bad for me, I just tell them "I know. Just like everyone knows I'm depressed. But they don't seem to have anything to say about that."

They usually leave me alone after that.

 

[one4all]

I noticed this too. It's funny because when people tell me I shouldn't be smoking, and that it's bad for me, I just tell them "I know. Just like everyone knows I'm depressed. But they don't seem to have anything to say about that."

They usually leave me alone after that.

You could mention that while smoking can kill you. Some depressed driver or pilot says fuck it and takes you out also.

 

[PrettyMoose]

Yes it can be an out. Wether the person is aware of it or not. My opinion was about a cognitive thought on this. CTB is an action your are doing for an immediate end and knowing it.

Numbing ones self with drinking/drugs i think is different. That is a temporary thing that can hopefully be dealt with. There really is no temporary effect to CTB.


See my previous post about that. I mentioned that also

I agree that it can be an has been thought of differently. I just see it as all leading down the same road, only one is driving a brand new Lamborghini (hanging, sn) while the other is driving a broken down Hyundai (drinking, smoking).

But to show that I get what you're saying, it is like sex relating to death. Sex has caused a lot of death in the world through STDs like syphilis and HIV. Every sexual act can be thought of as playing roulette with life and death, yet most times people don't think of it that way when they are in the act. They are just aroused and looking for pleasure. They don't think of the pleasure of sex leading to their deaths, just as someone getting drunk for pleasure all of the time doesn't think of that leading to their deaths. Still we all end up at our destination on that road anyway whether by drinking, getting a deadly STD, or by noose/sn. Looking at the end result it makes no difference, but looking at the thoughts the subjects have during the acts does make the difference.

I suppose one could say that simply being alive is suicide since all roads lead to death anyway if we wanted to get more extreme with it.

 

[omoidarui]

Drinking, smoking, drugs, junk food and so on are often encouraged in society in one way or another. I've known people who have been alcoholics and smokers for decades, who rarely go a single day without being drunk and yet look down on people who are depressed and commit suicide without seeing what they do to themselves everyday as a slower form of suicide.

this observation was also made in 'Conversations with God'

 

[TAW122]

This is really true. Well said @PrettyNoose, and this is how society is. It's ironic that society and most humans out there fear death (partly due to SI) but also socially conditioned to do so because it's one of the worst things imaginable (to them) even though that is the eventual destination for ALL living things, human, animal, plants, and organisms alike. I think it has something to do with mental gymnastics such that if an action directly leads to death (e.g. suicide), then society and the people will outright shun it and reject it, but things that don't directly lead to death (rather indirectly); such as eating poorly, drinking, doing drugs, enlisting to fight and actually see combat in the front lines, doing dangerous jobs that have a moderate to high risk of death, etc., is seen as acceptable.

@TeenIdle Yes, fully agreed. I'd say I'm mostly living on borrowed time at this point in life.

 

[one4all]

I agree that it can be an has been thought of differently. I just see it as all leading down the same road, only one is driving a brand new Lamborghini (hanging, sn) while the other is driving a broken down Hyundai (drinking, smoking).

But to show that I get what you're saying, it is like sex relating to death. Sex has caused a lot of death in the world through STDs like syphilis and HIV. Every sexual act can be thought of as playing roulette with life and death, yet most times people don't think of it that way when they are in the act. They are just aroused and looking for pleasure. They don't think of the pleasure of sex leading to their deaths, just as someone getting drunk for pleasure all of the time doesn't think of that leading to their deaths. Still we all end up at our destination on that road anyway whether by drinking, getting a deadly STD, or by noose/sn. Looking at the end result it makes no difference, but looking at the thoughts the subjects have during the acts does make the difference.

I suppose one could say that simply being alive is suicide since all roads lead to death anyway if we wanted to get more extreme with it.

I could say that waking up in the morning and leaving the house has caused death. I'm not to comfortable with using the "sex" analogy for this thread. That again is something that can happen, not a cognitive thought. Unless you are going out and hoping to catch it
Is anyone encouraging people to go out and have sex to catch HIV so they can hopefully die?
Am i missing something in your post about an act that is thought out as opposed to an act that can lead to something?

 

[s1mplem3]

People are stupid and don't understand we will all die eventually, everything's killing us.

 

[PrettyMoose]

I could say that waking up in the morning and leaving the house has caused death. I'm not to comfortable with using the "sex" analogy for this thread. That again is something that can happen, not a cognitive thought. Unless you are going out and hoping to catch it
Is anyone encouraging people to go out and have sex to catch HIV so they can hopefully die?
Am i missing something in your post about an act that is thought out as opposed to an act that can lead to something?

You say intent matters, I say regardless of intent the outcome is still the same. I was willing to grant the obvious point that not everyone thinks of killing themselves when they have a drink, smoke or have sex. I don't know what else there is to discuss, where any further confusion lies.

 

[Wayfaerer]

You can thank corporate America for all of that. Governments are not the only ones who engage in the art of propaganda.

 

[ghostspace]

I think it would be the same if they specifically stated, "I'm going to smoke thirty packs a day and drink as much liquor as possible until I die from doing these things."

Otherwise it's just negative coping skills, like overeating, which can definitely kill you (actually quite fast) if your stomach explodes. But unless you're doing it specifically for the purpose of dying, it's not really the same.

 

[Clut]

Drinking, smoking, drugs, junk food and so on are often encouraged in society in one way or another. I've known people who have been alcoholics and smokers for decades, who rarely go a single day without being drunk and yet look down on people who are depressed and commit suicide without seeing what they do to themselves everyday as a slower form of suicide. It is mind-boggling to me. I can go buy a carton of cigarettes, a 5th of whiskey, and a big bag of cheeseburgers and people will think it's a party and will want to befriend me and join me in partaking in poisons that lead to early deaths. But then if I tie a noose around my neck everyone loses their minds, gotta get my crazy ass some "help" or whatever. It's just fucking weird how this hellworld operates.

Totally agree with you actually. I had a drink problem for years. I quit thinking it would make me feel better, turns out I was drinking to make me feel better but being sober is just as shit because its life that the problem.