Should proffesionals be allowed to admit people to the hospital phsyc ward involuntarily

[1964dodge]

I know if someone ends up in the e.r. with a suicide attempt but what if someone just tells a professional and they end up in phsyc ward does it blow trust

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Big time.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

No, I was a general surgeon, i don't agree with involuntary admission of pysch patients unless that patient is a danger to the public.

 

[1964dodge]

No, I was a general surgeon, i don't agree with involuntary admission of pysch patients unless that patient is a danger to the public.

I agree if someone wants to go they can as long as they don't endanger anyone else but I think the e.r. will always admit attempts

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

...the question comes down to how the patient is assessed, and whether the one doing the assessment is having a bad day/is competent enough to make that decision. Sorry, but I have no faith in medical professionals. I have seen far too much. Gone through more than anyone should have to
endure, and all because of people who are supposed to be kind, caring, and understanding. In short....no matter what your education or your calling the patient is always in last place.

That's not totally true. You are making a huge sweeping statement against the whole medical community.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

The er will continue to do so as long as the law makes them. How many people have you seen maimed, killed due to one of your peers? Is my bitterness showing....it should be. We need laws that permit people in your position to go to jail. Forget about suing. Criminal charges need to be laid far more often.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

The er will continue to do so as long as the law makes them. How many people have you seen maimed, killed due to one of your peers? Is my bitterness showing....it should be. We need laws that permit people in your position to go to jail. Forget about suing. Criminal charges need to be laid far more often. Why are you on here? Going to shut us down? Of one thing I am sure you are not here to help. You talk about someone being a danger to the public look to yourself.

it's hard to engage in a civlised discussion if you decide to resort to childish personal attacks.

 

[1964dodge]

That's not totally true. You are making a huge sweeping statement against the whole medical community.

this is what I wanted a cross of how people are treated obviously every facility and professional is different

 

[Deleted member 1768]

That's not totally true. You are making a huge sweeping statement against the whole medical community.

Ever gone on strike? Ever seen a patient for free? Ever walked out against the pharmaceutical companies? Ever stopped a compatriot from doing something seriously wrong? Ever owned up to a person injured by a technician or a doctor laying blame where it belongs? Ever said no to making bonuses on drugs that the pharmaceutical giants push on said patients? I could go on, but I think you see my point. I could give you names too. Some from my own family.

 

[Trashcan]

Only if they're a danger to others. But if it was an attempt, people should be free to go.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Ever gone on strike? Ever seen a patient for free? Ever walked out against the pharmaceutical companies? Ever stopped a compatriot from doing something seriously wrong? Ever owned up to a person injured by a technician or a doctor laying blame where it belongs? Ever said no to making bonuses on drugs that the pharmaceutical giants push on said patients? I could go on, but I think you see my point. I could give you names too. Some from my own family.

I am a surgeon, I am not in cohort with any big pharmas. You see there are many different fields of medicine. i specialise in angioplasty and open heart surgery. What is your point?

 

[1964dodge]

The er will continue to do so as long as the law makes them. How many people have you seen maimed, killed due to one of your peers? Is my bitterness showing....it should be. We need laws that permit people in your position to go to jail. Forget about suing. Criminal charges need to be laid far more often. Why are you on here? Going to shut us down? Of one thing I am sure you are not here to help. You talk about someone being a danger to the public look to yourself.

this is just a question and opinions I don't personally know if they should be admitted but at the very least try to get people to voluntarily go they are more apt to try to get help if I was admitted against my will I wouldn't trust anyone so I wouldn't try

 

[Deleted member 1768]

it's hard to engage in a civlised discussion if you decide to resort to childish personal attacks.[/QUO
Touche, but I was not being personal. I was referring to medical professionals, and if you take it personally then I am sorry, but how you take it is up to you. So we are merely test subjects...not surprised. As I said the patient is last. First we have the exalted, well-educated, (or used to be) lording over families as well as patients...then the subjective judgement of those who will choose whether someone is incarcerated with less rights than prisonors, forced to take medication against there wishes. Aw...you know what I have 6 cousins who are doctors, so do not use your psychology on me. I know that you are nothing more than a human being, and I know that you know that doctors, technicians, nurses can do whatever they want to a patient. Privacy laws are a joke for us. For you they give blanket rights to maim, torture, kill, and as one of my cousins would tell you medicine is not worth your soul. Think back to the 'Angel of Death'...so do not denegrate those you do not agree with simply because you do not like what they say. My cousin worked with a doctor, mentored by him. 35 bodies were found in his back yard. He was charged with murder, convicted and now spends his time in prison...too bad it is not a psych ward. If any of you cared about your patients you would be banding together to put a stop to the horror that is perpetrated against the most vulnerable in our society, but you won't because you can't. Your peers would laugh you out of existence. So again I ask how and who decides whether another is a danger to society. You (in general) seem to think that it is alright for someone to make that judgement. I most certainly do not. What if the assessor has a bad headache, indigestion, a fight with the wife or what if they are simply sadistic? What would you do for that patient? Nothing. An easy question for most of us to answer.

this is what I wanted a cross of how people are treated obviously every facility and professional is different

Different? The regulations are the same, and you follow them. You are here for yourself and that is that. You want some answers to add to your stats. talk to me. I write articles, and as you can see I have studied this subject to the nth degree. I may not be able to see well now, but there is nothing wrong with my memory.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

???? @poof

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I am a surgeon, I am not in cohort with any big pharmas. You see there are many different fields of medicine. i specialise in angioplasty and open heart surgery. What is your point?

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[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Do me a favour I am well aware that there are many specialties. The condescension can stop now. Don't try to convince me that surgeons are any different from the rest of humanity. The only difference is your immense protection through the College of Physicians and Surgeons and quite conceivably an equally immense ego. Try not to shut this down. It is the saving grace for many.

You said I am in the pockets of the big pharmas, how so? given you "claimed" you are surrounded by family members who are also physician, pls enlighten me.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

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[Deleted member 1768]

You said I am in the pockets of the big pharmas, how so? given you "claimed" you are surrounded by family members who are also physician, pls enlighten me.

I never said you were in the pockets of big pharma.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

I never said you were in the pockets of big pharma.

No ? Great , why don't you re-read what you wrote and amend as appropriate?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

this is what I wanted a cross of how people are treated obviously every facility and professional is different

Take your little experiment elsewhere...

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Take your little experiment elsewhere...

Why are you so hostile, poof?

 

[1964dodge]

I never said you were in the pockets of big pharma.

you implied it and you said we are dangerous here, do you know where you are other threads tell you how to do it where to get supplies others for pacts and you call a thread with a general question dangerous what does everyone else think of poofs statement

 

[Deleted member 1768]

You said I am in the pockets of the big pharmas, how so? given you "claimed" you are surrounded by family members who are also physician, pls enlighten me.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

you implied it and you said we are dangerous here, do you know where you are other threads tell you how to do it where to get supplies others for pacts and you call a thread with a general question dangerous what does everyone else think of poofs statement

 

[1964dodge]

Take your little experiment elsewhere...

this is not an experiment just a general thread my main question which was not addressed thanks to your hateful rants is how much does involuntary incarceration erode trust with professionals and if you don't like this thread leave

 

[1964dodge]

I asked if you had. I may be going blind but I am not quite there yet. None of what I wrote is meant to be personal. I do not know you, nor do I want to, but I do the medical community, and I do know the pharmaceutical industry and I am well aware that you are only human. And what difference does make if I have family in the medical community? Am I supposed to love all medical professionals simply because they are members of my family? 'claim' anyone who thinks that another would lie about something so simple must, in my view, be very capable of deceit. Another aspect of medicine that makes me feel sick to my stomach.

you say your hate to us isn't personal it sure sounds like it

 

[Deleted member 1768]

What we do with our lives should have nothing to do with you. Dying is final. Living is suffering, at least for most on here. Is it not better to allow someone to go in peace? Would you save the suicidal no matter what condition they were left in...that in my view would be unconscionable.

 

[1964dodge]

What we do with our lives should have nothing to do with you. Dying is final. Living is suffering, at least for most on here. Is it not better to allow someone to go in peace or do you, and it seems you do, prefer another living individual to go in great suffering. You would save the suicidal no matter what condition they were left in...that in my view is unconscionable.

that is not true and you know it I think you are drunk or high either way i'm ignoring you I suggest other people do the same and we can discuss this properly

 

[midastic]

What we do with our lives should have nothing to do with you. Dying is final. Living is suffering, at least for most on here. Is it not better to allow someone to go in peace or do you, and it seems you do, prefer another living individual to go in great suffering. You would save the suicidal no matter what condition they were left in...that in my view is unconscionable.

What did you expect then? Doctors can't just let a person die even if they are in a serious amount of suffering or they will lose their job. They can only follow the medical practices established by the government. Not all doctors are evil and side with big pharma. There are doctors and therapists that truly would care for you and do everything to help you or understand your perspective without calling the psych ward. Please stop trying to start childish fights.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

That's not totally true. You are making a huge sweeping statement against the whole medical community.

It is the laws that permit so much evil to take place. We are all just people and in that group we have sadists, liars, megalomaniacs, etc. Go on strike to change laws that leave all the power in the hands of one/a few.