Readytogo227

Readytogo227

I just want peace.
Jun 26, 2018
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Not quite at that point yet, but just wondering if i should say some final words to those I really like. Not anything obvious like "Hey ima go off myself k bye." but maybe something like "You're a great friend. I appreciate that." or whatever. I just want them to know that I cared about them and loved them. That's all. I want them to know how much they meant to me. Not saying anything to family though, for my own reasons. What do you think?
 
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Personally I think it's a nice gesture and something that will stick with the person. When my mother died of cancer, I remember her last actions (that were actually quite nasty - she wasn't a nice lady) but the point is that the last thing that happens when a person dies suddenly becomes important. If you can do it and you want to, I think it's a great idea
 
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LifeOver

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Jul 23, 2019
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Probably best to leave a note instead. If you suddenly start acting all nice to people, they will catch on that something is up.
 
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Lookingforabus

Lookingforabus

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Aug 6, 2019
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I have, and I would. I pick my moments and my words so as not to worry them, since one of the warning signs for imminent suicidal behavior is going around to everyone and saying how much you love them. For example, though, a friend loaned me his truck so I could move some things, and I casually told him how I really appreciate it, and how it's great that he's always had my back. I was hanging out with another one who did something really generous, so I took the opportunity to tell her how she's the most generous person I know, and what a great person she is. So, don't force it, but work it in organically.

I've also (in addition to a suicide note) written a personal letter to each of the really important people in my life telling them how much they mean to me and thanking them for the particular things they've done for me, and what I admire in them and like that there. That's an approach to consider as well.
 
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@Lookingforabus I have done the same thing re:notes. Special ones for each special person, just explaining that I am sick and it's not their fault and there's nothing they could've done differently to change the outcome. I've found it really difficult. I want them to be perfect and as bracing as possible.

The other concern is that they may be seized by the police, so I am considering taking pictures of the notes and sending delayed emails. There's no guarantee that the police will release the notes I think, though I would love some correction or insight on this
 
Taki

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Jul 30, 2019
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At this point, why do you think you can engineer how people will feel afterwards? Isn't the point of it to leave the world behind?
 
Readytogo227

Readytogo227

I just want peace.
Jun 26, 2018
76
At this point, why do you think you can engineer how people will feel afterwards? Isn't the point of it to leave the world behind?
Yes, I want to leave the world behind. But I also care too much about the people affected by it to simply ctb without some sort of farewell or just...something to let them know it isn't their fault and that I value them in life.
 
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Aug 6, 2019
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The other concern is that they may be seized by the police, so I am considering taking pictures of the notes and sending delayed emails. There's no guarantee that the police will release the notes I think, though I would love some correction or insight on this

Yeah, I also basically expect the cops to ... well, be cops and be irrationally malicious and cruel about it, so my solution to that is:

I have a factual, signed note for the cops, to be located near my body, along with a copy of my estate documents. (~"This is a suicide, this is how I went out, I tick almost all the high suicide risk boxes, no one aided or abetted me, kindly rubber stamp this as a suicide and carry on.") Maybe that's enough for them, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

There's a portfolio containing the original of my estate documents (will, living will, powers of attorney, etc.) along with my actual suicide note, sealed envelopes containing the personalized letters and a warning on top about what police are liable to sieze for their investigation, explaining that there are multiple copies of everything for that reason. This is with my next of kin (not that my next of kin knows it yet). There's also a second portfolio containing copies of all that also with my next of kin, so if need be, that second portfolio can be handed over to the police.

There's a third set of all that with a friend who's in my will, as well.

I trust cops so much, however, that I've also got copies of my note and letters I'll be dropping in the mail on the morning of the main event, and have setup scheduled emails as well because the post office is effing incompetent.

So, four hard copies of everything distributed around, including a set going out by postal mail and an electronic copy of everything (my estate lawyer has a documents portal) to be sent out on a schedule after my death.

I've got scheduled texts going out to the people in possession of the hard copies, and a couple hours later, a scheduled text to the police requesting a body pickup. I'm pretty sure that's practically everything under the sun I can do to make sure everyone gets at least one copy of what they need, and doesn't get ambushed by the cops beforehand. The cops may well seize all the available hardcopies, but I don't they'll stick around to intercept postal mail for a couple days, or hack email accounts to stop those, too.

(Being a computer guy, all this stuff is printed, not handwritten, so that makes it easier... I have the handwriting of an 8 year old, since that was the last time I didn't use a keyboard for everything.)
At this point, why do you think you can engineer how people will feel afterwards? Isn't the point of it to leave the world behind?

You can leave the world behind *and* look out for the people you care about at the same time. This is the exact reason wills and inheritances exist in the first place. For people who get to know their death is coming, communicating with their loved ones can be a part of that.

I might be leaving the world behind, but the people I love will still be stuck in it, and I'm damn well going to do everything I can (short of living) to help them along. In my case, that means money from my estate, that means making sure as much of the post-death work that can be done is done for them, and it definitely means telling them they're loved and appreciated.
 
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Readytogo227

Readytogo227

I just want peace.
Jun 26, 2018
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@Lookingforabus Holy cow, you're really prepared. I commend you for that. I get so impulsive with my mood swings that I have to sadly admit my financial affairs will not be in order when I leave. I don't think I can wait that long. Any tips?
 
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burnedCookie

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Aug 8, 2019
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you should, they will remember it as a beautiful gesture
my gf did that a few days before taking her life, now when I think of her I don't see the fights, the bad times or anything else, I just see that special moment
 
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@Lookingforabus Holy cow, you're really prepared. I commend you for that. I get so impulsive with my mood swings that I have to sadly admit my financial affairs will not be in order when I leave. I don't think I can wait that long. Any tips?

I have been severely depressed for about 30 years, so I've done a lot of thinking about it, generally, for a long time. Did a lot of reading on suicide, both academic and news reports and the like from "suicide survivors" (people who have loved ones who've committed suicide) to get an idea of what people say makes having a loved one die or commit suicide worse and what they say makes it a little easier. Also have a lot of second hand experience with suicide and death in general from friends and family in fire service and medical fields, as well as some first hand experience from a failed attempt of my own that was detected and got me committed more than a decade ago. (Gave me some insight regarding my loved ones' individual reactions and preferences, specifically.) I also have a career that requires a lot of planning and creating resilience/redundancy, so that undoubtedly helps, too.

As best I can figure out, the important things as far as surviving loved ones are concerned are to provide for them materially (money, things, save them effort after the fact) and provide for them emotionally (absolve them of blame, provide answers, express you love them in a note, give them good memories to look back on, and mementos/souvenirs if possible). I did a lot of research and have more experience than most regarding death and suicide, so that helps, but I think that just putting yourself in others' shoes will give you a good idea about what to do and what not to do. ("If my friend/relative killed him/herself, what would help me deal with it and what would hurt?")

A good plan and the time to put it in place are worth a lot. Several months ago I decided there was a good chance I'd be CtBing soon (and a few months ago I made the decision for certain), so I started doing specific research on methods, mapping out good times to go (avoid birthdays, holidays my survivors care about, etc.) and writing up lists of things to get sorted out before I go, things that otherwise couldn't get done, or things one of my loved ones would be stuck doing. A lot of it was minor stuff (send those pictures to that friend, clean up/throw out that junk in the spare room), but some of it was major stuff (get that will made, make sure the beneficiary on that account is updated). Going through day to day life provided me some reminders of things that hadn't come to mind, so having time helped in that regard, too. Crossing things off the list led to other things (like, this would be easier for everyone if I put this stuff in storage, so I'll go rent a storage unit, oh and that friend's TV sucks, I'll give her my spare big screen instead of boxing it up, etc.), so a lot of it flows organically from just having a goal and a list of things to do to achieve it.

Mostly the same deal for the emotional side of things, too, but that just seemed to come together from thinking it through, knowing a bit about the grieving process after the death of a loved one and knowing what my lived ones like and don't like. Being "missing" prevents closure and drags out processing an estate, so I need my body found. Having a loved one find the body or leaving a gory corpse are traumatic, so I need the cops to find it first, so I'll go out in a hotel room or accessible nature location, using a peaceful method. I'm having trouble compressing my carotids, so I'll use the exit bag. Want the cops there before some random person stumbles across a body, so I'll send out scheduled texts to 911. My next of kin hates packing and moving stuff, so I'll get my stuff packed up and moved. Funerals and the disposition of the body are for the benefit of the living, not the dead, so make sure to say it doesn't matter to me and I'll be OK with whatever they want. Suicide notes are for the living, not the dead, so eff making a statement or a expressing myself, focus on answering their questions and dealing with their emotions. They all want to spend time with me, and I want to leave them with good memories, so take leave from work (or quit) and spend time with them and doing things for them. Dad hates mowing his lawn, so I'll drop by on the weekend, mow it for him and then we can have some beers, grill up some burgers and laugh about Trump wanting to buy Greenland. This friend likes fishing, so I'll go out on the lake with him for that (ugh), and that friend wants to see some terrible movie, so I'll buy some tickets and watch it with her (at a theater that serves alcohol, because being a bit buzzed will help me get through it). And so on.

At least for me, like most things in life, it's about figuring out what you want to accomplish, thinking through how to do it, turning that into a list of things to do or a pseudo plan, and following through. It's also my top priority (relatively speaking, nothing else matters to me), and that's very motivating. I've found the process of planning and looking after my loved ones helpful for me personally, as well - laying out my reasoning and analyzing my situation helps dispell any of that false hope that's made me hesitate in the past, no more "I need to get [blank] done before I die", and I'm less concerned about my loved ones, since I've looked out for them. Helped my mood, too... less anxious and worried and so on, more confident and stoic about things now.

That's my basic thought process, hopefully it helps. If you don't have the time to do everything you want to do, prioritizing helps. Figure out what things you want to do, rank them in importance and get through as many as you can before you go.
 
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I have been severely depressed for about 30 years, so I've done a lot of thinking about it, generally, for a long time. Did a lot of reading on suicide, both academic and news reports and the like from "suicide survivors" (people who have loved ones who've committed suicide) to get an idea of what people say makes having a loved one die or commit suicide worse and what they say makes it a little easier. Also have a lot of second hand experience with suicide and death in general from friends and family in fire service and medical fields, as well as some first hand experience from a failed attempt of my own that was detected and got me committed more than a decade ago. (Gave me some insight regarding my loved ones' individual reactions and preferences, specifically.) I also have a career that requires a lot of planning and creating resilience/redundancy, so that undoubtedly helps, too.

As best I can figure out, the important things as far as surviving loved ones are concerned are to provide for them materially (money, things, save them effort after the fact) and provide for them emotionally (absolve them of blame, provide answers, express you love them in a note, give them good memories to look back on, and mementos/souvenirs if possible). I did a lot of research and have more experience than most regarding death and suicide, so that helps, but I think that just putting yourself in others' shoes will give you a good idea about what to do and what not to do. ("If my friend/relative killed him/herself, what would help me deal with it and what would hurt?")

A good plan and the time to put it in place are worth a lot. Several months ago I decided there was a good chance I'd be CtBing soon (and a few months ago I made the decision for certain), so I started doing specific research on methods, mapping out good times to go (avoid birthdays, holidays my survivors care about, etc.) and writing up lists of things to get sorted out before I go, things that otherwise couldn't get done, or things one of my loved ones would be stuck doing. A lot of it was minor stuff (send those pictures to that friend, clean up/throw out that junk in the spare room), but some of it was major stuff (get that will made, make sure the beneficiary on that account is updated). Going through day to day life provided me some reminders of things that hadn't come to mind, so having time helped in that regard, too. Crossing things off the list led to other things (like, this would be easier for everyone if I put this stuff in storage, so I'll go rent a storage unit, oh and that friend's TV sucks, I'll give her my spare big screen instead of boxing it up, etc.), so a lot of it flows organically from just having a goal and a list of things to do to achieve it.

Mostly the same deal for the emotional side of things, too, but that just seemed to come together from thinking it through, knowing a bit about the grieving process after the death of a loved one and knowing what my lived ones like and don't like. Being "missing" prevents closure and drags out processing an estate, so I need my body found. Having a loved one find the body or leaving a gory corpse are traumatic, so I need the cops to find it first, so I'll go out in a hotel room or accessible nature location, using a peaceful method. I'm having trouble compressing my carotids, so I'll use the exit bag. Want the cops there before some random person stumbles across a body, so I'll send out scheduled texts to 911. My next of kin hates packing and moving stuff, so I'll get my stuff packed up and moved. Funerals and the disposition of the body are for the benefit of the living, not the dead, so make sure to say it doesn't matter to me and I'll be OK with whatever they want. Suicide notes are for the living, not the dead, so eff making a statement or a expressing myself, focus on answering their questions and dealing with their emotions. They all want to spend time with me, and I want to leave them with good memories, so take leave from work (or quit) and spend time with them and doing things for them. Dad hates mowing his lawn, so I'll drop by on the weekend, mow it for him and then we can have some beers, grill up some burgers and laugh about Trump wanting to buy Greenland. This friend likes fishing, so I'll go out on the lake with him for that (ugh), and that friend wants to see some terrible movie, so I'll buy some tickets and watch it with her (at a theater that serves alcohol, because being a bit buzzed will help me get through it). And so on.

At least for me, like most things in life, it's about figuring out what you want to accomplish, thinking through how to do it, turning that into a list of things to do or a pseudo plan, and following through. It's also my top priority (relatively speaking, nothing else matters to me), and that's very motivating. I've found the process of planning and looking after my loved ones helpful for me personally, as well - laying out my reasoning and analyzing my situation helps dispell any of that false hope that's made me hesitate in the past, no more "I need to get [blank] done before I die", and I'm less concerned about my loved ones, since I've looked out for them. Helped my mood, too... less anxious and worried and so on, more confident and stoic about things now.

That's my basic thought process, hopefully it helps. If you don't have the time to do everything you want to do, prioritizing helps. Figure out what things you want to do, rank them in importance and get through as many as you can before you go.
Thank you so much. My main problem is the financial part. My spouse and I are barely able to keep a roof over our heads (partly one of my motivations to ctb). Despite all the hours of overtime and stuff, I doubt I can save enough money for my spouse to be financially taken care of without me. I don't know what to do at this point and that just makes the pain worse. I want to type more but I'm on mobile atm and it's laggy af.
 
k75

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Jun 27, 2019
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I think so. If you care about them, you should tell them. They'll remember it, and it'll be a good memory. You can say things in more detail in notes so they have a keepsake, too, but I think both are good. It'll maybe make you feel better, too.
 
sadsadinfp

sadsadinfp

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Aug 18, 2019
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I would leave nice, thought-out notes if it's something you're concerned about, and maybe try to leave some sort of small, but meaningful personal token to them in your will.
 
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Lookingforabus

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Thank you so much. My main problem is the financial part. My spouse and I are barely able to keep a roof over our heads (partly one of my motivations to ctb). Despite all the hours of overtime and stuff, I doubt I can save enough money for my spouse to be financially taken care of without me. I don't know what to do at this point and that just makes the pain worse. I want to type more but I'm on mobile atm and it's laggy af.

Do you have life insurance through work? (That's an almost universal benefit where I've worked, a piddly $10,000 or so life insurance policy.)

Or, can you hold on for two years? (I recently found out in my country, life insurance pays out for suicides, but there's a rider on it so it only pays out on suicides two years after the policy is purchased or changed. Really wish I'd known that a couple years ago.)

That's about all I can think of that might help on the financial side of things.
 
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ddim

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Jul 27, 2019
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(sorry for my poor English)

IMHO, "say something to some people" is important to the alive you, not the you on the bus, unless you believe the theory about soul or ghost stuff or something like that.

Second, we should consider that it might exposure the plan to other people, then you will be in trouble and regret.

Third, I think this is the most important, it might be from "life instinct", a part of self wants to release SOS signal to survive, that's a part of the design of human.
But most people choose to ctb are because they cannot "live" rather than "survive".

In my case, I am ready to ctb, and I have already sent many things(car, iPad, TV, PC....) to other people without unnecessary talking.

My suggestion is alike what sadsadinfp said, just leave a note, as a decent gentleman.
Unnecessary talking might trap others into "moral hazard".

And the part of spouse issue, I envy you that you have a heart to have a spouse.

As a selfish son of bitch(I mean myself), I would say, as the first sentence, nothing means anymore for a person on the bus, including the spouse.

Maybe you can consider to sell one kidney(and something else) and leave the money to your spouse before you ctb.
After all, your spouse means for this alive you.
 
Readytogo227

Readytogo227

I just want peace.
Jun 26, 2018
76
Do you have life insurance through work? (That's an almost universal benefit where I've worked, a piddly $10,000 or so life insurance policy.)

Or, can you hold on for two years? (I recently found out in my country, life insurance pays out for suicides, but there's a rider on it so it only pays out on suicides two years after the policy is purchased or changed. Really wish I'd known that a couple years ago.)
I don't have life insurance just yet, because I'm a temp, but if I get hired on to the company then yes. Also, it's the same where I am too, where I still gotta wait two years before it means anything.

God, two years seems so long... but I also don't want to leave my spouse in financial shambles. I'll try. I'll try to make it.
 
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