Shotgun to back of head, please advise

[wham311]

I've got some help with making this shot but what worries me is that the base of the skull is up to 15mm thick and through the mouth is roughly 3.

The brain stem is the size of a thumb and unless you hit it you do not die. That skull can really redirect the bullet

Is this a terrible idea

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It's erroneous to think that you won't die unless the brain stem is taken out. Taking out the brain stem certainly leads to death, but the reason that emphasis is placed on it is so that pain channels are disrupted and one won't "feel" the pain caused by the damage from the shot. Most use buckshot instead of a single slug. What's the reason you don't want to go through the mouth?

 

[wham311]

It's erroneous to think that you won't die unless the brain stem is taken out. Taking out the brain stem certainly leads to death, but the reason that emphasis is placed on it is so that pain channels are disrupted and one won't "feel" the pain caused by the damage from the shot. Most use buckshot instead of a single slug. What's the reason you don't want to go through the mouth?

From what I've read the brain doesn't bleed much, it swells instead and you can function with everything except the brain stem damaged.

I don't think I can bring myself to do it so Im looking at help.

External occupation protuberance actually reaches 22m

 

[locked*n*loaded]

You'll die whether you take the brain stem out or not. 99% chance of death. Can't be 100%, because it's impossible to account for things that we don't know that we don't know. Only thing probably more effective than shotgun would be guillotine, imo, that completely severs head from body. It's kind of a scary proposition, at least it would be for me, to rely on someone to actually follow through on assistance of this kind, and even if they did, to not screw it up. They're really putting themselves out on a limb, too, risking legal consequences and such. You gotta do what you feel is best for you, though. It just seems like it has "bad movie ending" written all over it.

 

[wham311]

You'll die whether you take the brain stem out or not. 99% chance of death. Can't be 100%, because it's impossible to account for things that we don't know that we don't know. Only thing probably more effective than shotgun would be guillotine, imo, that completely severs head from body. It's kind of a scary proposition, at least it would be for me, to rely on someone to actually follow through on assistance of this kind, and even if they did, to not screw it up. They're really putting themselves out on a limb, too, risking legal consequences and such. You gotta do what you feel is best for you, though. It just seems like it has "bad movie ending" written all over it.

More worried about stats like these

https://codmansurgical.integralife.com/gunshot-head-wounds-what-impacts-survival/

I think it's nowhere near 99%

Lostallhope uses data from 1996 and medicine has significantly improved since then. No other study comes close to 99% survival

 

[locked*n*loaded]

More worried about stats like these

https://codmansurgical.integralife.com/gunshot-head-wounds-what-impacts-survival/

I think it's nowhere near 99%

Lostallhope uses data from 1996 and medicine has significantly improved since then. No other study comes close to 99% survival

I think you should read that article again. Notice how they "conveniently" don't provide survival stats for self-inflicted gun shot wounds, but only for "assault" type wounds from a distance. Most of those stats are derived from gun shot wounds inflicted upon a person at the hands of another. Something seems very skewed to me about the entire article.

 

[wham311]

I think you should read that article again. Notice how they "conveniently" don't provide survival stats for self-inflicted gun shot wounds, but only for "assault" type wounds from a distance. Most of those stats are derived from gun shot wounds inflicted upon a person at the hands of another. Something seems very skewed to me about the entire article.

A little better but 72% for isolated implies close range and is fucking low

 

[locked*n*loaded]

A little better but 72% for isolated implies close range and is fucking low

I'm not sure I take isolated to imply that. Why did they just not use the term "self-inflicted"? Isolated could still mean someone else doing the shooting, but only shooting the person once.

Look up some other sites. I know it's way higher than 74%.

 

[wham311]

I'm not sure I take isolated to imply that. Why did they just not use the term "self-inflicted"? Isolated could still mean someone else doing the shooting, but only shooting the person once.

In this article it defined it as at the hands of someone else

Good amount of miss is from not direct shot, but how much is from the extra several inches of skull to get through

 

[locked*n*loaded]

In this article it defined it as at the hands of someone else

Good amount of miss is from not direct shot, but how much is from the extra several inches of skull to get through

My reference to efficacy only applies to intraoral shotgun blast, and only a 12 gauge at that. No shooting the back of the head and no .410 shotguns.

And it says "isolated head wounds, which are often a result of suicide/self-inflicted injury"...........that's not a definition nor does the statement equate isolated head wounds to being only self-inflicted. They used the word "often", which is not "always".

 

[wham311]

My reference to efficacy only applies to intraoral shotgun blast, and only a 12 gauge at that. No shooting the back of the head and no .410 shotguns.

And it says "isolated head wounds, which are often a result of suicide/self-inflicted injury"...........that's not a definition nor does the statement equate isolated head wounds to being only self-inflicted. They used the word "often", which is not "always".

I know I'm trying to gauge opinions on whether back of the head is going to work based on implications of this data

Would love to see any data you have found because none of what I've found puts me at ease, and I can't find any data on shotgun to back of head at all. I just see lots of pictures of fucked up heads from fucking up intraorally at point blank which should be an easier shot

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I know I'm trying to gauge opinions on whether back of the head is going to work based on implications of this data

Would love to see any data you have found because none of what I've found puts me at ease, and I can't find any data on shotgun to back of head at all. I just see lots of pictures of fucked up heads from fucking up intraorally at point blank which should be an easier shot

You know, I don't want to metaphorically see you do it to the back of your head. I see that way as absolutely securing the bad ending to the movie. Did you look at the link in our conversation? You can search out more on that site, too.

 

[wham311]

You know, I don't want to metaphorically see you do it to the back of your head. I see that way as absolutely securing the bad ending to the movie. Did you look at the link in our conversation? You can search out more on that site, too.

Why is that worse than mouth, I'm not doing it myself

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Spoiler: WARNING GRUESOME PICTURES

Search for shotgun, Herman The Shocker

Middle-aged man committed suicide by shooting himself with a shotgun in the head.

www.hermantheshocker.com

Why is that worse than mouth, I'm not doing it myself

Because there's more resistance back of head.

 

[wham311]

Spoiler: WARNING GRUESOME PICTURES

Search for shotgun, Herman The Shocker

Middle-aged man committed suicide by shooting himself with a shotgun in the head.

www.hermantheshocker.com

Because there's more resistance back of head.

That extra skull rught? I'm just not sure why you're trying to discourage every attempt now with gore pictures of non back of head shots and earlier you said it would still work 99%. If you don't like it that's totally ok but the information is not consistent and seems influenced by personal motive. Just looking for accurate unbiased info. If it was self inflicted there's just as much chance for mistakes and that was your initial problem with it, don't know what changed

 

[FishRain3469]

I agree with locked, even though it Might not be 99%, 72% is too damn low. Doesn't even make sense.

 

[wham311]

I agree with locked, even though it Might not be 99%, 72% is too damn low. Doesn't even make sense.

The brain stem is the size of a thumb and if you don't hit it there's nothing really killing you. You don't lose a lot of blood, the brain swells instead

 

[TotalEclipse]

The brain stem is the size of a thumb and if you don't hit it there's nothing really killing you. You don't lose a lot of blood, the brain swells instead

Dawg, you are going to die if you shoot yourself in the mouth with a shotgun. Let's use some common sense here.

 

[wham311]

Dawg, you are going to die if you shoot yourself in the mouth with a shotgun. Let's use some common sense here.

You are free to Google shotgun to face and see plenty of contradictory evidence

First hand accounts on Reddit explaining what happened when they failed.

If you miss the stem you're still there. It's the size of a thumb, everything else in the brain doesn't really kill you. You dont fall unconscious, adrenaline kicks in, si. You do not always die.

 

[FishRain3469]

Dude.. That's from idiots who point the barrel at their chin or some stupid shit. I guarantee you... when / if I use my 12ga to my ear; I will be Gone. Lights OUT. Even with a 20ga. Doesn't have to be a 12.

 

[TotalEclipse]

You are free to Google shotgun to face and see plenty of contradictory evidence

Yes, to FACE. Which is a different circumstance. You don't point up the chin when you shoot yourself, this is gun suicide 101.

Also, there are three year olds who can play Bach, but you probably shouldn't count on on that happening with your own kid. The existence of miracles shouldn't factor into your decision making when there's something that always happens in the absence of them.

 

[wham311]

That's from idiots who point the barrel at their chin or some stupid shit. I guarantee you... when / if I use my 12ga to my ear; I will be Gone. Lights Out. Even with a 20ga. Doesn't have to be a 12.

I strongly suggest looking back through the mega thread and gathering data

Yes, to FACE. Which is a different circumstance.

Also, there are three year olds who can play Bach, but you probably shouldn't count on on that happening with your own kid. The existence of miracles shouldn't factor into your decision making when there's something that always happens in the absence of them.

It isn't miracles, there is plenty of data for you to look at. No other study comes close to 99% and there are plenty of images of non submental entry points and people surviving.

 

[TotalEclipse]

Maybe I'm misremembering because I haven't looked in a long time, but isn't locked n loaded a big contributor to that thread? (I was lurking for a really long time before I joined)

If you're too scared to use a gun, then just... don't.

 

[wham311]

Maybe I'm misremembering because I haven't looked in a long time, but isn't locked n loaded a big contributor to that thread? (I was lurking for a really long time before I joined)

If you're too scared to use a gun, then just... don't.

He is a big contributor yes

Don't remember seeing any from him but even that thread is full of misinformation. Perform due diligence across other sources

 

[FishRain3469]

Yeaa... surviving from what ? a .22. Or a pellet gun.. but we're talking about shotguns.

 

[wham311]

Yeaa... surviving from what ? a .22. Or a pellet gun.. but we're talking about shotguns.

One study I saw accounted for 6 12 gauge survivors

 

[TotalEclipse]

Also, guns have the lowest success rate of any weapon? Seriously? Kitchen knives? Razor blades for cutting your wrists? I've only heard of one successful case of that, and it was from a source that could very, VERY easily be fiction. What other weapons are out there that people are even using? Grenades? RPGs? Are people finnagling their tanks to shoot them when they stand in front of it?

 

[wham311]

Also, guns have the lowest success rate of any weapon? Seriously? Kitchen knives? Razor blades for cutting your wrists? I've only heard of one successful case of that, and it was from a source that could very, VERY easily be fiction. What other weapons are out there that people are even using? Grenades? RPGs? Are people finnagling their tanks to shoot them when they stand in front of it?

Shorguns have the lowest mortality rate of all guns. I didn't say it the scientific paper did

 

[locked*n*loaded]

That extra skull rught? I'm just not sure why you're trying to discourage every attempt now with gore pictures of non back of head shots and earlier you said it would still work 99%. If you don't like it that's totally ok but the information is not consistent and seems influenced by personal motive. Just looking for accurate unbiased info. If it was self inflicted there's just as much chance for mistakes and that was your initial problem with it, don't know what changed

I'm not trying to discourage anything. I only linked that to show you what intraoral and frontal damage would look like and to convey to you that the 74% lethality you saw in the website you linked is a bunch of bunk. If you want to take your chances with someone else shooting you in the back of the head, that's entirely on you. Personally, I don't want to put my ctb outcome in the hands of another. I trust myself more to get the job done right.

Shorguns have the lowest mortality rate of all guns. I didn't say it the scientific paper did

That is plain and utter bullshit! It's a small canon going off in your mouth. Do the math. Your soft palate is just that. Everything will be obliterated. Have you ever even shot a 12ga before? And I'm not talking about it loaded with some turkey shot, either.

 

[wham311]

I'm not trying to discourage anything. I only linked that to show you what intraoral and frontal damage would look like and to convey to you that the 74% lethality you saw in the website you linked is a bunch of bunk. If you want to take your chances with someone else shooting you in the back of the head, that's entirely on you. Personally, I don't want to put my ctb outcome in the hands of another. I trust myself more to get the job done right.

That is plain and utter bullshit! It's a small canon going off in your mouth. Do the math. Your soft palate is just that. Everything will be obliterated. Have you ever even shot a 12ga before? And I'm not talking about it loaded with some turkey shot, either.

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no but he has

survival shotgun suicide - Google Search

The other poster said "of all weapons" which is not what I said. I repeated what the site said which is of all guns. This is still not the complete circumstance, which is gunshot to head.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/neu.2017.5591

It's a peer reviewed research paper, but regardless You're attacking strawmen that were never argued. No one compared shotguns to knives.