Shitty Pro-Lifer Behaviour

[33K1LLM3]

Pro Lifers, the foe of those who wish ctb. The people who think they are helping us, but are totally bemused when their 'help' damages us. For too long their behaviour has been accepted, but why in particularly are this following behaviour excused, because when you look back on it you really get questioning, don't you?

An individual runs to a bridge and jumps up on the ledge, ready to go. But a pro lifer has run after them, then latches onto the individual trying to pull them down. The individual begs for them to stop, makes it clear that this is their choice, but the pro lifer won't listen, the pro lifer the individual is 'vulnerable' and needs to be 'helped'. But the individual has been 'helped' many fucking times, too many times for them to remember.

So the individual fearing that what have been through will happen again, gets violent, fights as hard as they can to stop their pain form happening all over again, but the pro lifer won't see it, their trapped in their delusion that what the individual is doing is 'a permanent solution to a temporary problem'. The pro lifer can't understand the pain of the individual, but has already decided that the individual's pain isn't good enough. The individual must live, if the individual is living, the pro lifer feels like they have done something right, but happily passes off the indictable pain, cause in a pro lifer's, no pain is acceptable enough for one to ctb.

So other people see the pro lifer fighting with the individual. The individual is fighting to end their suffering, but those who see the struggle, see a desperate individual fighting with someone who just 'cares'. So they call the police, not knowing the individual has been harmed by the police many times before, because like most of humanity, they think that humans must live for as long as possible no matter how much suffering they go through, because every individual must die at old age right?

The police are called, and the individual has fear in their eyes. They scream in terror fearing that they will go through the same cycle again, and again, and again….

Oh why can't it just be over?

Well it isn't, it starts all over again, the individual is taken by police, screaming and horrified that they haven't ended teh suffering, it's going to continue. But the police just don't understand, they are like the rest of humanity, only just enforcing it. And enforce it they do, in the end they see the pro lifer as a hero, giving them praise and support. The individuals feelings are ignored because everyone knows a suicidal person is 'irrational and vulnerable'. No one will get it.

This will happen more and more until one day the individual can finally get the peace they deserve, but most likely in more horrifying ways, ways that no human would want to even put on themselves. But they had no other choice, the bridge the bad enough, but haven't I told you, this has happened many times before, but the methods just change on availability, because every time the individual goes through pain, a pro lifer will make sure that the acsess to end the individual's pain, will become more and more risky and difficult to pull off.

All in the name of 'help' right?

When will we ever question this????

Oh, I forgot…

We won't. We never question it, for as long as humanity stays in it's sad and pathetic pro lifer ways.

 

[RadiantNumber]

As I said in other topic their mindset is that everybody should be happy get a job, partber and smile, they didn't understand life could be hard

 

[Seered Doom]

They do not understand that generalizations do not make things better. In fact, they make them worse.

 

[lil dwayne]

Pro lifers who try and force what they think on us are the worst most vile people ive ever meet.

 

[FuneralCry]

That is just so cruel to me, I see so much cruelty in how many humans wish to trap others in this dreadful, torturous existence and force them to suffer for as long as possible just to die in agony from old age, it's such a horrific world where suicide is seen as a crime with the suffering and torture of human existence seen as to force and prolong no matter what, those people just cause so much harm and way more suffering in an existence where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured, it's all so terrible.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Sounds like you've been through this and a lot more, OP. I'm sorry they're making everything so much more difficult for you than it needs to be.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

I've found that no matter what humans seemingly inherently need to feel superior in one way or another and it's a bitter bitter reality..
The extra unwanted opinions and world views are just,, extra, more BS on-top of everything else to add to the flame.

 

[SilentSadness]

Reading this angered me so much I couldn't finish it. Pro-lifers are just so cruel and terrible and can never be forgiven. I'm sorry if you've experienced their deranged behaviour or are afraid of experiencing it, it really is just humans being evil as usual.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i think if those pro-lifers and police stop me from jumping or killing myself they should have to do all my to do lists, chores , work my job , clean house, declutter every thing , dust , wash my dishes, take out the trash , fix everything , groceries , cook , wash clothes every day cause that's what i have to do every day and i don't want to . and these are not the main reasons i want out of this hell.

and any other that even advises me to keep living or even says "life is good" should have to do these my chores why cause i don't want to do that garbage if they think that is so good then do them . . why do i have to live even another minute? there is no reason. only to work so hard to exist as a slave and an animal under the threat of extreme torture.

 

[EmptyBottle]

thing is, while the person is temporarily stopped... without actual understanding and work towards fixing/mitigating the root causes... they could keep attempting until they can't anymore.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mental-health/aussie-man-living-by-cliff-saved-500-lives-by-offering-cup-of-tea/news-story/b77de3a8aa6ab37017d060393f1d4b94

Later in life, he kept a safer distance, but he remained available to lend an ear, though he never tried to counsel, advise or pry. He just asked if they'd like to talk and invited them back to his house for tea. Sometimes, they joined him.

This is an example of non forceful help (for the most part)... getting police involved could actually end up motivating the individual to retry privately, and merely delay a CTB only.

 

[Lyn]

The whole problem is ignorance. It always is.
And an unwillingness/inability to look at things from a third party perspective.
That's sad. But that's our society.

 

[kopebaldy]

They're unable to understand emotions other than their owns.

I guess that isn't entirely on them because when you're normal and has been interacting with normal people, your world view is limited. Abnormalities are diseases to them.

I have the absolute (dis)pleasure to watch how friends and family think ab and treat people like me.

If I'm not their friend or son or brother or whatever, that's the treatment I'll get.

My brother always say he's been around, meeting lots of different people, he knows what I think then proceed to be wrong with every sentence.

Yeah you meet a lot of normal people brother, you never once consider people like me "people". If we didn't happen to share similar DNA by random chance you would treat me like how you treat them.

 

[Scenegirlshooter]

Pro lifers are all fucking hypocrites. they want to help everybody but those who actually need it, like- those who are still saveable, and not people who have been pushed to the edge and don't want to get off of said edge.
they criticize us for wanting to take our lives, "life is such a precious thing!" when our lives has been made SHIT by these people- and their fucking "rules for me not for thee!!" rules and values about mental illness and suicide and disabillity... blah blah blah you know the drill.
People who are actually prolife are trying to help make new medications, write books, work in wards- or tell their own survivor stories- or SHIT, they AREN'T belittling the suicidal/mentally unstable to beyond the point of saving.
they all just need to die. they arent pro life. theyre just dragging more people to death. they're bonafide murderers

 

[EmptyBottle]

Pro lifers are all fucking hypocrites. they want to help everybody but those who actually need it, like- those who are still saveable, and not people who have been pushed to the edge and don't want to get off of said edge.
they criticize us for wanting to take our lives, "life is such a precious thing!" when our lives has been made SHIT by these people- and their fucking "rules for me not for thee!!" rules and values about mental illness and suicide and disabillity... blah blah blah you know the drill.
People who are actually prolife are trying to help make new medications, write books, work in wards- or tell their own survivor stories- or SHIT, they AREN'T belittling the suicidal/mentally unstable to beyond the point of saving.
they all just need to die. they arent pro life. theyre just dragging more people to death. they're bonafide murderers

That's an excellent way of stating the difference between the (rightfully hated) pro-lifers, and genuine pro-caring people (that's what I'd call them, they actually try to help vs be a do-gooder)

I hope to be a pro-caring person, while I do understand that people choose intentional death, I merely let them know they have no obligation to die just because they stated some plans, and either way they can choose. Maybe it helped someone live... tho at the minimum it hopefully didn't make anyone feel worse before they made their final decision.

All I can do, is try and help *myself* to live, and try to be helpful (tho ofc not push pro-life crap) to others. While I feel that death wishes are almost always fixable (tho the fixes can be very complex, slow, and imperfect), I don't try to force a fix, that makes things worse... I gently guide where I can, and when I can't do much, just talk and listen, if the other person seems ok with that.

I do not have thought modification hardware, advanced detection/diagnostics and response/recovery tools, nor official qualifications. But I can try to be a reasonable and nice person.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it can be more insiduous than this too. Imagine that the person that witnesses this is in fact pro-choice. Perhaps they still choose to approach them just to talk but, they don't try to grab them or talk them down. They let them make their own choice. Some other people notice and alert the police but, the police decide to do the same- to honour the person's right to choose. And, they jump.

If the family gets wind of this- what will likely be their first words? 'Why didn't you try to stop them?' I imagine they will even try to take legal action against the police. The problem is- we also live in a culture of blame. People are afraid of getting into trouble themselves so, they may feel pressured to intervene.

The other problem is- I guess it is possible for someone to suicide while they are experiencing psychosis or, under the influence of drugs etc. How can a total stranger or even a police officer properly assess their state of mind in the seconds they've been with them? They can't- clearly- so I think it's almost inevitable that they will try to stop them.

Not meaning to victim blame here but also- why has the person chosen a time when there are people about who, more than likely will stop them? That in itself doesn't necessarily suggest clear, logical thinking. If the goal is to die and we know full well there are a lot of people out there who will prevent that if they know about it, wouldn't we try to choose a time or method that gives us more privacy?

I do understand the frustration at not being given the freedom to choose but, I also think it's a complicated situation. If people never committed impulsively or during a psychotic episode, there would be more grounds to allow everyone to choose.

The link to mental illness is one of the greatest problems- I feel. I really think to move beyond that, we need some things straightened out: Are all suicidal people mentally ill? Can someone with mental illness still be rational enough to be able to make informed decisions? Can all mental illnesses be treated? If not, are they debilitating enough to be considered as bad as chronic/ terminal illnesses?

Of course, all this awful DIY approach to suicide wouldn't even be necessary if they legalised assisted suicide and made it available to more people. That way, with a legalised but regulated system, families would simply have to accept that some people want out. Only then do I think we'll see a real shift towards pro-choice. I doubt it will happen though. (For the majority of us.)