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Anyone who sells illegal drugs in mexico is going to be part of a cartel, they run everything over there. I suspect thats why the sources are so good at getting N to people who buy it. they have extensive knowledge in importing and exporting drugs of all types, they have their hand in everything and basically run mexico, but there reach doesn't stop there they have connections worldwide. take for instance the sinaloa cartel they are absolutely massive and highly dangerous organization, i have seen the documentaries where they hang whole families from bridges in the middle of towns just because someone 'disrespected them'. I remember when the government caught el chaos son, the cartels set up road blocks and started causing chaos and the government let him go!!!!!!

i think the main cartel is sinaloa, but there are others aswell, i found an article about them below

Mexico's drug cartels are rapidly expanding their share of the international drug market, according to reports from U.S. drug enforcement officials and their counterparts in Europe and Asia.
As we recently noted, Mexican cartels are some of the most extensive and powerful criminal enterprises in history. Evidence suggests that the cartels have a presence (at least) in all of the world's major drug markets, and are now expanding operations into other types of illegal smuggling. In the past few months, the U.S. agencies have stopped using the acronym "DTOs," or drug-trafficking organizations to describe the Mexican cartels. They now favor the term "TCO," or transcontinental criminal organizations.
 
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Not sure what this has to do with N. Cartels are not in this business. Its not a long-term profitable business model to have a bunch of one-time customers. Based on that I doubt they'd ever touch this business.

Not sure what you're talking about here. SMH...

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Not sure what this has to do with N. Cartels are not in this business. Its not a long-term profitable business model to have a bunch of one-time customers. Based on that I doubt they'd ever touch this business.

Not sure what you're talking about here. SMH...

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a bottle of N cost $10 and sells for $650 i'd say thats a highly profitable business myself. also you'll find numerous members on here that have loads of bottles of N, some people keep on buying the stuff even though they already have it. I've spoke to many members where thats the case. If it wasn't a profitable business why would there be so many scam sites on the internet? you only have to look at the list on nembutalscammers to realise how much money is to be made.

I mean a person who sold SN recently turned scammer and said they were selling N, since then 4 other sites have been added. so sites are getting added constantly. at the rate of what D sells for that would be 5 x $650 so that would be £3200 in a few days, and thats just from the scam sites!!!

I'm pretty sure that the cartels control all aspects of drug trafficking, N is an illegal drug. Its not your average joe that can get hold of this stuff. the way that N is so easily got through customs makes me think that someone has alot of insider information
 
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Not sure what this has to do with N. Cartels are not in this business. Its not a long-term profitable business model to have a bunch of one-time customers. Based on that I doubt they'd ever touch this business.

Not sure what you're talking about here. SMH...

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It's sorta rude to include this shaking of head thing. We have no idea who the source is, what their story is. I heard from someone source has been doing this 15+ years. No one likes to be disregarded with someone holding their head and shaking it at them.
 
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It's sorta rude to include this shaking of head thing. We have no idea who the source is, what their story is. I heard from someone source has been doing this 15+ years. No one likes to be disregarded with someone holding their head and shaking it at them.

Gifs are meant to be funny...

if you dont have a sense of humor then get over it...

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You're post also indicates "SOMEONE" not a whole gang of members who have to feed families and networks of people because thats the definition of a cartel.

SOMEONE doing it as a side hustle is an entirely different story.
 
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Gifs are meant to be funny...

if you dont have a sense of humor then get over it...
Not all gifs are funny. Some are super immature and passive agressive. You're arguing their point and including a shitty gif. I don't think there's anything funny about suicide...ordering n and talk about cartels.
 
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It's sorta rude to include this shaking of head thing. We have no idea who the source is, what their story is. I heard from someone source has been doing this 15+ years. No one likes to be disregarded with someone holding their head and shaking it at them.

you are right we don't know who the source is to be fair. just a thought i had, i mean they are clearly involved in some heavy shit, if you get caught selling N you would do a serious amount of jail.
 
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Not all gifs are funny. Some are super immature and passive agressive. You're arguing their point and including a shitty gif. I don't think there's anything funny about suicide...ordering n and talk about cartels.

And that's YOUR opinion. And possibly you projecting onto me. You're welcome to ignore me as I will you right now.

Bye, Bye!!!
 
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Not all gifs are funny. Some are super immature and passive agressive. You're arguing their point and including a shitty gif. I don't think there's anything funny about suicide...ordering n and talk about cartels.

don't worry i'm not worried if a person wants to send a gif to mock what i said I'm not really going worry about what a random person posts on the internet to me. but i can understand your thoughts as some people are vulnerable to what people post on the internet.
 
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don't worry i'm not worried if a person wants to send a gif to mock what i said I'm not really going worry about what a random person posts on the internet to me. but i can understand your thoughts as some people are vulnerable to what people post on the internet.

Thanks for having a good sense of humor. If you were personally offended I would apologize personally to you. Not anyone else...
 
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Not all gifs are funny. Some are super immature and passive agressive. You're arguing their point and including a shitty gif. I don't think there's anything funny about suicide...ordering n and talk about cartels.

exactly dealing in N is a serious business these people clearly have sum big connections, your average joe doesn't just decide to sell a substance that is going to kill another person, you have to have a certain way of thinking and have no problems with the fact your going to kill another. that to me sounds like what a killer would do, it takes a very limited type of person to openly sell something to kill another human being especially as your going away for a long time if caught.
Thanks for having a good sense of humor. If you were personally offended I would apologize personally to you. Not anyone else...
like i said i don't worry what other people think, your entitled to your opinion as am i. i can understand what the other member is saying as some members on here could be affected if they thought they were being mocked, but in this case i'm not.
 
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I'm sure the seller is "connected". IMO, selling N is way, way easier and safer than the normal drug game……
 
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I'm sure the seller is "connected". IMO, selling N is way, way easier and safer than the normal drug game……

your average drug dealer doesn't sell substances that they know are going to be used to kill yourself with, mainly due to alot will not think its morally right. It takes a special type of person to have no qualms about selling substance specifically to cause death. seen as its widely known that cartels will kill for someone just looking at them the wrong way, and then they kill whole families aswell. thats the type of attitude i'd say you need to sell a product like N to thousands if not millions of people. your going to do some serious jail time if you get caught, so it must be highly lucrative or why would someone risk it???

ok people sell heroin and addicts die, but there thinking is its a possibility and its the addicts fault. wheres with N you fully know someone is going to kill themselves with it, you have to have a certain mindset for that. not just jimmy who sells a few $10 bags of crack and half ounce of weed a month!!
 
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I'm not sure….the risk of selling N is less than dealing other drugs, especially the hard ones, from the dealers perspective…..
 
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I know what you mean the risk being less, i just don't think that most would be able to sell something knowing its sole purpose is death.

I know people sell illegal drugs and people die from them all the time, i just feel its a bit different than actually knowing your definitely going to kill someone. i'm not saying normal drug dealers 'care' about who they sell to and what happens though!!!

in mexico anyone selling illegal drugs is going to be connected, no fucking way the cartels aren't going to be involved and let someone else make a shit load of money, they run the fucking country!!! it would make sense on how they get stuff through customs etc.

i think i saw someone mention A had been selling for 15 years, thats a long time to sell drugs and not get caught for!!! and its alot of fucking deaths aswell, i imagine he would be a prolific serial killer!!!
 
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I see it as no different from selling grenades or other weapons of war. Maybe I've found a new career
Let me change my handle to roguedealer :blarg:
 
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I see it as no different from selling grenades or other weapons of war. Maybe I've found a new career

interesting point that actually. i would imagine that the people who sell the stuff specifically for war have some excuse for why its ok to sell the stuff for that purpose!!! like, well i'm going to save this amount of people but kill this much, so it makes it ok!! then you have the illegal arms dealers who don't give to hoots who gets blown up or shot!!

get your orders in, i'll have a couple of bottles off ya!! and 2 grenades aswell please
 
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Scientists enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, create chemical or biological weapons. All somewhat similar….so in my book, what the N seller is doing is no biggie. Willing buyer, willing seller……
 
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Interesting discussion here.

Regarding the horrors of the cartels, a large part of the problem is the criminalisation of certain drugs, forcing business models into underground realms dominated by murderous psychopaths. On a smaller scale, this applies to the likes of N also, where proper mental health treatment and humane end-of-life options would terminate the underground market overnight.

The sellers are definitely making huge money and amoral to the fact that buyers may be legitimately terminally ill or may be confused young people in their most vulnerable hours. The ethics can be debated endlessly, as it could be argued that there is no murder in giving someone choice regarding their own bodies.

The entire situation is a reflection of how messed up our society is at so many levels.
 
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Scientists enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, create chemical or biological weapons. All somewhat similar….so in my book, what the N seller is doing is no biggie. Willing buyer, willing seller……

i guess you could look a it as some people are selling things to legally kill people, not saying i do. but then again is that because i am programmed by society to think that way?
Interesting discussion here.

Regarding the horrors of the cartels, a large part of the problem is the criminalisation of certain drugs, forcing business models into underground realms dominated by murderous psychopaths. On a smaller scale, this applies to the likes of N also, where proper mental health treatment and humane end-of-life options would terminate the underground market overnight.

The sellers are definitely making huge money and amoral to the fact that buyers may be legitimately terminally ill or may be confused young people in their most vulnerable hours. The ethics can be debated endlessly, as it could be argued that there is no murder in giving someone choice regarding their own bodies.

The entire situation is a reflection of how messed up our society is at so many levels.

Do you think the legalisation would stop the illegal trade though? i mean if you look at cannabis for instance, its made legal in lots of place in america but yet the illegal sellers still thrive in the market. i wouldn't of thought that would be the case myself, but it has happened. I know people say about people being young and confused , but at 18 your an adult and i personally won't judge or think i know what a person like that has been through, they could have been through all sorts of crap. like you said the ethics can be debated endlessly. one group of people will say they are right and so will the other group. I mean some countries have decided to make euthanasia legal, they aren't just groups these are hole countries.they also haven't always been like that. but if you say there are young and confused people out there wouldn't it still leave a market for them??? i don't think alot of young people buy N personally mainly down to the cost of it. i would imagine.

oh yes there must be plenty of money in the business, you only have to look at how many scam sites are on the internet 100's info 1000's. new ones pop up on EXIT list weekly.
 
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Drug dealers care about one thing: money.

They don't give a damn about people and don't care about ethics.

Drugs like heroin, meth, and crack destroy lives. But dealers happily get people addicted because it's profitable. The only reason I think N isn't easily available is because the risk vs. reward is low. You don't have repeat customers, and the best business is repeat business. So it's not a great business model and won't reap the same long-term benefits of heroin or crack.

With the exception of maybe small time dealers of pretty harmless drugs, like pot, they're not worried about morals, ethics, and suicidal people. In fact, they'd kill you with absolutely no qualms.
 
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Drug dealers care about one thing: money.

They don't give a damn about people and don't care about ethics.

Drugs like heroin, meth, and crack destroy lives. But dealers happily get people addicted because it's profitable. The only reason I think N isn't easily available is because the risk vs. reward is low. You don't have repeat customers, and the best business is repeat business. So it's not a great business model and won't reap the same long-term benefits of heroin or crack.

With the exception of maybe small time dealers of pretty harmless drugs, like pot, they're not worried about morals, ethics, and suicidal people. In fact, they'd kill you with absolutely no qualms.

I don't think pot is a harmless drugs, my friends sister is a mental health nurse and says its unreal how many people are in there due to it. i also have many friends and can see how i has changed them alot, they think they can work and function correctly but they can't in reality, not 100% anyway i mean by that. I personally can't even touch the stuff, one drag and its can send me on a whitey lol I used to smoke it and had no problems when i was really young!!

I personally think it takes certain type of person to sell a drug that has 1 main purpose..... to kill sum one. but i can see exactly point the other member said about people do other things that are meant to kill people like sell guns etc for wars.

you are totally right illegal drugs do destroy lives, like heroin, crack etc. but the people selling them are doing so knowing they may destroy lives but don't think about them possibly killing someone. I know loads of people who sell drugs, mostly coke and weed not heroin etc and its sold like as if everyones just trying to help each other to get high and its like the normal. honestly i think thats what alot of people selling certainly coke or weed think oh its not doing any harm but in reality it is
 
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Do you think the legalisation would stop the illegal trade though?
Good points. I can't judge the ethics of giving N to young people. Most 18 year olds who are suicidal will have recently experienced schoolyard bullying, abuse and family neglect. Their dramatically impulsive behaviour is also exacerbated by hormonal factors. I couldn't support treating death as the solution. Then again, I was suicidal at that age and often wish I had gone through with it. So I don't know on that one.

Prohibition is a complicated topic. Between 1920 and 1933, the era of prohibition of alcohol in the US saw the emergence of criminal networks dealing with illicit sale. These networks appear to be nonexistent in modern times, or rather they have turned their attention to other substances. The legalisation of marijuana in parts of the US is still a new phenomenon so the long-term results are not clear.

Compared to alcohol, marijuana has many advantages. In addition to being a legitimate medical tool in certain situations, it cannot kill through acute poisoning and it does not trigger violent behaviour that is of concern to society. (Of course it can stunt intellectual growth in children, and also lead to major mental health issues if abused excessively, so should not be branded as totally harmless.)

Society's choice to promote and normalise alcohol whilst criminalising weed reflects badly on our ability to have intelligent debate. Psychedelics that can offer therapies are also potential life-savers that are still criminalised in many places.

However, I have seen what crystal meth can do to people and I whole-heartedly support it being illegal. The answer is not creating a free-for-all society of highly addictive drugs. The best solution could be a combination of educating the young, mental health support , mentoring and sensible decriminalisation.

But given the scope of the novel economic and ecological problems that society is facing, there is not going to be a drug-free future any time soon.
 
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Good points. I can't judge the ethics of giving N to young people. Most 18 year olds who are suicidal will have recently experienced schoolyard bullying, abuse and family neglect. Their dramatically impulsive behaviour is also exacerbated by hormonal factors. I couldn't support treating death as the solution. Then again, I was suicidal at that age and often wish I had gone through with it. So I don't know on that one.

Prohibition is a complicated topic. Between 1920 and 1933, the era of prohibition of alcohol in the US saw the emergence of criminal networks dealing with illicit sale. These networks appear to be nonexistent in modern times, or rather they have turned their attention to other substances. The legalisation of marijuana in parts of the US is still a new phenomenon so the long-term results are not clear.

Compared to alcohol, marijuana has many advantages. In addition to being a legitimate medical tool in certain situations, it cannot kill through acute poisoning and it does not trigger violent behaviour that is of concern to society. (Of course it can stunt intellectual growth in children, and also lead to major mental health issues if abused excessively, so should not be branded as totally harmless.)

Society's choice to promote and normalise alcohol whilst criminalising weed reflects badly on our ability to have intelligent debate. Psychedelics that can offer therapies are also potential life-savers that are still criminalised in many places.

However, I have seen what crystal meth can do to people and I whole-heartedly support it being illegal. The answer is not creating a free-for-all society of highly addictive drugs. The best solution could be a combination of educating the young, mental health support , mentoring and sensible decriminalisation.

But given the scope of the novel economic and ecological problems that society is facing, there is not going to be a drug-free future any time soon.

believe me i don't want to see your people die either, its really sad and i don't even want/have kids. yes your are right alot of these young kids could have been bullied, i feel as if society is getting soft nowadays, its all down to people being constantly on social media and seeing fake bullshit pictures and wanting to be like others etc. its really sad to be honest. I wasn't suicidal at a young age so can't comment on what it would be like and i have never been bullied etc. when i was younger i didn't want to be like anyone else i wanted to be me( ok i was good looking i'll admit that and i know some say they aren't although its quite possible they are and suffer from low self esteem?), i never worried what others though and when i wanted something i went out and got it , eg a top job with massive pay, and a supercar, it just required effort. i feel the whole social media thing is why the worlds fucked, you see couples in restaurants they can't even hold a conversation and are stuck on their shoes all night posting pictures of food lol.

oh alcohol isn't good for you in large amounts, drinking bottles of spirits every night is not a good idea. marijuana that is good for you has the THC taken out of it and is used in medicine, my dad was offered it. the other stuff doesn't contain the big h and all the crap that can fuck with your head! I wouldn't say it doesn't trigger violence i've seen plenty of people fighting stoned out there box, or should i say trying to!!!

Its like smoking is legal another drug. the reason alcohol and smoking are legal is down to 1 simple fact, the TAX the governments get fr om the sales.

I'm not sure what the answer is to all the illegal drugs , but i know the current way its being run isn't working and has never worked either!!! I mean alot of drugs actually used be legal at one time aswell.
 
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