Sanctioned Suicide and Black Lives Matter

[HadEnough1974]

We, the people of the ss community are asking for the following rights:

1 - The right to be able to talk about suicide without being detained and held against our will.

2 - If we chose to do so, the right to end our life in the most peaceful method possible and die with dignity in order to end our pain and suffering, when all other options have been exhausted.

Our black and brown brothers are asking for the following:

1 - The right to protest peacefully and not be detained and held against their will.

2 - The right to LIVE their lives, with dignity and respect.

We are asking to die with peace and dignity, while they are asking to be left in peace and LIVE with dignity. Isn't that ironic?

I dare anyone to tell me that this post does not belong in this section.

Some people are dying to live (I can't breathe), while we are struggling to die.

Has anyone else thought about this contrast or am I the only one?

Thank you.

 

[InterstateFlowers]

I had to reread your post a few times to understand what you're saying. You're talking about the difference between the BLM movement asking to live with dignity while SS asking to die with dignity, am I correct? Sorry, I'm stupid.

 

[HadEnough1974]

I had to reread your post a few times to understand what you're saying. You're talking about the difference between the BLM movement asking to live with dignity while SS asking to die with dignity, am I correct? Sorry, I'm stupid.

That is correct and you're not stupid.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

Okay...

 

[InterstateFlowers]

Ah, okay. Thank you. I'm sorry to say I've never really thought about it like that.. but I think it's really interesting nonetheless. But I think there's a difference and it's hard to describe or I'm just plain wrong but I feel like there's a big difference with how S.S and BLM asks for their rights. BLM tries to make its point across with lots of protesting, t.v news, social media, and other outlets. It's almost everywhere.

You won't see suicidal people doing that. Protesting? I don't have the guts to protest for my right to die and I haven't seen a big pro-choice march for suicide. Probably because people are predisposed to dislike suicide. It's easier to agree with BLM because if you don't, you're deemed a racist. Not many people will support euthanasia because it's seen as suicide.

The only organization I know that supports your choice regarding ending your life is Death with Dignity, a nonprofit organization in certain states of the U.S like Oregon and California that allows terminally ill patients to legally request life-ending prescriptions to die in a dignified way.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Ah, okay. Thank you. I'm sorry to say I've never really thought about it like that.. but I think it's really interesting nonetheless. But I think there's a difference and it's hard to describe or I'm just plain wrong but I feel like there's a big difference with how S.S and BLM asks for their rights. BLM tries to make its point across with lots of protesting, t.v news, social media, and other outlets. It's almost everywhere.

You won't see suicidal people doing that. Protesting? I don't have the guts to protest for my right to die and I haven't seen a big pro-choice march for suicide. Probably because people are predisposed to dislike suicide. It's easier to agree with BLM because if you don't, you're deemed a racist. Not many people will support euthanasia because it's seen as suicide.

The only organization I know that supports your choice regarding ending your life is Death with Dignity, a nonprofit organization in certain states of the U.S like Oregon and California that allows terminally ill patients to legally request life-ending prescriptions to die in a dignified way.

We have a good movement here in Canada. It's mostly for the terminally ill though.

The reason you don't see us marching and protesting is because most of us are in the closet about our desire to ctb and a whole bunch of us are suffering too much from anxiety and depression to protest.

 

[Lorntroubles]

Yes, it's ironic but I'm hoping this thread doesn't turn into something inflammatory about race, politics, and society. Idk what you are trying to point out about the comparison and contrast...where do you plan on taking this discussion?

If I go outside, people will notice my skin color. Nobody will notice I'm dealing with suicidal thoughts. Let that sink in for ya....

This race stuff makes me so sad/mad. Ain't fuckin right!!!!

 

[Pan]

Let a hundred flowers bloom; let a hundred schools of thought contend—Chairman Mao Tse Tung

 

[HadEnough1974]

Yes, it's ironic but I'm hoping this thread doesn't turn into something inflammatory about race, politics, and society. Idk what you are trying to point out about the comparison and contrast...where do you plan on taking this discussion?

If I go outside, people will notice my skin color. Nobody will notice I'm dealing with suicidal thoughts. Let that sink in for ya....

This race stuff makes me so sad/mad. Ain't fuckin right!!!!

I'm just pointing out the irony and that we are both asking for dignity. I hope that some day, when you go outside, people will not judge you based on the color of your skin but by the content of your character and the strength it takes to live another day.

 

[Cosmiq]

No, I don't see it that way at all. BLM movement is largely an American movement asking to be treated equally, It's not a hard concept for people to grasp that someone doesn't want to be treated unfairly for the simple fact that they have a darker skin tone. It doesn't cause pain to others to let someone live in peace and be treated like a human being. It's not going against anyone's survival instinct, or something someone might only consider wanting temporarily during a difficult period in their lives. Wanting a better life is something easy to get behind because how does it negatively affect anyone else? It fits a lot of beliefs and religions to fight for better treatment. I'm black, and I want to be treated fairly, but would also like to the choice in when I die.

Death is seen as punishment for many, so a lot of people can't understand how it may be peaceful or an escape for others. Death is feared and unknown, so it's not something many want to send another person off to especially if it's someone close to them. Many don't understand that someone may be suffering so much that it doesn't matter where they go just as long as they get away from here. Some people only see how the death of others will affect them, that they will be alone, and learn how to grieve and go through life without someone. People see life as something we must endure or fight to improve, so BLM is easy to get behind. They see life as a gift and refuse to understand why some would want to throw out a gift they don't like.

 

[Lunarhour]

White lives matter...

Thank you

 

[IrRegularjoe]

I think the comparison is horrible. Someone was just murdered by cops and its not the first time.
A right to die is not the same as police brutality or racial discrimination.

 

[HadEnough1974]

No, I don't see it that way at all. BLM movement is largely an American movement asking to be treated equally, It's not a hard concept for people to grasp that someone doesn't want to be treated unfairly for the simple fact that they have a darker skin tone. It doesn't cause pain to others to let someone live in peace and be treated like a human being. It's not going against anyone's survival instinct, or something someone might only consider wanting temporarily during a difficult period in their lives.

Wanting a better life is something easy to get behind because how does it negatively affect anyone else?

For some people here, a "better life" might be to be dead because their life is unbearable.

Btw, thank you for your thoughts.

It fits a lot of beliefs and religions to fight for better treatment. I'm black, and I want to be treated fairly, but would also like to the choice in when I die.

Death is seen as punishment for many, so a lot of people can't understand how it may be peaceful or an escape for others. Death is feared and unknown, so it's not something many want to send another person off to especially if it's someone close to them. Many don't understand that someone may be suffering so much that it doesn't matter where they go just as long as they get away from here. Some people only see how the death of others will affect them, that they will be alone, and learn how to grieve and go through life without someone. People see life as something we must endure or fight to improve, so BLM is easy to get behind. They see life as a gift and refuse to understand why some would want to throw out a gift they don't like.

White lives matter...

Thank you

They certainly do too, but for far too long it seems like black lives have been devalued and have not mattered. When I say as a white person that black lives matter, I'm not saying that white lives don't.

Thank you.

A right to die is not the same as police brutality or racial discrimination.

How about the right to dignity? Can you please re read my original post? Perhaps you may have misread.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Very good. You handled that quite well.

Now raise your fist one more time and say...White lives matter.

I'd rather give the nazi salute (I'm joking). Hope you can appreciate some humour.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I criticized your last post on this subject, but I've said more than once tonight I recognize it's satire. I'll go further here and call it politically-focused satire.

This post is political as well.

There is a quote from political feminist theory, "The personal is political." I've seen it restated in other schools of theory, including post-colonial, as, "The body is political."

I could be off, but it seems to me that this is something you're struggling with and trying to work out by expressing it in different ways.

The bodies of Black people are personal and are politicized.

The bodies of people who want to end their own damn lives are politicized, imprisoned, their wills thwarted, and their ostensible mental Ill health is very personal and is politicized.

I would have made a small edit to the OP to try to get across the point, something like:

Some people are dying to live (I can't breathe), while we are struggling to die [I'm not allowed to stop breathing].

Anyhow, as I said, I could be wrong, but it feels to me, based on how I myself work things out, that you feel something very wrong, you feel a connection to it, and you're trying to work it out in a way that has some linearity and makes sense. Maybe folks won't get it while you're in the process, but I think maybe eventually you will.

However, I do think there's reason for caution. BLM is not just a cry, it's a scream. It belongs to Black Americans. When folks appropriate it or try to join with it, it gets watered down, it gets...ripped off. And subjugated, powerless people get ripped off all over the world. Yes, all lives matter. Yes, suicidal lives matter. Yes, the lives of so many matter! But damn, Black folks NEED this. They need to be heard without others who have more privilege or just different issues drowning out their desperate screams. There is no getting pulled over for driving while suicidal, or white, or gay, or autistic, or Asian -- it's driving while Black, or Latino.

Black people and those of them who have fallen and are in danger of falling every minute of every day NEED respect and massive recognition and support.

So I get seeking out an intersection here. I just caution circumspection and really tiptoeing around such a sensitive subject. Like, perhaps consider if someone wanted to ride on the coattails of gay rights. I don't think you're meaning to ride on coattails, I think you're rightfully troubled. And I think it may be at the level of the body, I don't know. It seems like everything is erupting at the level of the body -- vaccines, masks, Autism, race, gender, transgender, sexuality, suicidality, health care, mental health care, etc. And "normies" are becoming the new evil pariahs, which is a diversion. It's the powers who wield the evil. In all of these cases, every body is under political control and invalid power. Freedom, my ass! More like gilded cages for a privileged few. And the gild is wearing the fuck off...and then what? New political power, and we're all fucked again, perhaps even worse. Ask Iranian women how overthrowing the Shah in the 70s, followed by Islamic rule, worked out for them. Ask North Koreans how partitioning and having new leadership worked out for them, though they're so brainwashed, starved, tortured, and threatened, they can't and won't say shit. Ask Cubans how revolution worked out. It. Is. All. So. Fucked. And I think it's only going to get worse.

Damn, I need to end my life. It's just the smartest thing to do. One of these days America is going to fuck up and the Mexicans will lynch me...if I'm lucky.

Rant over.

For now.

 

[Pan]

Very good. You handled that quite well.

Now raise your fist one more time and say...White lives matter.

Exceptional retort, Lunarhour!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Very good. You handled that quite well.

Now raise your fist one more time and say...White lives matter.

Sincerely, I don't hate you, but this is not the first time you've posted something that makes me long for a middle finger react.

Sometimes you say some good shit, but I get the impression you also like to provoke, and for me if outweighs the good shit. So I guess I'll hit ignore and buh-bye, then I won't feel provoked if I don't see the provocation happening. I'll save my energy for scammers and bullying and providing support where it's valued, trolling is already so 2000 and late.

Take care.

 

[Pan]

Mao more than ever!
I don't like to provoke at all, I simply feel that dissenting opinions are necessary. I just hate the trivialization of one man's death to a ctb method. I still maintain it.

 

[Jean Améry]

I think the comparison is horrible. Someone was just murdered by cops and its not the first time.
A right to die is not the same as police brutality or racial discrimination.

I disagree. No comparison can ever be perfect but this one is very apt. The common ground here is individual rights. A right to die implies protection against violent intervention just like a right to be treated equally and without prejudice implies protection against arbitrary intervention in one's personal and public life.

People have died during involuntary commitment (suffocated when they were being restrained) the same as poor mr. Floyd and I consider any violence employed by the police to arrest innocent people (and the suicidal are innocent aslong as they didn't commit any crime before trying to end their lives) to be police brutality.

The suicidal are as much discriminated against as certain etnic minorities. The suicidal are a minority and in a way they're even worse off since other minorities will by and large share the anti-suicide ideology with the majority and support oppression of the suicidal. The difference is that there are widespread protests against racism (rightly so) while no-one will lift a finger to do something about the discrimination based the prejudice that a) suicidal people are by definition crazy (whatever that may mean: psychopathology is not a real science) so their opinions shouldn't be heeded and b) they are not entitled to choose their own destiny.

Racism and branding someone as suicidal/mentally ill are both dehumanizing and lead to a whole host of highly immoral, often illegal and certainly damaging consequences.

 

[Suez]

The right to dignity, the right to not be discriminated against and have your life devalued!

 

[Jean Améry]

White lives matter...

What you wrote is about as foolish as spouting 'German lives matter' in the context of a discussion of the Holocaust/Shoa.

 

[Lunarhour]

...White lives matter.