Religious and suicidal

[Ineedthis]

I know that suicide is a sin, and I still believe in God and love him. I feel like maybe if I piss god off he'll let me die but maybe he'll just punish me with embarrassment or physical pain. I used to pray with tears in my eyes to just fall asleep and never wake up. I've thought about praying for my death not to affect my family to harshly and I think I have at some point but praying just feels weird now knowing I'm probably gonna commit quite the sin pretty soon.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I know that suicide is a sin, and I still believe in God and love him. I feel like maybe if I piss god off he'll let me die but maybe he'll just punish me with embarrassment or physical pain. I used to pray with tears in my eyes to just fall asleep and never wake up. I've thought about praying for my death not to affect my family to harshly and I think I have at some point but praying just feels weird now knowing I'm probably gonna commit quite the sin pretty soon.

When I was religious, I was afraid of hell so i lived on only to end up in hell as an adult. God is sick.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Religions are man made to control the masses through fear. If there was a good god he would not allow all this suffering humans have to endure here in this world already. By forbidding suicide (through punishment in hell) suffering is even increased! That sounds a bit sadistic to me.

Suicide cannot be a sin by itself because it's a human right and death is the final relief from all personal agony and suffering.

 

[Ineedthis]

Is it weird that I still want there to be a god, even if that means I'd be sinning by Killing myself? I feel like I deserve to be punished for my actions and also I want to have some level of existents after I die. I don't want there to be nothing, I want to be somewhere better than earth, even if I have to burn in hell for a bit first.

 

[stillmirenai]

I myself was once religious, but not anymore, because it just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Many non-believers on this forum attribute their disbelief to the fact they consider God to be a sadistic individual. The world was never fair, so why should God be? He seems to pick and choose who he works his divine powers on, and if you're not one of those people blessed with divine protection, tough luck. There's also no way to "influence" God into making him choose you. It's akin to an abusive relationship with a boyfriend or girlfriend, except very hyperbolized. You pray to God and put worship him in hopes that you find some sort of comfort or he grants you some sort of miraculous protection. If you are one of those chosen ones, you'll be euphoric and preach your faith to others, but if you're not, you're left heartbroken and in despair, wondering where you went wrong. It's just a whole lot of trouble I'd rather not involve myself in.

I won't be one to challenge your beliefs or disrespect them, but they're just some things to consider when making the decision to let God influence your decision making, be it moral or otherwise.

 

[Ineedthis]

I just love the idea that everything makes complete sense in some way that I can't even begin to understand now, and everything is actually perfectly sensual and fair, and I'll understand it all after I die. Is it a silly cope? Probably. But it calms me down

 

[ChronicPain23]

just fall asleep and never wake up

My dream

 

[PurpleVoid]

I'm somewhere between agnostic and Christian. I grew up Protestant Christian and fully believed in eternal hell/heaven. It made me physically anxious, and I didn't really stop to consider anything except in the light of "what's the best thing to do right now to avoid hell and save others from experiencing it". For sure, some of those annoying believers who stand on roads with cardboard signs or interrupt Youtube comment sections to yell about repenting are just being judgmental and annoying. But even though I never went that far, I know that some of those people are just experiencing high levels of stress and anxiety from feeling responsible for everyone's salvation. It can drive a person insane.

Later I was a Christian who didn't believe in an eternal hell. Now I'm just existentially lost, floating somewhere in the agnostic zone.

I think of killing myself every night. But it worries me what comes after. Although nonexistence means a lack of suffering, it's also so foreign to my mind. Thinking about a lack of thought causes my brain to short-circuit. But I don't like the other options either. I don't believe in hell, but there's always a possibility that I'll wake up in some hellish reality, whether it's Hell proper or not. That won't fix my problem at all. I don't really think suicide is a sin - but if it is, it's not like it's the only sin we've ever committed. That is, it's not like it can't be forgiven like any other sin. But I don't look forward to the prospect of heaven either. I'd have to explain myself to God or relatives or friends. I'd still have to go on living, for eternity.

 

[SolomonKado]

I know that suicide is a sin, and I still believe in God and love him. I feel like maybe if I piss god off he'll let me die but maybe he'll just punish me with embarrassment or physical pain. I used to pray with tears in my eyes to just fall asleep and never wake up. I've thought about praying for my death not to affect my family to harshly and I think I have at some point but praying just feels weird now knowing I'm probably gonna commit quite the sin pretty soon.

I think The devil has gotten so good at affecting peoples lives that it doesn't take any effort on his part. He can do it in plain sight and make it look like he didn't do anything. He's had a long time to practice.

I have prayed for god to take away all this pain from me on long and heavily teary nights. I also pray for forgiveness for my sins. Lastly I pray for god to forgive me for what I am about to do…. That he lets me come home.

 

[Disappointered]

Even today some religions condone suicide in certain contexts (buddhism and other asian traditions). As for abrahamic religions, they are all open to a lot of interpretation.

I don't know much about ancient religions but I think some of them didn't even view suicide negatively? If someone here knows more on the topic I'd be interested.

I know that being chosen as a human sacrifice used to be considered an honor in some places. I am guessing the selected person didn't suffer mentally and might not even have suffered physically, given the religious nature of the situation.

That's different from just deciding you want to end your life but there might have even been ancient societies that condoned suicide for much broader reasons than sacrifice.

And really, wouldn't unwanted failures only be valuable as human sacrifices? People would get some frustrations out of their system by knowing a burden ended their "gift of life" (lol). Maybe the ancients had the right idea.

 

[KowakuNaiNeko]

I doubt your priest will give you penance for this so if you want one
Find two struggling youths in your community or parish and give them constructive advice on how to solve their problems
You'll have to front load your penance before your sin probably though

I'm sure that most religions' gods will forgive anything as long as you always put forth a good effort.

 

[dialogos]

Many Pastors believe suicide is a sin but you won't lose your salvation because of it.
Its biblical and YouTube has plenty of similar messages.

 

[Ineedthis]

Many Pastors believe suicide is a sin but you won't lose your salvation because of it.
Its biblical and YouTube has plenty of similar messages.

I watched the full video, and it's quite interesting to me. I wonder what the verdict on the matter is in Jewish law..

 

[Death is my goal]

Religions are man made to control the masses through fear.

you don't know that nor you can prove it

 

[Ineedthis]

you don't know that nor you can prove it

I don't agree with what he said but I find it fun hearing all these different opinions. A little "imo" at the end of his message would definitely have made it better tho for sure

 

[Touhou]

IMO, Islam is the only religion I explicitly hold prejudice against. Islam is a bigoted, problematic religion & I don't understand why being an "islamophobe" is supposed to make you a bigot, when they themselves are the ones advocating for LGBTQIA+ people to be put to death/sentenced to prison & who also publically hung someone who supposedly burnt a Quran. The religion itself is one fraught with bigotry, homophobia, etc.

 

[Ineedthis]

IMO, Islam is the only religion I explicitly hold prejudice against. Islam is a bigoted, problematic religion & I don't understand why being an "islamophobe" is supposed to make you a bigot, when they themselves are the ones advocating for LGBTQIA+ people to be put to death/sentenced to prison & who also publically hung someone who supposedly burnt a Quran. The religion itself is one fraught with bigotry, homophobia, etc.

Yeah, I heard about this one town where they actually made hanging up pride flags illegal. And apparently they had a bunch of teens yelling "kill the fags" at the polls. I find it very unfortunate that pretty much all religions view gay sex as immoral. Though one thing that makes me feel a bit better about Judaism is that anal straight sec and any sexual activity that wastes sperm is immoral, and also it's only gay marriage and sexual activity that's considered immoral. Maybe that's just my cope tho. I think religion has many degrees of strictness and some Islams might be more tolerant. A big majority of them are definitely very homophobic tho, I agree.

 

[dialogos]

I think The devil has gotten so good at affecting peoples lives that it doesn't take any effort on his part. He can do it in plain sight and make it look like he didn't do anything. He's had a long time to practice.

I have prayed for god to take away all this pain from me on long and heavily teary nights. I also pray for forgiveness for my sins. Lastly I pray for god to forgive me for what I am about to do…. That he lets me come home.

Please watch to the end, it starts out how suicide is a sin but he also emphasizes from
The bible that no sin separates us from God.
Pls remember though I'm not encouraging you to ctb.

 

[dyingslowly]

I know that suicide is a sin, and I still believe in God and love him. I feel like maybe if I piss god off he'll let me die but maybe he'll just punish me with embarrassment or physical pain. I used to pray with tears in my eyes to just fall asleep and never wake up. I've thought about praying for my death not to affect my family to harshly and I think I have at some point but praying just feels weird now knowing I'm probably gonna commit quite the sin pretty soon.

I am religious too, can I pm you? if you allow me that, would like to talk about our situation. I also contemplate with this thought.

 

[Ineedthis]

I am religious too, can I pm you? if you allow me that, would like to talk about our situation. I also contemplate with this thought.

Yeah sure. I'm about to go to bed but I'm totally in to chat tomorrow.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

you don't know that nor you can prove it

Right, it's my opinion. But I'd say we can agree that certain religions have elements that should make believers fearful for certain things. You can't prove your believes regarding religions either.

I don't agree with what he said but I find it fun hearing all these different opinions. A little "imo" at the end of his message would definitely have made it better tho for sure

Yes, I should have added "imo / in my opinion".

 

[Peerless_Cucumber]

Have you read the book "Conversations with God"? If not I'd advise you to check it out.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Have you read the book "Conversations with God"? If not I'd advise you to check it out.

I think I know it (some parts of it, Walsch is the name of the author I guess) and loooong ago I listened to some parts of it. I doubt it helped me otherwise I wouldn't be here ^^

 

[Peerless_Cucumber]

I think I know it (some parts of it, Walsch is the name of the author I guess) and loooong ago I listened to some parts of it. I doubt it helped me otherwise I wouldn't be here ^^

I'm here as well and I read it. I just thought it might be helpful to combat anyones fear of going to hell after catching the bus.

 

[Ineedthis]

Have you read the book "Conversations with God"? If not I'd advise you to check it out.

I'll definitely check it out

 

[Disappointered]

IMO, Islam is the only religion I explicitly hold prejudice against. Islam is a bigoted, problematic religion & I don't understand why being an "islamophobe" is supposed to make you a bigot, when they themselves are the ones advocating for LGBTQIA+ people to be put to death/sentenced to prison & who also publically hung someone who supposedly burnt a Quran. The religion itself is one fraught with bigotry, homophobia, etc.

And the very worst are funded if not actually manufactured by the people most would never expect, who they think are their friends. That's a lesson most people are going learn the hard way.
I think all the despised weaklings and losers among the suicidal would have been better off in an ancient society that practiced human sacrifice. The state of mind they'd be in during the process of having their lives physically ended would probably ensure that they didn't experience it as suffering. What a great situation that would be. Instead, nowadays we pretend we don't practice human sacrifice and just treat some people badly enough that they're driven to a messy, unpleasant suicide. Imagine if we were all raised within a culture that celebrated suicide as though it was a special honor. Sure, it would take a lot of socialization since there are evolutionary reasons for SI in addition to cultural barriers but given the amount of mind control we're all subjected to I'm sure we can get there. Too bad I'll have already had to live a horrific existence. bc it's all about me. bc i'm a bad person? then...I ought to kill myself, right? suicide is the most human response to existence. it should be promoted as the best thing one can do with one's life.

 

[John Ryder]

IMO, Islam is the only religion I explicitly hold prejudice against. Islam is a bigoted, problematic religion & I don't understand why being an "islamophobe" is supposed to make you a bigot, when they themselves are the ones advocating for LGBTQIA+ people to be put to death/sentenced to prison & who also publically hung someone who supposedly burnt a Quran. The religion itself is one fraught with bigotry, homophobia, etc.

Why wouldn't you condemn Christianity in the same way? It isn't rife with bigotry and homophobia? Mass shootings in the name of the Christian God? "God hates f*gs" signs wielded with great fervor by fundie nutjobs? Please. Islam doesn't have that market cornered. Going by the most fanatical adherents and a purist interpretation of scripture doesn't tell the whole story. The bible in undiluted form flagrantly condemns homosexuality. Alternate modern interpretations that skew more inclusive are prevalent. It isn't about the merits of one interpretation over the other. It's that just as many who identify as Christian aren't unhinged trigger-happy homophobes who find creative ways to rationalize a bunker of automatic weapons as "His Will", not every practicing Muslim is tossing gay people from rooftops. It's a religion with a tremendous amount of peaceful, tolerant adherents who have no interest in suicide bombing the "enemies of Muhammad" or whatever. The reasonable ones aren't the ones making the news. The bible, old testament especially, is full of wild shit. Excluding the diseased and deformed from worship activities, because they're inherently unworthy of God see, is repeatedly "encouraged" (commanded). Just one of countless gems. Condemning Islam exclusively, whether that includes practitioners or just the tenants on their own merits, is weirdly selective to say the least.

 

[Touhou]

Straw man - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why wouldn't you condemn Christianity in the same way? It isn't rife with bigotry and homophobia? Mass shootings in the name of the Christian God? "God hates f*gs" signs wielded with great fervor by fundie nutjobs? Please. Islam doesn't have that market cornered. Going by the most fanatical adherents and a purist interpretation of scripture doesn't tell the whole story. The bible in undiluted form flagrantly condemns homosexuality. Alternate modern interpretations that skew more inclusive are prevalent. It isn't about the merits of one interpretation over the other. It's that just as many who identify as Christian aren't unhinged trigger-happy homophobes who find creative ways to rationalize a bunker of automatic weapons as "His Will", not every practicing Muslim is tossing gay people from rooftops. It's a religion with a tremendous amount of peaceful, tolerant adherents who have no interest in suicide bombing the "enemies of Muhammad" or whatever. The reasonable ones aren't the ones making the news. The bible, old testament especially, is full of wild shit. Excluding the diseased and deformed from worship activities, because they're inherently unworthy of God see, is repeatedly "encouraged" (commanded). Just one of countless gems. Condemning Islam exclusively, whether that includes practitioners or just the tenants on their own merits, is weirdly selective to say the least.

 

[John Ryder]

Straw man - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, that's not a straw man.

 

[Ineedthis]

Why wouldn't you condemn Christianity in the same way? It isn't rife with bigotry and homophobia? Mass shootings in the name of the Christian God? "God hates f*gs" signs wielded with great fervor by fundie nutjobs? Please. Islam doesn't have that market cornered. Going by the most fanatical adherents and a purist interpretation of scripture doesn't tell the whole story. The bible in undiluted form flagrantly condemns homosexuality. Alternate modern interpretations that skew more inclusive are prevalent. It isn't about the merits of one interpretation over the other. It's that just as many who identify as Christian aren't unhinged trigger-happy homophobes who find creative ways to rationalize a bunker of automatic weapons as "His Will", not every practicing Muslim is tossing gay people from rooftops. It's a religion with a tremendous amount of peaceful, tolerant adherents who have no interest in suicide bombing the "enemies of Muhammad" or whatever. The reasonable ones aren't the ones making the news. The bible, old testament especially, is full of wild shit. Excluding the diseased and deformed from worship activities, because they're inherently unworthy of God see, is repeatedly "encouraged" (commanded). Just one of countless gems. Condemning Islam exclusively, whether that includes practitioners or just the tenants on their own merits, is weirdly selective to say the least.

You got a point there for sure. Religiousness is very much a spectrum, just like most traits of a person. Building on that, extremely religious Jews are also quite judgmental, homophobic, and prejudice in pretty much every other way. Pretty much any religion or even belief is bad in it's extreme.