a_dead_mess
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- Aug 8, 2022
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** The following piece of text is only my thoughts about life and reality based on my research of religion. I don't claim for it to be true or the absolute understanding of reality. I'll hopefully update this when I have a bigger picture. any objections, thoughts, or doubts are encouraged and highly appreciated. **
hey guys, I hope everyone is doing well and coping with the miserable existence we live in. 6 weeks ago, I went into a downward spiral of questioning things around me, especially suffering and evil after a close friend of mine ctb a few months ago. I went through a very hard time, I stopped eating or ate very small amounts of food, I stopped going to the gym and cut ties with my friend there, I didn't hang out a lot and I stopped doing the things I loved. what made matters worse was that I used to be a very religious person so I thought turning into religion was the answer.
(if you are wondering, I come from a monotheistic background, Islam).
I didn't question things much at first, I just tried to pray that things get better and, spoiler alert, that didn't do anything.
I believe that after a while of living in constant agony is when I first started questioning the existence of god and even if he does, how can a just, merciful god allow for all this suffering to happen and not step in and change things? I was always told that god is more merciful towards us than a mother is towards her children and I'm pretty damn sure that my mother wouldn't let me suffer and even if that was the case, she would try to step in and help. I believed there was a god, only that he was having fun with the universe and our suffering. my reason for god's existence was that I believed we knew very little about how life came to be to assert any explanation besides god.
and so my journey began of trying to understand god's logic began. I figured that if I could get the idea of god out of my mind then at least atheism grants me peace after death so I just had it as a last resort. there would be no harm in being an Athiest because I'll finally be able to overcome my agnosticism towards god and have no fear of what's to come.
let me state religion's claims before first:
this argument has a lot of extensions that I can add like "why would god create this world where there will be suffering just so we can worship him" (it's the same argument but with an emotional tone).
the conclusion I've reached is as follows:
that pretty much sums up the responses I've accumulated over the past 2 months and I left out the ones that don't make sense to me as this is a very long post already.
thank you very much for reading and I'd appreciate any objections or questions that get raised.
(I'd like to hear @Un-'s thoughts btw)
hey guys, I hope everyone is doing well and coping with the miserable existence we live in. 6 weeks ago, I went into a downward spiral of questioning things around me, especially suffering and evil after a close friend of mine ctb a few months ago. I went through a very hard time, I stopped eating or ate very small amounts of food, I stopped going to the gym and cut ties with my friend there, I didn't hang out a lot and I stopped doing the things I loved. what made matters worse was that I used to be a very religious person so I thought turning into religion was the answer.
(if you are wondering, I come from a monotheistic background, Islam).
I didn't question things much at first, I just tried to pray that things get better and, spoiler alert, that didn't do anything.
I believe that after a while of living in constant agony is when I first started questioning the existence of god and even if he does, how can a just, merciful god allow for all this suffering to happen and not step in and change things? I was always told that god is more merciful towards us than a mother is towards her children and I'm pretty damn sure that my mother wouldn't let me suffer and even if that was the case, she would try to step in and help. I believed there was a god, only that he was having fun with the universe and our suffering. my reason for god's existence was that I believed we knew very little about how life came to be to assert any explanation besides god.
and so my journey began of trying to understand god's logic began. I figured that if I could get the idea of god out of my mind then at least atheism grants me peace after death so I just had it as a last resort. there would be no harm in being an Athiest because I'll finally be able to overcome my agnosticism towards god and have no fear of what's to come.
let me state religion's claims before first:
- Religion claims that we are all servants of god
- God created the world for us (his servants)
- thus, our purpose in life is to worship god in this world
- if we are servants of god as point 1 claims and our purpose is to worship him
- why doesn't he just make us angels and forcefully worship him?
this argument has a lot of extensions that I can add like "why would god create this world where there will be suffering just so we can worship him" (it's the same argument but with an emotional tone).
the conclusion I've reached is as follows:
- human beings, unlike other creatures of god, chose to have the test of life and not forcefully submit to god's will
- if a person doesn't end up knowing who god is or doesn't get the full message of Islam wouldn't be thrown into hell because the message never really reached him in the first place.
- God says that in this world, everyone is tested with things that he can live through and endure. if there is something that's out of his reach then he wouldn't be asked why he didn't pass/go through it.
- God also states that he'll maintain the flow of life until he decides for it to end.
- what makes us superior to other servants of god is that if we chose to accept the reality of our existence, we will get into a world where we are basically some forms of gods ourselves. Heaven
that pretty much sums up the responses I've accumulated over the past 2 months and I left out the ones that don't make sense to me as this is a very long post already.
thank you very much for reading and I'd appreciate any objections or questions that get raised.
(I'd like to hear @Un-'s thoughts btw)